RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

My brain is going to explode from the sheer stupidity. Of course Adam was the Beast. That's why he's called Adam and has the horns. Blake was Belle, that's why her last name is Belladonna. This is all literally as obvious as it can be, but of course RT will literally change any bit of canon at the drop of a hat to pander. I'm tired of these VAs having so much influence over this cause that just wrecks the tiny bit of consistency the show has left. Oh wait, there it goes. There's no consistency left.

It does not help that the good chunk of the VAs in RWBY hold positions of power within Rooster Teeth (Miles, Barbara, and Burnie, to name a few).

 

[First Aid Kit]

My brain is going to explode from the sheer stupidity. Of course Adam was the Beast. That's why he's called Adam and has the horns. Blake was Belle, that's why her last name is Belladonna. This is all literally as obvious as it can be, but of course RT will literally change any bit of canon at the drop of a hat to pander. I'm tired of these VAs having so much influence over this cause that just wrecks the tiny bit of consistency the show has left. Oh wait, there it goes. There's no consistency left.

If anything, it shows that they don't have anything as solid lore background, world building and story direction. They just takes any kind of feedback from people they consider as friends, then make it so. Or they just don't really care that much, it's easier to write on what idea of fanbase loves. With those combine with "we think it's cool, so we do it. Who cares about consistency".

With recent RWBY dc comics, a few people have talked about it being conflicted with the show. Even though, it supposed to be canon. To be fair, they charge like $0.99 for each issue, so it's 100% they don't give a shit. I can't find Kerry Crawshaw interview about the comics anywhere beside this tweet below, where he talks about "letting everyone have freedom to write as they like".

Vexed Viewer on Twitter

“They approved everything in the DC comic?! I have no words. https://t.co/DhrCV9S5kw”

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Also, if you are interested enough, I believe you can read dc comics version for free somewhere on the internet, either for "fun" or "sadness". Depends on how much you remember from the show previous volumes, you may find some contradiction in the comics.

 

[Roland Daggett]

With recent RWBY dc comics, a few people have talked about it being conflicted with the show. Even though, it supposed to be canon. To be fair, they charge like $0.99 for each issue, so it's 100% they don't give a shit. I can't find Kerry Crawshaw interview about the comics anywhere beside this tweet below, where he talks about "letting everyone have freedom to write as they like".

I believe Adel Aka showed that part of the interview in one of his videos on the RWBY comics. I've been watching them and yikes they absolutely contradict the canon of the show in extremely obvious ways, like Ruby not running out to go on her 6-8 month camping trip when she bolted and left a note in the show, and Yang apparently getting over her issues of losing her arm before the story of Vol 4 takes place.... where she has to learn to get over losing her arm. But yeah Kerry gave his blessing to the comics because he's an idiot who doesn't know how writing works. They don't care about how the show is written they just want praise and attention. Miles and Kerry have no love for writing as a craft and it's so painful to me that they're the ones in charge.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

So i've lost track: how many times has rwby contradicted its own canon?

 

[Sayon]

Eh, Bumblebee is more believable than Korrasami.

As for Adam, last time I checked he wasn't supposed to be Blake's violent ex. He was supposed to be her mentor. After all, there was a scene way back where he talks about her desertion with some of his goons and instead of flipping out about it he more or less says to leave her be. Hinting that he's accepted she's gone from the WF.

Also, I'll throw in that Oscar should've never been introduced to the series. He comes off as a retread of Jaune as the newbie rural/farmboy who's a "normal" boy. If they needed Ozpin to do his body-swapping then they should've had it happen to Jaune.

