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Two people have been killed in an explosion at a naval test facility in northern Russia, officials say.

The victims were civilian specialists. At least four others - both military and civilian personnel - were injured.

The facility, in the north-western Arkhangelsk region in the Russian Arctic, has not been named.

The blast occurred during testing of a rocket engine, officials said, adding that the explosion did not release harmful materials or radiation.

"During testing of a liquid jet engine an explosion and combustion of the product occurred," a statement by the defence ministry carried by Russian news agency Interfax said.

"There have been no harmful chemicals released into the atmosphere, the radiation levels are normal," it added.

Emergency aircraft were used to airlift the injured. They included defence ministry officials and developer company representatives, who "had injuries of varying severity", the statement added.

There had been earlier reports of a fire at a military facility near the town of Nyonoksa in the same region, which hosts a navy missile test range known to be used for testing intercontinental ballistic missiles, or ICBMs.

The Nyonoksa naval test range carries out tests for virtually every missile system used by the Russian navy, including sea-launched ICBMs, cruise missiles and anti-aircraft missiles.

Earlier, residents of Nyonoksa reported a fire in the village and explosions nearby.

On Tuesday, one person was killed and eight others were injured in a blaze at an ammunition dump in Siberia.

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Media captionHuge blasts and rising smoke as Russian arms depot explodes
Flying munitions damaged a school and a kindergarten in the area. More than 9,500 people were evacuated. An investigation is under way into the cause of the incident.

Seems the Russian missile systems are experiencing a bit of a hiccup...
 
Blyat do not work on the rocket while on vodka, Drunkachow!
 
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They should stick to what they’re good at: putting the right people in charge of America.
 
"There have been no harmful chemicals released into the atmosphere, the radiation levels are normal," it added.

You didnt see any harmfull chemicals or radioactive materials.

You didnt

YOU DIDNT!!!
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How sure are we that this isn't what would happen if they ever tried to launch their nukes? I get a strong feeling all those things haven't been properly maintained, if they ever worked in the first place.

Fuck it, let's roll the dice. Nuke Moscow Now!
 
How sure are we that this isn't what would happen if they ever tried to launch their nukes? I get a strong feeling all those things haven't been properly maintained, if they ever worked in the first place.

Fuck it, let's roll the dice. Nuke Moscow Now!


Because the Soyuz (over 3000 launches) is the most reliable launch system ever made, and all their ballistic missile technology is based on its predecessors. Rest assured when putin decides to glass you from existence 99.3% of those ~1,500 missiles will deliver their payloads.
 
Because the Soyuz (over 3000 launches) is the most reliable launch system ever made, and all their ballistic missile technology is based on its predecessors. Rest assured when putin decides to glass you from existence 99.3% of those ~1,500 missiles will deliver their payloads.
Make up your mind which totalitarian communist regime you're shilling for, nutcase.
 
You see, Ivan, if teach missile to shoot at self first, it have nothing else to fear in life.
 
2 dead, 6 injured, the Dvina Bay closed to civilian vessels until further notice, radioactivity level went up, now they say it's back to normal, but yeah, bay is still closed, so that is hardly true.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GsBUxCMLtFEhttps://www.fontanka.ru/2019/08/08/073/
https://www.fontanka.ru/2019/08/08/084/

That “radioactivity went up, but now it’s normal” is worrying. Especially with the hospital handing out iodine. Did they blow up some armor piercing rounds? Or explode the rocket on an actual nuke and breach its warhead? Dirty bombing themselves?
 
A heartbreaking, but expected update on the story - more injured, nobody warned it was a nuclear explosion, even medical staff and emergency responders who treated victims. There is a more in-depth article on that in Russian sources, but Foxnews has a good summary:

A mysterious and deadly explosion earlier this month at a naval weapons testing range in northwestern Russia has spawned numerous questions amid changing and conflicting information from authorities, including from health workers who treated those injured in the blast who say they weren't informed about potential radiation risk.
The blast on Aug. 8 took place at a military shooting range in Nyonoksa, located in the far northern Arkhangelsk region.

