RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

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Pixy Misa said:
Yeah, that one it's pretty bad.

As for the others, I know I'm on the minority here, but not a fan of Blake's and Weiss redesigns either, the later looks, as someone said, like a bootleg version of Artoria from Fate. Specifically, I'm not a fan of the braided ponytail versus the flowy hair, But we'll see. Hopefully, they will grow on me.
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Honestly I think ALL the new designs are completely awful. Some are just worst than others. Weiss especially has a painfully bad design. But all the Volume 7 redesigns are trash and somehow manage to be even worse than the Volume 4 redesigns
 
I maintain that if one's rebooting RWBY one should consider condensing much of the plot.

Like for example, the reboot should consider either keeping focus on the gods, Cinder, Salem, Ozpin, and the Relics/Maidens or canning them all and keeping focus on the White Fang, Roman, Adam, Sienna Khan, the SDC, etc.

Part of what makes RWBY bad is that it has too much in it with too little talent to make it all work. You can tell Monty just threw in whatever he wanted from his hobbies (shonen animu, JRPGs) regardless of figuring out how to fit them all together. It might have been okay if the show was just a pastiche of them and stayed that way, but it's not. They actually have been trying to give a plot that's serious. And it's a mess.
 
Sayon said:
I maintain that if one's rebooting RWBY one should consider condensing much of the plot.

Like for example, the reboot should consider either keeping focus on the gods, Cinder, Salem, Ozpin, and the Relics/Maidens or canning them all and keeping focus on the White Fang, Roman, Adam, Sienna Khan, the SDC, etc.

Part of what makes RWBY bad is that it has too much in it with too little talent to make it all work. You can tell Monty just threw in whatever he wanted from his hobbies (shonen animu, JRPGs) regardless of figuring out how to fit them all together. It might have been okay if the show was just a pastiche of them and stayed that way, but it's not. They actually have been trying to give a plot that's serious. And it's a mess.
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Yeah if you're rewriting the show it requires a LOT of work to make the show functional. The first couple seasons are generally fine but they could use a touch up here and there to help with the overall story. It's when the Maiden garbage comes in that the show starts to get convoluted and then things just get worse from there. You'd have to go back to nearly the beginning to write out a good story, if not start from scratch. I imagine it would take a good deal of time to come up with a new story and to plan it all out. Cause the fact that Miles has no real documents or notes for RWBY and relies on his shoddy memory is a major factor in the show going to crap. Well along with the fact that neither he nor Kerry are capable of writing a serious story if their lives depended on it.
 
Roland Daggett said:
Cause the fact that Miles has no real documents or notes for RWBY and relies on his shoddy memory is a major factor in the show going to crap.
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It's been said that Monty had plans for 10 volumes or so, or at least plans for Team RWBY into adulthood, and commentary have said that there's been stuff that's been planned from Day 1, but nothing material of a "plan" has ever surfaced, assuming creators actually write down that kind of shit.
 
Random Internet Person said:
It's been said that Monty had plans for 10 volumes or so, or at least plans for Team RWBY into adulthood, and commentary have said that there's been stuff that's been planned from Day 1, but nothing material of a "plan" has ever surfaced, assuming creators actually write down that kind of shit.
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I absolutely do not believe that Monty had actually planned up to Volume 10. That's something I hear repeated over and over by the fandom but considering how Monty was kind of famous for how he would change things or throw things in I do not believe he ever planned out an outline for the show. I believe he had ideas for stuff that could happen later but nothing concrete. And no one has ever shown these plans so X to doubt. A good writer will put together an outline for a story that they expect to go for a while so that they at the very least know where the story is going, but I don't think anyone on the RWBY writing team did anything close to that. Stuff like that doesn't really affect things at first but the longer a show goes without any plans the more incoherent it becomes. You'd have to be an absolutely god tier creator like Akira Toriyama to manage to fly by the seat of your pants for years with little to no planning. I absolutely do not recommend that to any writer, especially people like Miles and Kerry.

And even if Monty did happen to have concrete plans for the show and wrote it all down it's pretty clear that Miles threw anything out the second he got full control of the show. You can tell with how things like Yang meeting Raven were thrown out and how Monty fought to get that scene in that Miles didn't care what Monty wanted. Shoot that was never brought up again despite being the first time we got to properly see Raven. Even when Yang talks about Raven with Qrow in Volume 3 that scene goes completely unmentioned. And even if it was a dream (which I don't buy into) then why is it completely ignored? Miles wanted to make RWBY his show. The drastic shift in how the show was written when Monty was gone really does show that Miles did his own thing, and it didn't work at all. And frankly he's just too arrogant to ever admit he's not a good writer or that he's out of his depth.
 
Roland Daggett said:
I absolutely do not believe that Monty had actually planned up to Volume 10. That's something I hear repeated over and over by the fandom but considering how Monty was kind of famous for how he would change things or throw things in I do not believe he ever planned out an outline for the show. I believe he had ideas for stuff that could happen later but nothing concrete. And no one has ever shown these plans so X to doubt. A good writer will put together an outline for a story that they expect to go for a while so that they at the very least know where the story is going, but I don't think anyone on the RWBY writing team did anything close to that. Stuff like that doesn't really affect things at first but the longer a show goes without any plans the more incoherent it becomes. You'd have to be an absolutely god tier creator like Akira Toriyama to manage to fly by the seat of your pants for years with little to no planning. I absolutely do not recommend that to any writer, especially people like Miles and Kerry.

