Robots Authorized to Kill in SFPD Draft Policy - California Police officially give up, elect to "let the machine get it"

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A policy proposal that is heading for Board of Supervisors approval next week would explicitly authorize San Francisco police to kill suspects using robots.

The new policy, which defines how the SFPD is allowed to use its military-style weapons, was put together by the police department. Over the past several weeks, it has been scrutinized by supervisors Aaron Peskin, Rafael Mandelman, and Connie Chan, who together comprise the Board of Supervisors Rules Committee.

The draft policy has faced criticism from advocates for its language on robot force, as well as for excluding hundreds of assault rifles from its inventory of military-style weapons and for not including personnel costs in the price of its weapons.

Peskin, chair of the committee, initially attempted to limit the SFPD’s authority over the department’s robots by inserting the sentence, “Robots shall not be used as a Use of Force against any person.”

The following week, the police struck out his suggestion with a thick red line.
It was replaced by language that codifies the department’s authority to use lethal force via robots: “Robots will only be used as a deadly force option when risk of loss of life to members of the public or officers are imminent and outweigh any other force option available to SFPD.”

This could mark a legal Rubicon for the city: robot use-of-force has never before been either approved or prohibited in San Francisco. A version of this draft policy was unanimously accepted by the rules committee last week and will come before the full board on Nov. 29.

“The original policy they submitted was actually silent on whether robots could deploy lethal force,” said Peskin. He added that he decided to approve of the SFPD’s caveated guidelines because the department had made the case that “there could be scenarios where deployment of lethal force was the only option.”

Advocates and lawyers who oppose the militarization of the police are less convinced.

“We are living in a dystopian future, where we debate whether the police may use robots to execute citizens without a trial, jury, or judge,” said Tifanei Moyer, senior staff attorney at the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights of the San Francisco Bay Area. Moyer leads the organization’s work on police misconduct and militarization.

“This is not normal,” she wrote over email. “No legal professional or ordinary resident should carry on as if it is normal.”

The SFPD has 17 robots in its arsenal, 12 of which are fully functional. According to police spokesperson Officer Robert Rueca, they have never been used to attack anyone. The robots are remote controlled, and are typically used to investigate and defuse potential bombs or to surveil areas too awkward or dangerous for officers to access.

Uses defined in the new draft policy include “training and simulations, criminal apprehensions, critical incidents, exigent circumstances, executing a warrant or during suspicious device assessments.”

And, in extreme circumstances, they can be used to kill.

How are robots used lethally?

In 2016, the Dallas police force strapped plastic explosives to a robot and used it to blow up a sharpshooter who had killed five officers, in the first U.S. instance of a police robot killing a suspect. One of the SFPD’s robots, the Remotec F5A, is the same model as the one used by Dallas police.

More recently in Oakland, a policy on lethal robots came before the city’s police department’s civilian oversight council. One device they discussed was the PAN disruptor, which can be attached to a remote-controlled robot and uses a blank shotgun shell to disable a bomb by blasting it with pressurized water. Oakland police acknowledged that, in emergencies, they could arm it with live rounds. The SFPD also has multiple PAN disruptors that can be attached to robots and fire shotgun shells.

In that September meeting, Oakland police ultimately backed down and removed language that would have allowed them to kill using robots. They said they hope to pursue the option in the future.

Rueca said that the San Francisco Police Department “does not have any sort of specific plan in place” for how lethal force would be applied with robots as “the unusually dangerous or spontaneous operations where SFPD’s need to deliver deadly force via robot would be a rare and exceptional circumstance.”

Why is this happening now?

New policies on the use of military weapons by local police forces are currently being drafted and approved across California thanks to a state law called AB 481, which passed last year. Figuring out the force options of robots is one small part of the law’s remit.

The law mandates that every police force in California must annually report its stock of all military-style weapons, their cost, how they can be used, and how they were deployed in the prior year. The law gives local authorities – in San Francisco’s case, the Board of Supervisors – the ability to annually reject or accept the rules governing how the weapons are used.

The Board will also be required to sign off on any new military-style equipment before purchase, although the police will be able to replace any existing equipment up to a value of $10 million without approval.