Russia's Defense Ministry initially said the blast killed two people and injured six, but the state-controlled nuclear agency, Rosatom, later disclosed the explosion killed five of its workers and injured three others. More than a week after the explosion, it's still not clear what the final death toll is.
The Russian Defense Ministry initially said no radiation had been released, although the city administration in Severodvinsk -- a port city of 183,000 located about 12 miles away from the military testing range -- reported a brief rise in radiation levels. By Tuesday, Russia's state weather agency Rosgidromet said that radiation levels had spiked by four to 16 times in the city.

Four male doctors and a medical worker at the Arkhangelsk Regional Clinical Hospital, located near Severodvinsk, told the Moscow Times the facility received three men to the hospital around 4:30 p.m. the day of the accident who were naked and wrapped in translucent plastic bags. Health care staff at the time were only told there had been an explosion hours earlier at a military site, the Moscow Times reported Friday.
Buildings at a military base in the town of Nyonoska, Russia, the site of an accident during a test of a nuclear-powered engine where at least 5 people were killed earlier this month.

Buildings at a military base in the town of Nyonoksa, Russia, the site of an accident during a test of a nuclear-powered engine where at least 5 people were killed earlier this month. (AFP/Getty Images)
“No one -- neither hospital directors, nor Health Ministry officials, nor regional officials or the governor -- notified staff that the patients were radioactive,” one of the clinic’s surgeons told The Moscow Times. “The hospital workers had their suspicions, but nobody told them to protect themselves.”
All five men who spoke to the newspaper did not treat the patients, but attended a briefing on Aug. 12 at the hospital. The Moscow Times reported all who attended the briefing all gave an "identical" version of events and were frustrated with not being made aware of potential risks.

Shifting stories from officials in Moscow follow a deadly explosion at a remote military base. Gen. Jack Keane weighs in on the changing nature of the global nuclear arms race.
“The staff is furious to say the least,” one of the doctors told The Moscow Times. “This is a public hospital. We weren’t prepared for this and other people could have been affected.”
A nurse at the hospital who gave only her first name, Viktoria, out of concern she said might face retribution, told the New York Times that doctors who worked on those injured in the blast discovered their scrubs were causing radiation meters to click and were later evacuated to Moscow.
“They didn’t tell us anything,” Viktoria told the New York Times. “Then they told us, ‘we will wash the walls and then everything will be all right.’”

Days after the blast, Russia's TASS news agency reported the medics who treated victims of the explosion have been ordered back to Moscow for a medical examination. The medics have signed non-disclosure agreements about the nature of the accident, TASS said at the time.
Russia's state weather agency, Rosgidromet, said on Tuesday that it believed radiation levels had risen by four to 16 times in the nearby port city of Severodvinsk after the accident

Russia's state weather agency, Rosgidromet, said on Tuesday that it believed radiation levels had risen by four to 16 times in the nearby port city of Severodvinsk after the accident (Bing/Fox News)
Three of the doctors who spoke to the Moscow Times said one of the doctors flown to Moscow was found to have Caesium-137, a radioactive isotope, in their muscle tissue.
On Monday, Nyonoksa residents were asked to leave the village for several hours, causing new worries. The order was quickly rescinded by the military, who said they canceled the activities at the range that had warranted the initial evacuation order. Russian authorities have closed part of Dvina Bay to shipping for a month, an apparent attempt to keep outsiders from seeing an operation to recover the missile debris.

Neither the Defense Ministry nor Rosatom named the type of rocket that exploded during the test, saying only that it had liquid propellant, but the state-controlled nuclear agency said the explosion occurred while engineers were testing "a nuclear isotope power source" for a rocket.
A still image from the Russian Defense Ministry shows the new nuclear-powered cruise missile known as the Burevestnik.

