Rotherham Rape Trials

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The scandal of organised Pakistani pedophillia-rape gangs being turned a blind eye to by the police with collusion from local labour councillors and allowed to prey on white girls is by now widely known. For those who missed it, I'm not exaggerating and things were as bad as they sound with the police ignoring complaints as they did not want to be seen as 'racist' and those within the local council who tried to do something being sent on 'diversity and tolerance' courses.

Disgusting as all that was the dam eventually broke and public horror forced resignations, investigations and inquiries most of which are still ongoing. The public outcry was also in many ways the straw that broke camels back as far as the UK PC culture that grew up in the 2000s was concerned. Sites like the guardian initially ran disgraceful stories accusing those trying to break the news as racists and then tried to ignore the issue. The public backlash was considerable and there can be little doubt the rise in support for UKIP specifically and right wing policies generally is directly linked. Where before accusations of racism were effectively used by a certain segment of the left to shut down their opponents people are now unafraid now to tell them to fuck off- a recurring theme in the comment section of almost any article on Islam in the uk, refugees or the eu.

Public criticism of Islam has become much more common since and appearing to give any special concessions to that group is political suicide as Ed Milliband found to his cost during last years general election.

I'm mentioning all this again because the first five accused have been found guilty:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...hers-jailed-over-rotherham-child-sexual-abuse

Sentenced to 35,25,19 and 10 years respectively. In practice those first three are likely to serve 30, 20 and fifteen years-almost all of which will be in solitary for their own safety. While not perfect or in my view enough this seems like something approaching the beginnings of justice. Hopefully the rest of the sick bastards will get something similar.

However the pedos themselves are only one side of the coin and the cowards within the police and council are the other. Naturally the victims wish to assess the possibility of a suit for failure. A lot of public law in the uk is done on the basis of informal convention and in a case like this where the police complaints commission and crown office are assessing official sanction one would expect the police to comply with requests from the victims for the records of how the complaints were handled esp as public bodies in the uk are required to be able to justify themselves and their actions to the public when asked in writing.

It is therefore shocking that the victims lawyers have had to file for a court order to force the police's hand. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-sexual-abuse-victims-to-take-police-to-court
For the police to refuse to cooperate is a serious breach of convention.

I have, in the past, ragged on Scotland s prosecution for being too controlling and beaurocratic when dealing with the police. Until very recently (and during the 20 years the offences were taking place) police in England were in the opposite position with almost complete freedom and no public prosecution or independent commission to reign them in or monitor them. The whole situation is disgusting and highlights the dangers of allowing politics into the police and of not having adequate oversight by an independent third party.
 
However the pedos themselves are only one side of the coin and the cowards within the police and council are the other. Naturally the victims wish to assess the possibility of a suit for failure. A lot of public law in the uk is done on the basis of informal convention and in a case like this where the police complaints commission and crown office are assessing official sanction one would expect the police to comply with requests from the victims for the records of how the complaints were handled esp as public bodies in the uk are required to be able to justify themselves and their actions to the public when asked in writing.

It is therefore shocking that the victims lawyers have had to file for a court order to force the police's hand. http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-sexual-abuse-victims-to-take-police-to-court
For the police to refuse to cooperate is a serious breach of convention.
Is there anything like FOIA there? (I don't know if such records would be available under FOIA here though. I don't know the exemptions well enough.)
 
Is there anything like FOIA there? (I don't know if such records would be available under FOIA here though. I don't know the exemptions well enough.)
yes there is a FOIA but it contains

30Investigations and proceedings conducted by public authorities.
(1)Information held by a public authority is exempt information if it has at any time been held by the authority for the purposes of—

(a)any investigation which the public authority has a duty to conduct with a view to it being ascertained—

(i)whether a person should be charged with an offence, or

(ii)whether a person charged with an offence is guilty of it,

(b)any investigation which is conducted by the authority and in the circumstances may lead to a decision by the authority to institute criminal proceedings which the authority has power to conduct, or

(c)any criminal proceedings which the authority has power to conduct.

(2)Information held by a public authority is exempt information if—

(a)it was obtained or recorded by the authority for the purposes of its functions relating to—

(i)investigations falling within subsection (1)(a) or (b),

(ii)criminal proceedings which the authority has power to conduct,

(iii)investigations (other than investigations falling within subsection (1)(a) or (b)) which are conducted by the authority for any of the purposes specified in section 31(2) and either by virtue of Her Majesty’s prerogative or by virtue of powers conferred by or under any enactment, or

(iv)civil proceedings which are brought by or on behalf of the authority and arise out of such investigations, and

(b)it relates to the obtaining of information from confidential sources.

which in laymans is a section designed to exempt the police.
 
yes there is a FOIA but it contains



which in laymans is a section designed to exempt the police.
Yeah, they have something like that here as well (exemption 7). I just can't tell if it means "the cops better have a damn good reason to keep it secret" OR "it's the cops, they do what they want, lol, fuck you".

Like, it seems to me that the focus of the US FOIA exemption (7)(A) suggests that information relevant to a case can be kept secret only as long as it might impact the case. Once there's a conviction, it should all be free (other exemptions aside). I can't really tell though, I'm not a lawyer.

(And of course, this is all off topic to the case at hand.)
 
Yeah, they have something like that here as well (exemption 7). I just can't tell if it means "the cops better have a damn good reason to keep it secret" OR "it's the cops, they do what they want, lol, fuck you".

Like, it seems to me that the focus of the US FOIA exemption (7)(A) suggests that information relevant to a case can be kept secret only as long as it might impact the case. Once there's a conviction, it should all be free (other exemptions aside). I can't really tell though, I'm not a lawyer.

(And of course, this is all off topic to the case at hand.)

It roughly means that they can only withhold the information under specific circumstances. There has to be real harm that can occur as a result of disclosure--such as an innocent person or witness in a sensitive trial getting doxxed, preventing a fair trial, or impeding an ongoing investigation--or it would reveal constitutionally legit investigation techniques that would make law enforcement extraordinarily difficult. That kind of thing.
 
The way this whole thing was handled from beginning to end was a farce and the forces in question need to be held accountable for there lack of action.

They went well beyond callous inaction and into actively facilitating crime.
 
They went well beyond callous inaction and into actively facilitating crime.

I think it goes beyond that even, I don't know how familiar you are with the cases in question but the Police where intimidated by PC culture of even investigating the accusations, before this cultural and racial tensions where not exactly great with the Muslim community in the north of the UK but now they are at a all time low partly as @Vitriol said because of this particular kind of case.

Other things have contributed to this in the last few years but this is the tip of the festering boil that's caused a lot of problems, and highlighted others within the Police.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-of-uk-citizenship-and-deported-a6896051.html

As a consequence of the public response the home Secretary (and @Ass Manager 3000 's bae) theresa may has announced
Asian dual nationals guilty of rape will forfeit their citizenship and be deported at the end of their sentence. This was already the case for those without British citizenship but the first time the powers have been exercised to strip away british citizenship outside of terrorist fighters.

Also some fucking morons murdered an 81 year old pakistani man on the basis that the trial proves all pakis are pedos. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-jailed-life-sickening-racist-7465386
 
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Seriously, why can't we bring back exile or execution? It's just so horrible to send obvious child rapists to a different location where it's probably even easier to rape children and get away with it.
There is a now unihabited island 40 miles off the coast of Scotland that used to support a small community of sheep fuckers farmers, there is a lighthouse and freshwater but no trees. We should just dump them there. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Kilda,_Scotland
 
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