In the Weeb Wars thread I once briefly mentioned how Blake is a wasted character

One of the problems with Blake is that the early seasons' backstory for her and the White Fang are at odds with later information. From how she tells it, the White Fang had only turned to ultraviolence under Adam within a mere few years ago. And she was able to walk around Ozpin's school with no worry of getting outed as a terrorist. Later info tells us that the White Fang already turned to ultraviolence when Adam was rising through the ranks and Blake is more or less a faunus princess born to two bigshot members of the WF.

but dear God did they shit the bed with Adam! I do understand that it is beyond the proven limited mental capabilities of Miles to make Adam for example the Faunus equivalent of Taras Bulba, but degrading his character into an angry and jealous incel for the sake of Bumblebee fanservice is just the writers giving up in my opinion. The only redeemable thing is that the potential incel/bottom text Adam memes have possibilities for a lot of lols though.

They couldn't reconcile how Monty established Adam as a villain with him as one belonging to an "oppressed group." Adam was obviously supposed to be RWBY's version of Malcolm X or Cathal Bruga for its Black Panthers/Irish Republican Army. They didn't want to flat-out say Adam's actions as a villain were "good", but couldn't condemn outright for what he was doing. So they went with the abusive boyfriend angle.

Not helping is how the show struggled to really show the "Humans Abuse Faunus" angle. We hardly see signs of segregation or concentration camps or anything that'd make Adam's apparent following believeable. They might've tried to address this in recent lore like Ilia's (who's ultimately just an Adam rehash but a girl) past or those cages in Ozpin's backstory but they're too little too late (and make Ilia sound like a school shooter telling her manifesto).

 

[Random Internet Person]

I believe Adel Aka showed that part of the interview in one of his videos on the RWBY comics. I've been watching them and yikes they absolutely contradict the canon of the show in extremely obvious ways, like Ruby not running out to go on her 6-8 month camping trip when she bolted and left a note in the show, and Yang apparently getting over her issues of losing her arm before the story of Vol 4 takes place.... where she has to learn to get over losing her arm. But yeah Kerry gave his blessing to the comics because he's an idiot who doesn't know how writing works. They don't care about how the show is written they just want praise and attention. Miles and Kerry have no love for writing as a craft and it's so painful to me that they're the ones in charge.

About Yang’s issue, from what I read, I think it was more of Yang taking the first steps to not moping around all the time after losing her arm. And then there’s the talk of whether or not they handled Yang’s PTSD well.

So i've lost track: how many times has rwby contradicted its own canon?

A lot.

 

[Roland Daggett]

About Yang’s issue, from what I read, I think it was more of Yang taking the first steps to not moping around all the time after losing her arm. And then there’s the talk of whether or not they handled Yang’s PTSD well.

The problem is that Volume 4 starts with Yang moping around all the time and Taiyang having to push her to do anything, so the comic means nothing at all. As for Yang's entire arc, it's a complete waste of potential. While I hate the fact that she lost her arm so Miles could be an edgy boi if they're going to go this route at least DO SOMETHING. Show Yang going to therapy, show her helping out at Signal but struggling with just having one arm, show Yang having to decide to go through with surgery that lets her use a robotic arm and the physical therapy that comes with that. Fullmetal Alchemist deals with this infinitely better and even with a template for having a protagonist who lost an arm and got a robotic replacement Miles and Kerry still screwed it up.

And let her have her personality because Yang's personality was just gone in Volume 4. And if they want to touch on the touchy subject of PTSD then they better put the work into showing it instead of her having a nightmare or two and then when she fights Adam it barely means anything. It was also a terrible idea to isolate Yang (and split up team RWBY in general but that's a different topic) because Yang has next to no one to actually interact with outside of Taiyang, and for some baffling reason Miles decided to have Yang's arc be about Taiyang chastising her for using her Semblance cause it's not fair or whatever instead of just trying to physically and mentally recover. And the lack of talk about Summer really hurts Yang's character.

 

[Garm]

As for Adam, last time I checked he wasn't supposed to be Blake's violent ex. He was supposed to be her mentor. After all, there was a scene way back where he talks about her desertion with some of his goons and instead of flipping out about it he more or less says to leave her be. Hinting that he's accepted she's gone from the WF.