A still image from the Russian Defense Ministry shows the new nuclear-powered cruise missile known as the Burevestnik.(Russian Defense Ministry/Handout)
U.S. defense officials and outside observers believe it was a missile Russia calls the 9M730 Burevestnik. The NATO alliance has designated it the SSC-X-9 Skyfall, which was first revealed by Russian President Vladimir Putin in March 2018 along with other doomsday weapons.
During his 2018 state of the nation address, Putin unveiled the missile, along with other new weapons that he said made NATO's U.S.-led missile defense system "useless." The Russian leader claimed the nuclear-powered cruise missile had an unlimited range, flew at a high speed and was capable of maneuverability that would allow it to pierce any missile defense.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-nuclear-cruise-missile-accident-health-workers

EDIT: Oh, nice, there is actually a translated version of an in-depth report from a Russian news-site:
‘There's no danger. Get to work.’ Following a radioactive incident outside Arkhangelsk, Russia's military didn't warn medical staff about their contaminated patients
On August 8, at a launch site in Russia’s Arkhangelsk region, a rocket engine exploded. Two days later, state officials acknowledged that the accident resulted in a radiation leak. The victims in the explosion were taken to a hospital in Arkhangelsk, where the radioactive nuclide cesium-137 was later detected in the body of one of the doctors. Sources have confirmed to Meduza that none of the responding rescue workers or physicians were warned that they were treating irradiated patients. Hospital staff were informed about the risk of radiation only several hours after doctors started operating on the victims, and decontamination efforts didn’t begin until the next day. Most of the health workers involved in this incident have been sworn to state secrecy, but Meduza managed to speak to an employee at a rescue service whose staff administered first aid to the victims before they were hospitalized, and we reached a doctor at one of the hospitals where some victims were treated. In the text below, Meduza has changed both individuals’ names to protect their identity.
“They flew into a hotbed of isotope radiation without respirators or protective gear”
Arina Sergeyeva (not her real name), staff at the state-funded I. A. Polivany Rescue Service

The first thing you need to understand is that radiation, chemical, and biological defense troops’ regulations state that military personnel should respond to accidents at military facilities.

When conducting any work like this [with the missile], the soldiers should have deployed decontamination checkpoints at the testing site — there should have been at least three. The first decontamination point should be at the border between the clean and contaminated zones. Even in the absence of a major accident, individuals leaving the danger zone must pass through this checkpoint with any equipment they touched, and they have to be processed and decontaminated of any radiation. At the next checkpoint, these people have to remove all their clothing (which needs to be destroyed), before they’re cleaned and decontaminated again. After this, they’re checked again for radiation levels. People who come up “clean” are released, but anyone with abnormal readings has to be taken to a military hospital. Before they’re loaded into an ambulance, they need to be washed again and then yet again, when they arrive at the hospital. Before any surgeries, patients should be decontaminated once again at the hospital. Only after all this should doctors treat the patients.


And what happened with the accident at the test site in the Arkhangelsk region? I wasn’t on duty that day, but I know about what took place from my colleagues. Six victims were taken to Vaskovo Airport, not on military helicopters, but on two civilian helicopters operated by air-medical service. These workers weren’t warned that they were carrying radiation-contaminated patients, and they certainly didn’t sign any consent-to-assist documents. Because they weren’t told whom they were transporting, the air-medical responders didn’t even take basic safety measures. They flew into a hotbed of isotope radiation without respirators or protective gear, and took away the victims.

Because this was an accident at a military compound, they should have called in feds from the Emergency Management Agency to help the victims, but instead they called staff from the local Arkhangelsk I. A. Polivany Rescue Service.

And the most absurd thing in all this (though I struggle to single out what I think is “the most”) is that they didn’t leave our vehicle (a mobile radiation-chemistry laboratory) at Vaskovo Airport, where they brought the victims. Instead, they sent it to Severodvinsk to measure its radiation levels. At that time, there were reports that sensors there were showing heightened radiation levels. So our car went there, and an additional team drove to the airport with a gamma-ray sensor and nothing else. This was on orders from senior officials (not the managers at our rescue service).

Just so you understand: I’m saying that the rescue workers were in protective gear, but they had absolutely nothing to help the radiation victims. To make matters worse, our vehicle, which had everything needed to decontaminate radioactive people, had just left for Severodvinsk, on orders from management. I’ll note separately that the “Zvezdochka” and “Sevmash” factories in Severodvinsk also have their own equipment that could have been used to measure the radiation levels there.

If no one had concealed the presence of radiation or made ridiculous, rushed decisions, and if our mobile radiation-chemistry laboratory had been brought straight to Vaskovo Airport, we would have set up a checkpoint and decontaminated the victims. In our vehicle, we had a special inflatable enclosure, in which we’d have washed the victims with a decontaminating powder, and then we’d have sealed the water and their clothing inside a cylinder, and it would have been disposed of as radioactive waste.