And even if Monty did happen to have concrete plans for the show and wrote it all down it's pretty clear that Miles threw anything out the second he got full control of the show. You can tell with how things like Yang meeting Raven were thrown out and how Monty fought to get that scene in that Miles didn't care what Monty wanted. Shoot that was never brought up again despite being the first time we got to properly see Raven. Even when Yang talks about Raven with Qrow in Volume 3 that scene goes completely unmentioned. And even if it was a dream (which I don't buy into) then why is it completely ignored? Miles wanted to make RWBY his show. The drastic shift in how the show was written when Monty was gone really does show that Miles did his own thing, and it didn't work at all. And frankly he's just too arrogant to ever admit he's not a good writer or that he's out of his depth.
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FMA is an excellent example of how to do this. when planning the series The creator started from the beginning and worked her way back.
 
The problem with trying to fix RWBY is that it's an inherently flawed concept from the beginning, even in its very tone.

It's a show about color coded teens who fight a bunch of monsters who rarely do anything unless the plot requires them to and thus serve as no real threat, who go on super srs guys tirades and yet have a dog destroying a giant robot to incredibly corny lyrics. Either you accept the premise is incredibly fucking silly and run with it or you cut away a ton of shit to actually make it actually serious, you can't have it both ways.
 
I diiid point out that Monty just threw in whatever he thought was neat without working on them to make them fit together. You can even say the show carries baggage from early plot bits he hinted early on like Ozpin not being as nice as he seemed that they failed to make work.
 
Tism the Return said:
The problem with trying to fix RWBY is that it's an inherently flawed concept from the beginning, even in its very tone.

It's a show about color coded teens who fight a bunch of monsters who rarely do anything unless the plot requires them to and thus serve as no real threat, who go on super srs guys tirades and yet have a dog destroying a giant robot to incredibly corny lyrics. Either you accept the premise is incredibly fucking silly and run with it or you cut away a ton of shit to actually make it actually serious, you can't have it both ways.
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I dunno, I mean you have basically described your average magical girl/ Saturday morning cartoon right there. Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean of it trying to be super serious and then extremely goofy, but that's IMHO due to them trying to emulate anime badly.

Well written Anime, in general, uses silly moments as a breather between the serious moments, and that's something RWBY didn't seem to get.

The premise of a group of teenage girls fighting evil has been printing money since forever. The execution, that is the writing, is what's kills all it's potential.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
I dunno, I mean you have basically described your average magical girl/ Saturday morning cartoon right there. Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean of it trying to be super serious and then extremely goofy, but that's IMHO due to them trying to emulate badly.

Wel written Anime, in general, uses silly moments as a breather between the serious moments, and that's something RWBY didn't seem to get.

The premise of 4 a group of teenage girls fighting evil has been printing movie since forever. The execution, that is the writing, is what's kills all it's potential.
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At least they aren't doing the modern blockbuster approach to humor
 
Tism the Return said:
The problem with trying to fix RWBY is that it's an inherently flawed concept from the beginning, even in its very tone.
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I disagree. I think that the concept of RWBY and many of its ideas are pretty solid, but are sabotaged by shit execution to the point that it becomes almost frustrating. As a matter of fact, the only reason that prevents me from shitting so much on the fandom is that for all their many faults, its equally autistic but less deranged part produces way better results than Miles and Kerry when you see some of the (AU) fan works, proving - at least to me - that there is no such way as a bad concept, but only a bad execution.

Tism the Return said:
It's a show about color coded teens who fight a bunch of monsters who rarely do anything unless the plot requires them to and thus serve as no real threat, who go on super srs guys tirades and yet have a dog destroying a giant robot to incredibly corny lyrics. Either you accept the premise is incredibly fucking silly and run with it or you cut away a ton of shit to actually make it actually serious, you can't have it both ways.
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If done right, you can combine both super cereal and somber action with comedy and still get fantastic results like you see in (older) Jackie Chan movies.
 
Sayon said:
I maintain that if one's rebooting RWBY one should consider condensing much of the plot.
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And there needs to be at least one instance of on-screen scissoring in each episode. Honestly they could just start doing that in the current iteration and the show would be saved.
 
heyilikeyourmom said:
And there needs to be at least one instance of on-screen scissoring in each episode. Honestly they could just start doing that in the current iteration and the show would be saved.
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heyilikeyourmom said:
Right, the heroines should always be either fighting or banging each other. Rooster Teeth would be millionaires.
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>Ruby, Weiss, Blake and Yang are chad alpha dykes getting all the pussy in Remnant
>the other half of the show is action, violence and gore
A fairy tale themed Murciélago as a web series. I'd watch it. Unironically.
 
Pixy Misa said:
I dunno, I mean you have basically described your average magical girl/ Saturday morning cartoon right there. Don't get me wrong, I know what you mean of it trying to be super serious and then extremely goofy, but that's IMHO due to them trying to emulate anime badly.

Well written Anime, in general, uses silly moments as a breather between the serious moments, and that's something RWBY didn't seem to get.

The premise of a group of teenage girls fighting evil has been printing money since forever. The execution, that is the writing, is what's kills all it's potential.
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I think the key difference there is that sure, cartoons for children are silly and have insane plots like most mecha aimed at children do. Most of said cartoons however don't have a fandom of autists considering it the grimdark equivalent of Warhammer 40k nor have the writers sort of pretend it is either. RWBY would like you to believe that it handles comedy and seriousness like every other shounen there is, but if anything it's closer to something like Trigun which gets shit on for the out of place comedy.
 
Tism the Return said:
I think the key difference there is that sure, cartoons for children are silly and have insane plots like most mecha aimed at children do. Most of said cartoons however don't have a fandom of autists considering it the grimdark equivalent of Warhammer 40k nor have the writers sort of pretend it is either. RWBY would like you to believe that it handles comedy and seriousness like every other shounen there is, but if anything it's closer to something like Trigun which gets shit on for the out of place comedy.
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Isn’t Trigun said to be one of the gems of the 90s like Cowboy Bebop?
 
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