🐱 Robert E. Lee opposed Confederate monuments

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http://www.businessinsider.com/robert-e-lee-opposed-confederate-monuments-2017-8


Debates about the removal of Confederate statues have been ongoing for many years, and opponents of removing the monuments often decry such attempts as an attempt to erase history.

In light of all this, it's probably best to remember one relevant historical fact: Robert E. Lee was opposed to Confederate monuments.

“It’s often forgotten that Lee himself, after the Civil War, opposed monuments, specifically Confederate war monuments,” Jonathan Horn, a Lee biographer, told PBS.

After the Civil War, Lee received a number of letters requesting support for the erection of Confederate memorials, according to Horn.

In June 1866, he wrote that he couldn't support a monument of one of his best generals, Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson, saying it wasn't "feasible at this time."

"As regards the erection of such a monument as is contemplated," Lee wrote in December 1866 about another proposed Confederate monument, "my conviction is, that however grateful it would be to the feelings of the South, the attempt in the present condition of the Country, would have the effect of retarding, instead of accelerating its accomplishment; [and] of continuing, if not adding to, the difficulties under which the Southern people labour."

Not only was Lee opposed to Confederate memorials, "he favored erasing battlefields from the landscape altogether," Horn wrote.

He even supported getting rid of the Confederate flag after the Civil War ended, and didn't want them them flying above Washington College, which he was president of after the war.

"Lee did not want such divisive symbols following him to the grave," Horn wrote. "At his funeral in 1870, flags were notably absent from the procession. Former Confederate soldiers marching did not don their old military uniforms, and neither did the body they buried."

“His Confederate uniform would have been ‘treason’ perhaps!” Lee’s daughter wrote, according to Horn.

"Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker,” Horn told PBS. “He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive."
 
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neg rates = actual racists
 
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Jackson and Washington were both opposed to having their image on currency but it still happened.


lol

If you disagree with me you're wrong.
Well yeah, if you disagree with facts you're wrong.
 
Kinda funny that Lee himself addressed the potential controversy of those monuments with more tact than the people currently reeeeeing over them.

Then again I'm not surprised, a rabid squirrel has more tact than the people currently reeeeeing over those monuments.
 
If I remember correctly, Lee actually opposed seceding from the Union, and only fought for the Confederate army because he was loyal to his home state of Virginia. He didn't like slavery that much, either.
 
In light of all this, it's probably best to remember one relevant historical fact: Robert E. Lee was opposed to Confederate monuments.
The thing is: does his opinion really matter?
Also, in terms of the article, it sounds more like Lee was opposed to setting up monuments since they might lead to political problems between the victors and the defeated.
 
If I remember correctly, Lee actually opposed seceding from the Union, and only fought for the Confederate army because he was loyal to his home state of Virginia. He didn't like slavery that much, either.

He did say Virginia would fare better if they got rid of slavery, in his words it would bring trouble to the South.
 
KF is an alt-right haven, so I suspect this thread will be met with silence or "fake news" comments as it goes against their narrative.

neg rates = actual racists
I think you're feeling bold because IWC isn't around to say "kys tranny"
 
"Lee believed countries that erased visible signs of civil war recovered from conflicts quicker,” Horn told PBS. “He was worried that by keeping these symbols alive, it would keep the divisions alive."

Lee was right, of course, and his opinion was shared by many.

As pointed out, most of these monuments weren't created until decades later.

Also, current events more or less bear out his opinion.

If I remember correctly, Lee actually opposed seceding from the Union, and only fought for the Confederate army because he was loyal to his home state of Virginia. He didn't like slavery that much, either.

I don't think that most people appreciate that at the time of the Civil War, the country itself was little over 60 years old (or in its 80s if you date it from the Declaration of Independence rather than the Constitution). There were people still living older than the federal government and it was not itself something people felt much loyalty to. Like Lee, they considered themselves citizens of the state where they lived first.

Kinda funny that Lee himself addressed the potential controversy of those monuments with more tact than the people currently reeeeeing over them.

As far as tact goes, you don't get worse than Nazis. Even the antifa scum, who are about as bad as they are, will get a free pass from the media almost no matter what they do.

Nazis not only associate any cause they endorse as being something supported by Nazis, and therefore energize whoever is opposing it, they also make it virtually impossible for any sensible people who share their views on a specific issue, like that statues of Robert E. Lee shouldn't just be taken down wherever they are, to express an opinion that way without also being considered Nazis immediately.

So if they want more statues taken down, Nazis should keep demonstrating in support of them.
 
So if they want more statues taken down, Nazis should keep demonstrating in support of them.


I do wish the KKK, Neo-Nazis and Antifa would fuck off they make any debate a shitstorm of retardation and extreme views and the actual debate gets removed and replaced with pointing at these groups supporting or denouncing it. Then the stupid protest fights begin where both groups arm themselves looking for a fight and from that point on the debate can never recover and all we get is kneejerk reactions to anything similar.
 
I do wish the KKK, Neo-Nazis and Antifa would fuck off they make any debate a shitstorm of exceptionalism and extreme views and the actual debate gets removed and replaced with pointing at these groups supporting or denouncing it. Then the stupid protest fights begin where both groups arm themselves looking for a fight and from that point on the debate can never recover and all we get is kneejerk reactions to anything similar.

Let them kill each other.
 
Let them kill each other.
It's not like they haven't already, and it was far more brutal than any Challenger of Peace.
The Greensboro massacre is the term for an event which took place on November 3, 1979, when members of the Communist Workers' Party and others demonstrated in a Brown Lung in Textile Workers march in Greensboro, North Carolina, United States. The CWP, which had advocated that Klan members should be "physically beaten and chased out of town", engaged in a shootout with members of the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party. Four members of the Communist Workers' Party, and one other individual were killed and eleven other demonstrators and a Klansman were wounded. The CWP had supported workers' rights activism among mostly black textile industrial workers in the area.
 
It's not like they haven't already, and it was far more brutal than any Challenger of Peace.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5oxh5-hq6mc
The Greensboro massacre is the term for an event which took place on November 3, 1979, when members of the Communist Workers' Party and others demonstrated in a Brown Lung in Textile Workers march in Greensboro, North Carolina, United States. The CWP, which had advocated that Klan members should be "physically beaten and chased out of town", engaged in a shootout with members of the Ku Klux Klan and the American Nazi Party. Four members of the Communist Workers' Party, and one other individual were killed and eleven other demonstrators and a Klansman were wounded. The CWP had supported workers' rights activism among mostly black textile industrial workers in the area.
And nothing of value was lost.
 
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