But as it was we didn’t even have decontaminating powder with us, which is why our team just washed the victims with water, when the helicopters landed. Then the paramedics showed up. Nobody had notified the ambulance doctors, either, that they would be in contact with people exposed to radiation. They came wearing the usual lab coats, without respirator masks. They, too, had no decontaminating powder.

The emergency responders told the doctors that contact with these patients was dangerous, that they needed to be decontaminated first, and for that they’d need to wait for orders to send a car with a decontaminator. The ambulance doctors answered, “Well, we can’t just wait around. We have to provide medical assistance to these people. Just look at them: they’re dying.” And they loaded the victims into their car and took them to city hospitals — namely, the Semashko hospital, where there’s an isotope laboratory (which offers radiation decontamination treatment), and the city’s regional hospital, where there is no such laboratory.


Severodvinsk
Sergey Bobylev / TASS / Scanpix / LETA
“They lied to us that nobody knew there was radioactive contamination”
Pavel Kovalev (not his real name), a physician at Arkhangelsk’s regional hospital

On August 8, at 4:35 p.m., three people injured at a military testing site were brought to our hospital. We doctors directly asked if any of the patients had been exposed to radiation. The patients’ escorts told us that they’d all been decontaminated. They said, “They’re no danger to you. Get to work.”

The patients’ condition was critical, and the hospital called in everyone on standby, as well as some additional traumatologists, surgeons, and neurosurgeons, so we could do everything in our power. Some of the patients had spinal and hip fractures.

Some time later, when we were already in surgery with the patients, the dosimetrists showed up and started measuring beta-radiation levels. They ran out of the operating room in terror. Doctors caught them in the hallway, and they confessed that the beta radiation was off the scale.

They had detectors and dosimeters at the Semashko hospital, where they brought another three victims. The doctors realized there was radiation, even though they were also told initially that there wasn’t any. They decontaminated the patients themselves, wearing protective suits, respirators, and started treatment, only after they made sure everything was safe. That’s how it’s supposed to be. We’d have done the same thing, if we’d been warned.

The next day — when the hospital was already, how shall we say, soiled in cesium-13 — soldiers started decontamination work in the operating rooms and emergency room, mowing the grass all around the hospital, and dismantling and confiscating anything they couldn’t disinfect (including the bath in the emergency room where we washed the victims).

And another important thing: we risked the lives of the other patients who were in the emergency room at that time. We closed the area only after we realized that we’d admitted three patients who’d been exposed to radiation. The whole time up until this, literally steps from our victims, there were teenagers, pregnant women, and people who needed medical attention, all just walking by.

The next day, on Monday, staff from the Health Ministry arrived. After spending several hours with the patients (about whom the doctors themselves knew only that they’d been exposed to radiation, and not the type of radiation or doses), the physicians started asking the Health Ministry officials: “We’ve likely been irradiated. Who’s responsible for this? Whose decision was it? And how will we be compensated for this?” The acting minister said the doctors would get overtime pay, which is roughly 100 rubles ($1.50) an hour. In other words, the Health Ministry officials didn’t deny that the staff had been irradiated. So these people spent five to six hours with the infected, performed operations on them, and got 500 rubles ($7.60) for it.

For the next hour at the hospital, there was yelling and swearing. My colleagues shouted that they’d been treated like they were expendable. We were then ordered to calm down. They lied to us that nobody in the region knew about the radiation until 5:30 p.m. Oh really! All the sensors worked, and the Mayor’s Office released a statement that same day on its website about the release of radiation. True, the message was quickly deleted. The Health Ministry thought we didn’t have that information, but we’d gone back and combed over everything on the Internet and learned about the accident, and about the victims they’d brought us and where they'd come from.

The medics from the military came to our hospital only later. When we started telling them about the victims’ exposure, their diagnoses, and invited them into the patients’ rooms, the medics said, “No. We have children,” and “I’ve got so many kids and I’m not going in there.” Well that’s just great. Meanwhile, without any warning, the doctors at our hospital spent a bunch of time with these patients, the anesthesiologists each spent six hours with them, and these military medics don’t want to go inside for a single minute.

