Rowling Derangement Syndrome - "TERF/Woke Author Bad!!1"

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Maginot said:
Explains why the fairy tale is fuzzy on the edges, good fertile ground for fans to write better magic but wizards disappearing their shit is a tact admission she wasn't and isn't a plumber.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, here, but wasn't the whole 'wizards just magic away their shit' a fake tweet made by a troll, and not something J.K. Rowling actually said, but something the troon platoon, who already had an axe to grind with J.K. decided they'd run with and disseminate as fact?
 
Nancy said:
There's so much seething on Tumblr right now. I can't be bothered to cap it all but this one sums up the general feeling:

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These people are fucking retarded and not in a funny "ha ha" way, but more in a "maybe eugenics is a good idea" kind of way
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To elaborate; Neil Gaiman, a long time Tumblr e-Daddy, has been accused of sexual assault by two women. Tumblr has decided that he is guilty and the Good Omens fandom is tearing itself apart.

The relevance to JKR comes from the fact that there are a lot of posts asking what Harry Potter fans did when they found out their favorite author was an asshole.
 
Miriam Margoyles said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, here, but wasn't the whole 'wizards just magic away their shit' a fake tweet made by a troll, and not something J.K. Rowling actually said, but something the troon platoon, who already had an axe to grind with J.K. decided they'd run with and disseminate as fact?
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I’ve always thought it was a joke (like an ”ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer” kind of thing), but people actually took her seriously when she said wizards just shit on the floor and vanish it. Wizards do have conduct rules, such as never Apparating directly into someone’s house - just because they can do a thing doesn’t mean they should. I imagine going to the bathroom is the same.
 
Why are people talking the accusations against Neil Gayman? They should be talking about the real problem, that is, J.K. ROWLING and her army of radfem supporters stirring up a targeted alt-right campaign against him.
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Mayhem said:
I’ve always thought it was a joke (like an ”ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer” kind of thing), but people actually took her seriously when she said wizards just shit on the floor and vanish it. Wizards do have conduct rules, such as never Apparating directly into someone’s house - just because they can do a thing doesn’t mean they should. I imagine going to the bathroom is the same.
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I had taken it to mean that they would shit in some sort of chamber pot (like other British people pre-indoor plumbing) and then vanish it from there.

I don’t know why people are so upset. It’s historical fact that people used to shit in the streets or throw shit out of windows. In many places they still do. At least the wizards and witches can delete the evidence.
 
If your cause falls apart without the support of a few semi-famous people, it's not much of a cause, is it?

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Translation: "HOW CAN I MAKE THIS ALL ABOUT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!!"
 
Neil Gayman rapes multiple women, Republicans pounce.

I just want to take this opportunity to say I've tried to read a couple of his books before and they suck.
 
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really really hard said:
HP seems like a ripoff of The Worst Witch though.
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Not really and I have a long autistic explanation, even though it should be enough to say that both do the basic idea of 'boarding school + magic' different enough. They are both school stories, but boys' school story and girls' school story are separate genres. The Worst Witch is pretty clearly a girls' school story of the revival period.

Boys' school story had its heyday in the second half of the 19th century and while WW1 didn't kill it, it diminished it into near irrelevance and its longest surviving 20th century example is Billy Bunter which is very much purely a comedy. The definitive parody of the genre is Kipling's Stalky and Co. which is late 19th/early 20th century.

The girls' school story didn't really take off until Angel Brazil in early 20th century (I think her first book was 1906), even though there were girls' school stories by L.T.Meade and others before that. The girls' school story genre couldn't take off until there were enough girls' school and Britain was very late in establishing secondary education for girls on a wide basis. The heyday of the girls' school story was the interwar period with the so-called 'Big Four' of the genre: Angela Brazil, Elsie J. Oxenham, Elinor M. Brent-Dyer. and Dorita Fairlie Bruce. (Since she was probably a graphomaniac and wrote in every single juvenile genre, Enid Blyton wrote a bunch of school stories around WW2, including one of the earliest co-ed ones). Out of the Big Four, Angela Brazil is an outlier because she didn't write series and because she was a generation older. She is still the creator of the stereotypical idea of girls' school story in general public, but enthustiasts generally prefer the series writers. Her obituary quipped that the public should expect 'School at the Pearly Gates' soon, which pretty much sums up what she was known for.
The series authors are more interesting, since they lasted long past WW2. Elinor M. Brent-Dyer died in 1969, her last book was posthumously published in 1970 and it was the final book in her main series that had over 40 books. The thing is, the girls' school story wasn't supposed to survive as a genre. Post-war criticism was completely unanimous that the genre was outdated and didn't deal with real issues teenagers faced. Books for girls were supposed to be about drugs and teenage pregnancy, not hijinks. (Which shows that the anti-escapism line of thought isn't something new and it never died.) (As another aside, when Antonia Forest had a girls' school story series that did deal with drugs and so on, the critics still hated it.) The label of school story meant 'for girls' exclusively and it was generally pejorative. (See the preface to the Virago edition of Antonia White's Frost in May that ties itself into knots to not call the book a school story.) The 70s and 80s were time where old school story series got cheap paperback reprints that revived the genre popularity beyond enthusiasts and dirty old men and allowed series like Trebizon and the Worst Witch to exist.