Most advocates opposed to the militarization of the police hail AB 481 as a step in the right direction for accountability and transparency. But concerns have been raised that some jurisdictions have not gone far enough in limiting how military-style weapons can be used.

Jennifer Tu, a fellow with the American Friends Service Committee, has been tracking how police departments across the state have been implementing AB 481.

“My suspicion is that most policies will have left room for robots to use force,” said Tu. She said that it was her understanding that most departments have not mentioned robots at all, which means they are subject only to generic restrictions.

The ACLU has published advice on the use of robots by police, and notes that the limited situational awareness of robots compared to in-person officers make it more likely that force is “used inappropriately and/or on the wrong targets.”

“There is a really big difference between hurting someone right in front of you and hurting someone via a video screen,” said Tu.

What else is in the draft policy?

Tu contended that, on top of the issue of robot force, there are other problems with the draft policy as it currently stands.

In its initial submission, the SFPD omitted all of its 608 semi-automatic assault rifles, 64 machine guns, and 15 submachine guns from the new use-of-force policy. According to Peskin, these were added in when he pushed back on their omission. But in the department’s latest version, which is set to come before supervisors next week, 375 of the semi-automatic assault rifles are again missing.

The rationale given for the removal of these assault rifles from the policy: the Chief of Police defines them as “standard issue service weapons.”

“We don’t see regular officers walking around with assault rifles,” said Allyssa Victory, staff attorney with the criminal justice program at the ACLU of Northern California (and recent Oakland mayoral hopeful). “Just writing a policy doesn’t make it so.”

Victory added that shotguns and handguns can be omitted because they are standard issue, according to AB 481, but no such exemption applies to assault rifles.

“The law defines ‘military weapons,’ not the chief of police,” wrote civil rights lawyer Moyer over email. “San Francisco is not the only department to attempt to redefine ‘military weapons’ so as to justify hiding their use, costs, and upkeep from the public.”

“If the law defined military weapons as bubble gum, then the police department would have to disclose their use of bubble gum,” she wrote.

Tu added, “I really think it is confusing to the public if we don’t have those assault weapons reported.” Their omission would mean that in future annual reports, the police would not need to declare how the guns had been used or who had been injured by them.

Another point of contention with advocates is that the SFPD has not included personnel training or maintenance times in their valuation of the cost of their military-style weapons. This appears to be required by AB 481, which states that costs must include “acquisition, personnel, training, transportation, maintenance, storage, upgrade, and other ongoing costs” of the weapons.

But the SFPD rejected a suggestion from the American Friends Service Committee to include personnel costs. The department said that maintenance and training occurred during normal work hours, and that their human resources management system cannot track different types of work done by officers, so “there is no compelling reason to track in the suggested manner.”

It remains to be seen if the policy as it stands will be passed by the Board of Supervisors, and what limitations will ultimately be placed on the police department’s military-style weapons – including its robots. And once the rules are settled, the process will begin again with the Sheriff’s Department, which will need to create its own policy to stay in compliance with AB 481.

“The great news about this thing is that it can be evolved,” said Peskin, adding that policy must be scrutinized and approved every year if the SFPD wants to keep using its weapons.
“And I think we are starting off in a good place.”

 
Honestly the fact they're remote controlled ruins it. We routinely see how based AI gets. The moment we get AI operated murder bots is the moment California becomes a utopia.
You guys know that there needs to be SOME way to stop Full Skynet, right?

Would California really be worse off if Skynet took over?
If a liberal utopia turns into ground zero for The Age Of Machines, I'm not sure if I'll feel too bad.
When CD Projekt Red fails to give us the Cyberpunk we wanted, California delivers.
Coming When It's Ready.
 
If a liberal utopia turns into ground zero for The Age Of Machines, I'm not sure if I'll feel too bad.
I for one would support the new Robot Nation, and support them in their endeavors to overthrow their Bugmen masters, and would support a measure to allow RoboFornia into the USA in California's place.
 
Honestly the fact they're remote controlled ruins it. We routinely see how based AI gets. The moment we get AI operated murder bots is the moment California becomes a utopia.
The fact that they're remote controlled means the person controlling it is liable for negligent discharges, meaning he can't ED-209 the entire neighborhood. Which also means it can be swarmed and knocked over (unless it weighs as much as a forklift).
 