“You must have eaten some Fukushima crabs!”
After dismantling the bath in our hospital and mowing the lawn all around the building, they finally turned their attention to examining the doctors who treated the victims. Twenty-one of 57 hospital staff were examined at the A. I. Burnazyan Federal Medical Biophysical Center, and the remaining 36 people were screened there and then, at our hospital. As soon as they found cesium at Burnazyan in the first doctor, the entrance to this medical center was closed to us. Apparently 10 specialists from Burnazyan came to the Semashko hospital to examine us, but the scope of these examinations for the doctors here was far less than what our colleagues got at the Burnazyan medical center.

At Burnazyan, they found cesium in one of my colleagues. He’s a young man, and his wife is currently pregnant. At the medical center, they asked him where he’s gone on vacation in the past few years. He started listing all the places, and said he’d been to Thailand at some point. When they heard this, they said where there’s Thailand, there’s Japan: “You must have eaten some Fukushima crabs!” The man had been in contact with cesium for several hours, he’d participated in surgeries [with irradiated patients], and he’d stood over the patients without a respirator mask. Then he goes in for an examination, and they tell him: “Oops, well, it’s your own fault. You brought it home from Thailand.”

After the cesium-137 was discovered in my colleague, we were informed that all medical documentation on us (all the results of our exams) would be sent to the Health Ministry. It’s unclear what they’ll do there with these documents, if we’ll be provided copies later, and whether we’ll get them in full.

“We don’t need your secrets”
Also, despite the fact that no one gave us an agreement to sign stating that we consented to work with irradiated patients (when the victims were brought to us, even the soldiers didn’t know what kind of radiation we were dealing with) — despite all this, almost every doctor and nurse working that day was sworn to military secrecy. They confiscated all the patients’ electronic and paper medical records, and took all the documentation on these individuals, leaving us without any evidence. They told us: “Just forget about this day.” But our people aren’t keepers of state secrets. A nurse doesn’t know the boundaries of these secrets. They brought these people to our hospital. Is that a secret? No. The nurses scrubbed them in our bath. Is that a secret? It is not.

In the days afterwards, half the staff said immediately that they would quit. After all, exposure to cesium-137 increases the risks of developing cancer and a whole host of genetic mutations. And what good is the one examination they just performed on the doctors? Even if the disease doesn’t manifest instantly, that doesn’t mean you can rest easy. Anyone who was in contact with the contaminated now needs constant checkups.

The actual number of exposed people is much higher than six (five of these individuals have already died). They’re being honored with the title of “heroes.” But the civilians who were irradiated at the same time (I mean the civil contractors who were also at the center of the testing site, and the doctors at our hospital and the ambulance doctors, and the air-medical responders) will never enjoy such recognition. In three or four years, when they start getting sick and start dying, it won’t prove anything. The documentation about the existence of victims on civilian grounds will be destroyed — it’s already been removed from our hospital — and the examination records will show that the doctors were all in good health. The civilians who were at the test site will also remain in the shadows. None of them went to the hospital, after all. End of story.

Right now, everybody’s trying to calm down. Some of those who treated the patients have already gone on vacation, while others are simply realizing that they’ll never prove anything. At first, everyone wanted to go to court, but the military seized all our documentation about the fact that we’d ever admitted patients with radiation. A judge would ask for the hospital’s information, but everything has been erased. The hospital administrator would respond with a polite letter stating that he found no data about the location of such and such patients contaminated with radiation. And if we filed a Criminal Code 237lawsuit, all we’ve got in terms of evidence is the cesium-137 found in the one doctor. We still haven’t been given the results of our other examinations.

Our doctor who got the cesium-137 — he simply inhaled it. If they’d warned him, he would have worked just as responsibly, but he’d have worn a respirator. He wouldn’t have breathed in the cesium, he’d have thrown out his clothes, and washed the particles from his skin. They wouldn’t have even needed to disclose to us their [state] secrets about radioactive contamination. But when working with cholera, for example, you’d have immediately told the doctors, like any normal person, “Gentlemen, respirators and protective gear on, everybody.” And that’s it. We don’t need your secrets. We just want not to be contaminated and not to die, at least when it can be avoided easily. Not a word was ever said about this.