One of the problems with Blake is that the early seasons' backstory for her and the White Fang are at odds with later information. From how she tells it, the White Fang had only turned to ultraviolence under Adam within a mere few years ago. And she was able to walk around Ozpin's school with no worry of getting outed as a terrorist. Later info tells us that the White Fang already turned to ultraviolence when Adam was rising through the ranks and Blake is more or less a faunus princess born to two bigshot members of the WF.



They couldn't reconcile how Monty established Adam as a villain with him as one belonging to an "oppressed group." Adam was obviously supposed to be RWBY's version of Malcolm X or Cathal Bruga for its Black Panthers/Irish Republican Army. They didn't want to flat-out say Adam's actions as a villain were "good", but couldn't condemn outright for what he was doing. So they went with the abusive boyfriend angle.

Not helping is how the show struggled to really show the "Humans Abuse Faunus" angle. We hardly see signs of segregation or concentration camps or anything that'd make Adam's apparent following believeable. They might've tried to address this in recent lore like Ilia's (who's ultimately just an Adam rehash but a girl) past or those cages in Ozpin's backstory but they're too little too late (and make Ilia sound like a school shooter telling her manifesto).

I think Adam let Blake run because he didn't want to show weakness in front of the White Fang. He seemed to be boss through intimidation and manipulation. Revealing Blake as a weak spot would lessen that.


Most of the organizations in RWBY don't seem "centralized". Printed communication has never been reliable apparently. The White Fang probably operates as "cells." So Adams cell (based in Mistral in seems) grew more extreme with him as leader. Sienna Khan was overall leader which advocated "violence in self defence." Adam could get away with what he was doing because he would claim "they shot first."

Blake could hide in Vale becaue odds are Mistral and Atlas didn't share a wanted picture. Even if they did Torchwick had the cops overwhelmed. Where did Ozpin talk to Blake in V2 though? It doesn't seem she was arrested but still debriefed.

The S.D.C. brand on Adams face in V6 was probably supposed to show that he had valid reasons for being as extreme as he was.

d for some baffling reason Miles decided to have Yang's arc be about Taiyang chastising her for using her Semblance cause it's not fair or whatever instead of just trying to physically and mentally recover.

The talk about Yang semblance was about her semblance being a hammer so every problem was a nail. Yang lost to Neo because Neo could run circles around Yang. Then Yang lost to Adam because she charged in with her semblance instead of thinking.

I think living on Remnant makes people stoic by nature and Yang had a more resilient personality to begin with.

 

[Polyboros2]

Blake's Dad is Beast. This isn't Fables where is an adaptation of fairy tales, they're just allusions.

 

[XtrmGamr719]

Blake's Dad is Beast. This isn't Fables where is an adaptation of fairy tales, they're just allusions.

The best thing to come out of Volume 4 is that a main character has wholesome parents that’re hot. now I wish that Ghira could fuck his wife, he don’t deserve to be cucked

 

[Random Internet Person]

Blake's Dad is Beast. This isn't Fables where is an adaptation of fairy tales, they're just allusions.

Makes as much sense as any other listing as Beast.

The best thing to come out of Volume 4 is that a main character has wholesome parents that’re hot. now I wish that Ghira could fuck his wife, he don’t deserve to be cucked

Menagerie was a mistake. Let's also remember that Kali and Ghira are the only parents who are not only both alive, but are both actually great parents. Way to go, Miles and Kerry. Way to freaking go.

 

[madethistocomment]

My brain is going to explode from the sheer stupidity. Of course Adam was the Beast. That's why he's called Adam and has the horns. Blake was Belle, that's why her last name is Belladonna. This is all literally as obvious as it can be, but of course RT will literally change any bit of canon at the drop of a hat to pander. I'm tired of these VAs having so much influence over this cause that just wrecks the tiny bit of consistency the show has left. Oh wait, there it goes. There's no consistency left.

Nevermind that his name is literally Adam and that his symbol is a wilting rose, one of the main motifs associated with the Beast- nah, we gotta retcon him into Gaston and throw out what could have been a really interesting morally grey character and turn him into a screaming abusive incel to pander to the part of the fandom that's so toxic it makes the goddamn Elephant's Foot jealous!