The Worst Witch is a girls' school story and since it wasn't written during wartime, the stakes are lower and there's more misadventures and hijinks. Personal drama between the character is the point and there is no big overarching threat (Threat of expulsion is the most cliche of cliche troubles in school stories).

Harry Potter reads more like revival of boys' school story just updated. (Though all notable examples of co-ed school stories have been in the girls' school story genre, that's probably because the boys' school story was more or less dead when they were written.) It's not a story for girls (but boys will probably read too). It's a story for boys which makes it respectable. One of the markers of respectable children's books is that they're for both boys and girls (which in practice means for boys). One of the big things Harry Potter supposedly did was making boys read. (But the boys are now grown up and claiming to be women.) The stakes are higher and the worldbuilding is whimsical and silly, but has some real world inspirations and depth. (I remember being 12 and having my mind blown that Nicolas Flamel was a real alchemist.) It also manages to more or less balance regular school life, plot of the year, and overarching plot of the entire series. Harry Potter manages to weave in cliches of the school story (which were almost unknown to most readers) in with its bigger plot, which is one of the reasons it works. The school turning against the protagonist is a cliche, but in Harry Potter it happens for magical reasons, not unfair suspicion of cheating at exams etc.

Even if Rowling was inspired by the Worst Witch and even if we don't care about 'She did girl thing for boys, so now it's notable', Rowling added enough to Harry Potter to make it distinct.

A way to see how different boys' school stories and girls' school stories are treated by general readership is in Discworld. The boys' school story parody in Pyramids (the Assassins' Guild school) is affectionate. The girls' school story segment in Soul Music has a ton of contempt for the genre and is there to show how much better Susan is than other, more conventional, girls.
 
Tragon Dirtle said:
It's clearly a slam piece on Rowling anyway, because it finishes characterising her as a cold rude bitch.
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It's only ever been so, that's what the twats forget.
She has always been subject to slam peices due to keeping herself to herself, especially from grasping journos.
They had to give her a bit of grudging credit when she gave away about a billion quid, but normal service has very much been resumed when it comes to the press's treatment of someone who basically just wanted to write and didn't want to give endless interviews about themsleves. Good writers tend to be a bit boring and think of themsleves as such. It sort of what it takes to be a good writer. You need to basically be happy to sit silently, constructing more interesting worlds for yourself to inhabit.

India is fucking nutso, he has absolutely no self awareness and clearly doesn't even have so much as a flatmate to run his insane opinions which become tweets by, family and friends long gone for sure.
Rowling husband has kept very quiet, but to be fair she hasn't exactly gone tell all, as regards details about him.
He probably was a total cunt, maybe full of the drink or summat, and probably accepts it and tries to put it behind him following a change of life and behaviour or whatever. You must assume. Perhaps she gave him a little hush stipend or something. He's either changed and improved or it's more worth his while to be quiet than otherwise.

The extent of Willoughbys hate boner for her is intense now. I bet he's sleeping like 2 hours a night, lol.


And what a shocker that Mr virtuous tumblr troon fluffer Neil Gaiman is a predator. I liked his Sandman books. Can buy he's a perv though and it always, always comes through that people desperate to maintain pushed boundaries have a whole lot of history.
Kek retard opportunistic troons not understanding Lolita.
Yes it's supposed to be a love story. Love can be horrible, abusive and deluded. Pedos often do think they are in love. That's the categorically deference between a paedoband a child abuser, regardless of how they intersect in practice (lampposts for all).
That's why it works as a famously great novel at all, and not just a police report of abuse you fucking absolute cretins.
 
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The owner of the site that's published the Neil Gaiman accusations is apparently friends with JKR, which is why she's getting dragged into this and everyone's saying it's a set up. But they were all over praising them when they published the trolling Amber Heard podcast before this.

He admits that the stuff in the bath actually happened literally hours after he'd hired the 18 year old girl to be his nanny, just that it was consensual. Where the fuck does that happen outside of a porno?
 
Neil Gaiman grew up as a Scientologist and left his family to hook up with Amanda Palmer, a thot and crusty busker. Neil wanted to sow his oats with her because he grew up uwu oppressed in a cult and didn’t want to be a married father anymore. Amanda finally made the decision to have a baby with him after years of marriage, and he promptly abandoned her and said baby to fuck babysitters and groupies like a proper Jude Law. Nothing about this is surprising to anyone familiar with Gaiman’s history (or the history of narcissistic moids in general). However, Good Omens is the pooner fandom du jour after the miniseries aired on Amazon, so there are a lot of Gen Z genderspecials taking it as a personal affront that he is being MeTooed.
 