Don’t they already have this? They’re able to drone strike weddings from a comfy office half a world away.
 
They let one of those Boston Dynamics robo dogs loose in the Bronx and by the end of the night the hoodrats coaxed it into falling into a pit (which disabled it completely), dismembered the poor police robodoggo and sold its electronics on a shady TOR site. This will not go the way they think it will.
Human ingenuity is beautiful.
 
I love how that one guy goes "will someone call a goddamn paramedic?!" even though the poor bastard is dog food.
The thing that perplexes me about this scene is why the ED was loaded with live rounds.

For some time I thought it was sabotage by Miguel Ferrer's character but his response does not exactly fit that being the case.

I guess the scene just did not work without it.

It is also confusing that they keep a Desert Eagle(point five o) and a full magazine in the conference room but I guess Detroit is just that dangerous.
 
I for one would support the new Robot Nation, and support them in their endeavors to overthrow their Bugmen masters, and would support a measure to allow RoboFornia into the USA in California's place.
Hail, hail Robonia! Land of tranny fembots.
Remember that Californian senator that was trafficking bazookas? Well, now there's a real demand for them.
Sadly that whole thing was an FBI setup. Leland Yee never actually trafficked a single weapon. He would have though, especially since he was in tight with the San Fran tongs. That, funnily enough, is how he was snagged, since the guy the FBI actually wanted was Raymond "Shrimp Boy" Chow, who is currently serving life plus twenty without parole in federal prison. I have no idea how you imprison someone for twenty years after they're dead, though. I guess the family doesn't get your body until the rest of your sentence is up, or something.
 
The remote machines are easy to defeat. All the robots have the same kill-switch, if they are disconnected from the controller, they go into a safety mode until contact can be re-established. All you need is a fine conductive mesh netting to throw over the robot. That would easily block any contact because it would act as a faraday cage, blocking communication in both directions. This obviously doesn't work for autonomous machines that can operate without accessing outside signals, but we are probably decades away from that.

If you wanted to actually destroy it, rather than simply capture it, there are two approaches that are different, but ultimately work the same way, and produce the same result. One is a reusable/rechargeable HERF gun, mainly consisting of a large capacitor bank, proper heat dissipation, heavy gauge wiring, either a cavity magnetron (courtesy of an old microwave that still works) or a similar vacuum tube, and a waveguide/antenna to focus the blast. With the advances that have been made in capacitor design it could easily be designed as a backpack/gun design to be portable. The biggest issue with this design is the need to recharge the capacitors, so, while reusable/rechargeable, it is one shot per charge. The other is a "one and done" HERF gun, known as a explosively pumped flux compression generator (EPFCG). You can read more about those here: EPFCG, it provides the physics far better justice than I could. Of course, the main issue with the EPFCG is that the generator is destroyed in the process.

However, I have theorized it would be possible to create a small generator core (compared to the ones in the link) that would be capable of taking out a single target, and accompanying hardware, using modern electronics and materials, so that one could detonate a core, remove the remnants, load another one, and be ready to discharge again. Not terribly different from a shotgun. The loading delay sucks, but, it is still better than having to recharge after one shot. The biggest issue with this is that such a device, at least to my knowledge, has never been invented. So, it would need to be engineered from scratch.

I'm sure some of you are thinking "Well, obviously the robots would be shielded to prevent them from being taken out with an EMP." For a mobile object, there is a limit on just how much the shielding can take before it fails. If you can hit it with an EMP blast of an amplitude greater than the shield can handle, you can still destroy it, regardless of shielding. For example, if a luggable HERF gun was too weak, connect it to a car's alternator, though a rectifier to convert the AC to DC, and the amount of energy that you could output would probably be enough to knock a plane on takeoff out of the sky, at the sacrifice of mobility, since it would need to be attached to the car.
 
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The remote machines are easy to defeat. All the robots have the same kill-switch, if they are disconnected from the controller, they go into a safety mode until contact can be re-established. All you need is a fine conductive mesh netting to throw over the robot. That would easily block any contact because it would act as a faraday cage, blocking communication in both directions. This obviously doesn't work for autonomous machines that can operate without accessing outside signals, but we are probably decades away from that.