I'm still frustrated over how hard they shat the bed with him, man. He was one of my favorite characters and post V3 they just butchered him.

 

[Polyboros2]

I'm not convinced the story would be better had Monty not died. It might still be enjoyable though.

Monty's strengths were, in my opinion, world building and creative fights. I think Remnant is a really cool setting, and would be great for a pen and paper roleplaying game. If Rooster Teeth hasn't already done this, I'm sure they will, same I bet it'll be worse than Wendy's.

Really though, I think it's the fights that made the show enjoyable. Shane was good, but I think that Monty was the real talent. Having a guy wielding 4 shotguns chained together as nunchucks is just awesome. With both of them gone, it took them time to get the choreography animation neck back up, but they've never recovered the creativity of Monty's fights.

 

[Roland Daggett]

I think Adam let Blake run because he didn't want to show weakness in front of the White Fang. He seemed to be boss through intimidation and manipulation. Revealing Blake as a weak spot would lessen that.


Most of the organizations in RWBY don't seem "centralized". Printed communication has never been reliable apparently. The White Fang probably operates as "cells." So Adams cell (based in Mistral in seems) grew more extreme with him as leader. Sienna Khan was overall leader which advocated "violence in self defence." Adam could get away with what he was doing because he would claim "they shot first."

Blake could hide in Vale becaue odds are Mistral and Atlas didn't share a wanted picture. Even if they did Torchwick had the cops overwhelmed. Where did Ozpin talk to Blake in V2 though? It doesn't seem she was arrested but still debriefed.

The S.D.C. brand on Adams face in V6 was probably supposed to show that he had valid reasons for being as extreme as he was.



The talk about Yang semblance was about her semblance being a hammer so every problem was a nail. Yang lost to Neo because Neo could run circles around Yang. Then Yang lost to Adam because she charged in with her semblance instead of thinking.

I think living on Remnant makes people stoic by nature and Yang had a more resilient personality to begin with.

-Pretty much all organizations in RWBY are set up in whatever way they're needed at the time. The White Fang in the first several seasons came off as a rogue group that recently turned violent after Adam overthrew the previous leadership. Infamous but still a relatively small group. Then later on they decided to make them a worldwide organization just to have Adam kill the leader and usurp her anyway which was utterly pointless. Sienna Khan as a character didn't so much as get hinted until Volume 4 which is when much of the story decides to throw out all of the previous seasons and change things to be completely different. Blake suffers from that problem as well in the same season when her previous backstory which implied Blake was either an orphan or didn't have her parents in the picture so she had a hard life was retconned into Blake being a Faunus princess who lived in a mansion on a tropical island and didn't really experience any discrimination. It makes her a massive hypocrite and makes her come off as petty and whiny more than anything.

Blake didn't bother to change her name, outfit, or weapons when she went to Beacon, so either there was no proper record of her as being part of the White Fang or literally everyone in the world is too dumb to realize that Blake Belladonna at Beacon is the same Blake Belladonna in the White Fang. And considering Mile's capacity for thinking ahead I can guarantee the actual explanation was never thought of in the first place. This is a problem with the lack of worldbuilding in the early seasons but as the writer of the show since Volume 3 Miles is obligated to think things through. The least he could do is throw in a line trying to explain it but there's nothing of the sort.

The SDC brand was a laughable last minute attempt to give Adam any kind of character after they already threw his character out. And I guess to try to make the face reveal seem like it's meaningful after spending 6 years building up to it. It was really last minute and shallow especially after they made Adam into a complete joke in Volume 5.