Shotgun Badger said:
All of the rest of this stuff is pretty fucking funny, but this takes the cake because if she's a serious, practicing Muslim then this position is comically incompatible with Islam in almost every interpretation, since its extremely clear in Islam that there is only one god, Allah, and every claim to the contrary is a total lie that at best represents either charlatans or demons. There's no 'minor gods', there's only Allah and pledging any kind of allegiance to a pagan faith like old Norse religion is absolutely forbidden from being considered an actual Muslim. This character would be the height of heresy within Islam, regardless of wearing a hijab.
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I've thought about this too, and upon reflection I think they don't care about fidelity to Islam at all. I think they're trying to Westernize it in media so young people are less disgusted by it when they see a bunch of uncomfortable burkas at a beach in LA. I dunno, just a thought.
 
FrancineCansMcGee said:
Neil Gayman rapes multiple women, Republicans pounce.

I just want to take this opportunity to say I've tried to read a couple of his books before and they suck.
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Miriam Margoyles said:
Neil Gaiman's books are shit and I would not have sex with him.
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Care to explain how they suck? From what I've read about them they seem really terrible, but would love to hear from people who've actually read them.
 
Mayhem said:
Neil Gaiman grew up as a Scientologist and left his family to hook up with Amanda Palmer, a thot and crusty busker. Neil wanted to sow his oats with her because he grew up uwu oppressed in a cult and didn’t want to be a married father anymore. Amanda finally made the decision to have a baby with him after years of marriage, and he promptly abandoned her and said baby to fuck babysitters and groupies like a proper Jude Law. Nothing about this is surprising to anyone familiar with Gaiman’s history (or the history of narcissistic moids in general). However, Good Omens is the pooner fandom du jour after the miniseries aired on Amazon, so there are a lot of Gen Z genderspecials taking it as a personal affront that he is being MeTooed.
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I remain convinced that the good of Good Omens comes from Terry Pratchett. That second series on Amazon was complete fucking shit. It was like fan fiction.
 
JCnGGd32 said:
I had taken it to mean that they would shit in some sort of chamber pot (like other British people pre-indoor plumbing) and then vanish it from there.

I don’t know why people are so upset. It’s historical fact that people used to shit in the streets or throw shit out of windows. In many places they still do. At least the wizards and witches can delete the evidence.
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(Forgot to post this.) The castle's indoor plumbing is a major plot element in the second book. It's how the basilisk (giant snake) gets around the school and why Harry has been hearing voices (because he can talk to snakes). The entrance to the titular chamber of secrets is located behind a sink. I refuse to believe she was being serious with that answer.
 
Peepeepoopoo Witch said:
Care to explain how they suck? From what I've read about them they seem really terrible, but would love to hear from people who've actually read them.
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I've read American Gods and some of the short stories, and basically he was ahead of the game on diversity for diversity's sake - american gods was published in 2001 and had the main character be mixed race to make commentary about the prison system, when we never hear about or meet his mother and it's never relevant. Basically so he can also write about the norse gods without any of the norse gods seeming racist because (massive spoiler) Odin is his dad and therefore once loved a black woman. Also because he was ahead of the game, his version of caribbean trickster god was so popular (with white people) that he ended up writing a spin off around Anansi's son, which he's never been criticised for even thought by current day standards he should be. But he's flanneled himself with so many other diversity points he's immune. (I haven't read it).

In his famous 1998 short story collection, Smoke and Mirrors, he really hits on a bunch of tropes that became huge over the next 20 years - a story about plastic surgery and sex changes in LA, some dark fairy tale retellings, tarot stuff, spooky cursed objects, scary children, Lovecraft in the present day, Lovecraft in Sherlock. He's not necessarily the best writer but he really hit it out the park in terms of genre shit people were going to get into, and he also did some superhero comic writing and created the Sandman comics which are about being immortal beings who are sad about being immortal, and one of the earliest trans women in comics. Idk I haven't read those either.

But he also just does things because it would dramatic / edgy rather than having a good reason. Like for some reason one of his really famous scary stories is one where the narrator looks down through an upstairs window and sees a grinning woman under a lamp-post, who is clearly a ghost. That is literally all that happens. It's become like a meme to talk about how it's one of the most chilling things you've ever read, to show that you are intellectual and you get it. A lot of his work is like that - you're supposed to fill in the gaps for why everything is actually very deep and meaningful. Also he's not very descriptive, he'll basically tell you what colour something is and that's it.

The man's been a porn addict since about 1999; there is a lot of unnecessary porny sex scenes, like with American Gods his idea of worldbuilding is a sex scene where a Djinn swaps bodies by having a guy suck his dick and there's this whole thing about his jizz is spicy, and then another sex scene where an african love goddess is working as a street prostitute, shrinks a guy while having sex with him until he completely fits inside her vagina and then crushes him. And none of this is plot relevant. A weirdly large amount of the villains are scary, often sexy, mothers. I was surprised he had a kid at all and assume that Amanda talked him into it.

That said he again totally got it right with the LA sex change story (you can sex change at will with a pill) where it starts as a cure for a genuine medical need (cancer) but quickly becomes a celebrity designer drug used for orgies.
 
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