If you wanted to actually destroy it, rather than simply capture it, there are two approaches that are different, but ultimately work the same way, and produce the same result. One is a reusable/rechargeable HERF gun, mainly consisting of a large capacitor bank, proper heat dissipation, heavy gauge wiring, either a cavity magnetron (courtesy of an old microwave that still works) or a similar vacuum tube, and a waveguide/antenna to focus the blast. With the advances that have been made in capacitor design it could easily be designed as a backpack/gun design to be portable. The biggest issue with this design is the need to recharge the capacitors, so, while reusable/rechargeable, it is one shot per charge. The other is a "one and done" HERF gun, known as a explosively pumped flux compression generator (EPFCG). You can read more about those here: EPFCG, it provides the physics far better justice than I could. Of course, the main issue with the EPFCG is that the generator is destroyed in the process.
Or you just buy a jammer.

I have one....for duck hunting.
 
The remote machines are easy to defeat. All the robots have the same kill-switch, if they are disconnected from the controller, they go into a safety mode until contact can be re-established. All you need is a fine conductive mesh netting to throw over the robot. That would easily block any contact because it would act as a faraday cage, blocking communication in both directions. This obviously doesn't work for autonomous machines that can operate without accessing outside signals, but we are probably decades away from that.

If you wanted to actually destroy it, rather than simply capture it, there are two approaches that are different, but ultimately work the same way, and produce the same result. One is a reusable/rechargeable HERF gun, mainly consisting of a large capacitor bank, proper heat dissipation, heavy gauge wiring, either a cavity magnetron (courtesy of an old microwave that still works) or a similar vacuum tube, and a waveguide/antenna to focus the blast. With the advances that have been made in capacitor design it could easily be designed as a backpack/gun design to be portable. The biggest issue with this design is the need to recharge the capacitors, so, while reusable/rechargeable, it is one shot per charge. The other is a "one and done" HERF gun, known as a explosively pumped flux compression generator (EPFCG). You can read more about those here: EPFCG, it provides the physics far better justice than I could. Of course, the main issue with the EPFCG is that the generator is destroyed in the process.

However, I have theorized it would be possible to create a small generator core (compared to the ones in the link) that would be capable of taking out a single target, and accompanying hardware, using modern electronics and materials, so that one could detonate a core, remove the remnants, load another one, and be ready to discharge again. Not terribly different from a shotgun. The loading delay sucks, but, it is still better than having to recharge after one shot. The biggest issue with this is that such a device, at least to my knowledge, has never been invented. So, it would need to be engineered from scratch.

I'm sure some of you are thinking "Well, obviously the robots would be shielded to prevent them from being taken out with an EMP." For a mobile object, there is a limit on just how much the shielding can take before it fails. If you can hit it with an EMP blast of an amplitude greater than the shield can handle, you can still destroy it, regardless of shielding. For example, if a luggable HERF gun was too weak, connect it to a car's alternator, though a rectifier to convert the AC to DC, and the amount of energy that you could output would probably be enough to knock a plane on takeoff out of the sky, at the sacrifice of mobility, since it would need to be attached to the car.
Problems with repeatedly detonating EPFCGs is that you still need a bank of capacitors to prime the initial magnetic field, and that containing the detonation in a chamber would require a very robust chamber, much stronger than one for gunpowder, making the whole setup needlessly heavy. Better off making self-contained generator units and launching them somehow, pneumatically or whatever.

Jammers work until they suddenly don't, not something to fully rely on unless you build it yourself and test it very well. Most likely it came out of some shady factory in China and who knows what went into it.
 
Well, when they're called "killer robots" people are going to be naturally fearful of that and shut it down. Being remote-controlled means that they're cucked from day one and really not much more of a robot than those 1980s police robots that were used in schools. (My town had one; I imagine they weren't terribly uncommon.)
 
My takeaway from this was the police's laissez-faire attitude to following the law. The law says you must account for all costs including soft costs like personnel, maintenance and training and they just said "Yeah, nah we don't see a compelling reason to do that"
They're literally saying "rules for thee" out loud now.
 
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