-Yang was chastised for using her Semblance at all, not for her poor tactics. Yang did use her Semblance in the Vytal tournament but so what? Everyone else used their Semblances too. Is it bad she used her Semblance to win against Flynt Coal when he used his Semblance to almost win? Or against Mercury when he used what I assumed was his Semblance to bombard her with a crap ton of shots (until Miles decided to be an idiot again and say Semblances can be taken probably cause he discovered All For One in MHA). Yang didn't use her Semblance against Neo she lost simply because Neo outwitted her and played to Yang's weaknesses. In a world full of man eating monsters that are supposed to be what they're training to fight against who cares if she uses it against human opponents in a tournament that's supposed to be for fun? Yang used her Semblance sparingly in the first couple Volumes as a last resort in a fight. When she fought Junior she used it to end the fight, and when she fought Roman in the mech she used her Semblance to take it down after he smashed her through a concrete pillar. I can understand if the goal was to say Yang needed to think more level headed in fights and be more flexible, but it was handled in a really clumsy way.

And this didn't come off as Yang being resilient. This came off as her losing every bit of her personality. She was boring and obnoxious. I've seen people go "She's traumatized!" as an excuse for her storyline being boring and badly written but it comes off as her being mopey and lazy. The world is in danger and she just sits around doing nothing. There's not a whole lot of time in the season to develop Yang's trauma and it's mostly ignored anyway and just a few episodes in she puts on the robot arm so all that mopey stuff was inconsequential filler. If they wanted her to get back in the action quicker just have Yang be dead set on revenge against Adam. That would have been more in character.

Nevermind that his name is literally Adam and that his symbol is a wilting rose, one of the main motifs associated with the Beast- nah, we gotta retcon him into Gaston and throw out what could have been a really interesting morally grey character and turn him into a screaming abusive incel to pander to the part of the fandom that's so toxic it makes the goddamn Elephant's Foot jealous!

I'm still frustrated over how hard they shat the bed with him, man. He was one of my favorite characters and post V3 they just butchered him.

Yeah I forgot to mention the rose theme! Adam literally has a rose embroidered on his coat. You'd have to be a compete shill to not notice that Adam is based on the Beast.

When I started watching RWBY I expected that Adam would be more of an ideological opponent to Blake and their conflict would be something akin to Gray Fox and Solid Snake in the early Metal Gear games where they ended up on different sides of the conflict due to their personal views. Blake tries for peaceful resolution but Adam thinks that violence is the only way to get Faunus rights. You know something interesting like that. Instead when Adam shows up in Volume 3 they completely warp his character into being a psycho stalker ex despite him being called Blake's mentor by Monty. Miles just wanted the crazy ex angle cause he's incapable of writing an interesting villain.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I'm not convinced the story would be better had Monty not died. It might still be enjoyable though.

Monty's strengths were, in my opinion, world building and creative fights. I think Remnant is a really cool setting, and would be great for a pen and paper roleplaying game.

I've heard that. Honestly, the one thing people lament the most is the wasted potential of the world and characters, and you could say Volumes 1 and 2 highlighted Monty's strengths, and the volumes following exposed what he was weak at. And I've also heard some put Monty on a pedestal too much and RWBY wasn't his Mona Lisa or anything.

 

[Roland Daggett]

I've heard that. Honestly, the one thing people lament the most is the wasted potential of the world and characters, and you could say Volumes 1 and 2 highlighted Monty's strengths, and the volumes following exposed what he was weak at. And I've also heard some put Monty on a pedestal too much and RWBY wasn't his Mona Lisa or anything.

While Monty wasn't the best writer the fact is that he was in charge of Volumes 1 and 2 and Miles was in charge of everything after that, and Volume 3 was when the show became utter trash. It's pretty obvious without Monty directing the show it was completely rudderless. Though things like killing Pyrrha were boneheaded decisions Monty needed someone who knew how to write to stop him and tell him that's an awful idea for the most part Monty did an alright job. The people who I see slog Monty the most are the RT shills who are desperate to claim Miles was the real brain behind RWBY the entire time and act like Monty didn't deserve any credit.

 

[Fougaro]

Nevermind that his name is literally Adam and that his symbol is a wilting rose, one of the main motifs associated with the Beast- nah, we gotta retcon him into Gaston and throw out what could have been a really interesting morally grey character and turn him into a screaming abusive incel to pander to the part of the fandom that's so toxic it makes the goddamn Elephant's Foot jealous!