UPDATE: THE KREMLIN RESPONDS
https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/08/22/there-s-no-danger-get-to-work
 
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"the site of an accident during a test of a nuclear-powered engine "

When ol' fashioned solid or liquid propellants just aren't good enough for your shark with laser beams, strap an atomic engine to its ass.

I suppose this would be all well and good if Russia had an enviable track record with nuclear propulsion, which they don't.

(From Wikipedia)

Some of the most serious nuclear and radiation accidents by death toll in the world have involved nuclear submarine mishaps. To date, all of these were units of the former Soviet Union.[2][3][23] Reactor accidents that resulted in core damage and release of radioactivity from nuclear-powered submarines include:[2][24]
  • K-8, 1960: suffered a loss-of-coolant accident; substantial radioactivity released.[25]
  • K-14, 1961: the reactor compartment was replaced due to unspecified "breakdown of reactor protection systems".
  • K-19, 1961: suffered a loss-of-coolant accident resulting in 8 deaths and more than 30 other people being over-exposed to radiation.[26] The events on board the submarine are dramatized by the film K-19: The Widowmaker.
  • K-11, 1965: both reactors were damaged during refueling while lifting the reactor vessel heads; reactor compartments scuttled off the east coast of Novaya Zemlya in the Kara Sea in 1966.
  • K-27, 1968: experienced reactor core damage to one of its liquid metal (lead-bismuth) cooled VT-1 reactors, resulting in 9 fatalities and 83 other injuries; scuttled in the Kara Sea in 1982.[2]
  • K-140, 1968: the reactor was damaged following an uncontrolled, automatic increase in power during shipyard work.[27]
  • K-429, 1970: an uncontrolled start-up of the ship's reactor led to a fire and the release of radioactivity[27]
  • K-116, 1970: suffered a loss-of-coolant accident in the port reactor; substantial radioactivity released.
  • K-64, 1972: the first Alfa-class liquid-metal cooled reactor failed; reactor compartment scrapped.
  • K-222, 1980: the Papa-class submarine had a reactor accident during maintenance in the shipyard while the ship's naval crew had left for lunch.[27]
  • K-123, 1982: the Alfa-class submarine reactor core damaged by liquid-metal coolant leak; the sub was forced out of commission for eight years.[27][28]
  • K-431, 1985: a reactor accident while refueling resulted in 10 fatalities and 49 other people suffered radiation injuries.[3]
  • K-219, 1986: suffered an explosion and fire in a missile tube, eventually leading to a reactor accident; a 20-year-old enlisted seaman, Sergei Preminin, sacrificed his life to secure one of the onboard reactors. The submarine sank three days later.
  • K-192, 1989 (reclassified from K-131): suffered a loss-of-coolant accident due to a break in the starboard reactor loop.
Slappy Note: These are only reactor accidents. While the US has lost 2 nuclear subs at sea (the Thresher and the Scorpion), they aren't believed to be reactor related -- the Thresher was practicing very deep water tests and exceeded crush depth. Scorpion was also crushed, but it isn't known why she was so deep.

Other war history buffs might find this entertaining as well - Russian nuclear powered aircraft.
 
Because the Soyuz (over 3000 launches) is the most reliable launch system ever made, and all their ballistic missile technology is based on its predecessors. Rest assured when putin decides to glass you from existence 99.3% of those ~1,500 missiles will deliver their payloads.

Russia is riding coattail of the USSR. Back then failure was treason and treason was execution. Now everyone is preoccupied with making money. After disastrous 90s and chronic lack of funding + a lot of rocket development and factories during USSR were located what's now Ukraine. A lot of rocket engines are way past their expiration date and I doubt there is skill or will or funds to maintain.

Russia's record on launches is pretty shitty actually, with a lot of public gaffes. The idea that most of the ICBMs would actually blow up in their silos is not a new idea, it had been talked about in the last 10 years.

These are projections of the radioactive cloud. Two monitoring stations were "shut down". Kremlin denies everything.

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There are pictures and vids from Russian social sites that trees 300 kil radius lost their leaves and turned brown in days time, like being burned. I'm too lazy to find them now.

That Chernobil series were so great ... Vlad figured that it needs a sequel.
 
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