I'm still frustrated over how hard they shat the bed with him, man. He was one of my favorite characters and post V3 they just butchered him.

Can we talk about the travesty that Adam never got a villain song?

 

[Sayon]

I think Adam let Blake run because he didn't want to show weakness in front of the White Fang. He seemed to be boss through intimidation and manipulation. Revealing Blake as a weak spot would lessen that.

He wasn't intended to be Blake's ex.

Most of the organizations in RWBY don't seem "centralized". Printed communication has never been reliable apparently. The White Fang probably operates as "cells." So Adams cell (based in Mistral in seems) grew more extreme with him as leader. Sienna Khan was overall leader which advocated "violence in self defence." Adam could get away with what he was doing because he would claim "they shot first."

We're shown in Adam's short that the WF already were wearing their masks (which Blake told us happened when they made the step into ultraviolence). It's at odds with what Blake told us. Which points to the WF's background getting retconned.

I'll also point out that it reframes the hostility the villagers had towards the WF in Adam's short as less "muh meanie humans acting mean to poor widdle furries" and more "we don't want you violent terrorists around."

Blake could hide in Vale becaue odds are Mistral and Atlas didn't share a wanted picture. Even if they did Torchwick had the cops overwhelmed. Where did Ozpin talk to Blake in V2 though? It doesn't seem she was arrested but still debriefed.

She has the same surname as key members of the White Fang. She doesn't need a mugshot to be put under suspicion. Especially she took part in a major tournament with plenty of spectators and television.

With what we're told about Blake's family, she should have not just hid her ears but actively hid her surname by giving a fake one.

The S.D.C. brand on Adams face in V6 was probably supposed to show that he had valid reasons for being as extreme as he was.

Blake and Yang hardly dwell on Adam's brand. He's treated too much as the murderous ex for the reveal to not be hollow.

I think living on Remnant makes people stoic by nature and Yang had a more resilient personality to begin with.

The show actually hasn't done a good job reflecting the "world is filled with monsters that are drawn by negative behavior" point.

Menagerie was a mistake. Let's also remember that Kali and Ghira are the only parents who are not only both alive, but are both actually great parents. Way to go, Miles and Kerry. Way to freaking go.

I'm sure Menagerie was supposed to be a crowded dump of a country where the faunus were sent to ala Amerindian reservations. They failed to show this properly so it comes off as a tropical paradise.

Nevermind that his name is literally Adam and that his symbol is a wilting rose, one of the main motifs associated with the Beast- nah, we gotta retcon him into Gaston and throw out what could have been a really interesting morally grey character and turn him into a screaming abusive incel to pander to the part of the fandom that's so toxic it makes the goddamn Elephant's Foot jealous!

I'm still frustrated over how hard they shat the bed with him, man. He was one of my favorite characters and post V3 they just butchered him.

It's worse than that when you notice that Ilia is transparently a lesbian version of Adam. It's like they didn't want to abandon the Adam that his fanbase wanted (the well-meaning terrorist) so they just recycled him into a girl who unlike Adam gets to live and be "redeemed" (even though her redemption is not credible).

 

[Random Internet Person]

I'm sure Menagerie was supposed to be a crowded dump of a country where the faunus were sent to ala Amerindian reservations.

I've also heard Australia because there's alleged to be some parts that are considered uninhabitable due to either desert or super awful Grimm.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

While Monty wasn't the best writer the fact is that he was in charge of Volumes 1 and 2 and Miles was in charge of everything after that, and Volume 3 was when the show became utter trash. It's pretty obvious without Monty directing the show it was completely rudderless. Though things like killing Pyrrha were boneheaded decisions Monty needed someone who knew how to write to stop him and tell him that's an awful idea for the most part Monty did an alright job. The people who I see slog Monty the most are the RT shills who are desperate to claim Miles was the real brain behind RWBY the entire time and act like Monty didn't deserve any credit.

Pyrrha was destined to die from the get-go. Her name is based off of the word "pyrrhic" and she's based on Achilles from the Trojan War.