Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

[niggers]

it really seems like zaid wants to "own the misogynerds" more than he wants waid to actually win the case lol

also did waid seriously think if he sent a dozen texts saying "i'm not bullying you, right? right? you're doing this because you're a good goy, and i'm not bullying you right? when people ask you'll tell em i didn't bully you, right? my friend?" he'd somehow be shielded from legal repercussions.

 

[rabo]

it really seems like zaid wants to "own the misogynerds" more than he wants waid to actually win the case lol

also did waid seriously think if he sent a dozen texts saying "i'm not bullying you, right? right? you're doing this because you're a good goy, and i'm not bullying you right? when people ask you'll tell em i didn't bully you, right? my friend?" he'd somehow be shielded from legal repercussions.

I know right?
What could have possibly gone through his wrinkled head? If anything this shows that even Waid himself was aware he was being a bully.

 

[Water-T]

also did waid seriously think if he sent a dozen texts saying "i'm not bullying you, right? right? you're doing this because you're a good goy, and i'm not bullying you right? when people ask you'll tell em i didn't bully you, right? my friend?" he'd somehow be shielded from legal repercussions.

Waid sounds just like an abusive boyfriend in those posts.

"You're not going to tell the cops that I punched you, right? RIGHT? You're not going to turn on me, are you? Remember, you tripped and fell on the doorknob! If you just let me explain, i'll leave you alone, I promise! Yes, I know you said to stop texting you, but just listen to me!"

 

[AnOminous]

it really seems like zaid wants to "own the misogynerds" more than he wants waid to actually win the case lol

also did waid seriously think if he sent a dozen texts saying "i'm not bullying you, right? right? you're doing this because you're a good goy, and i'm not bullying you right? when people ask you'll tell em i didn't bully you, right? my friend?" he'd somehow be shielded from legal repercussions.

He didn't think. He was completely out of control, a deranged wreck of a man completely freaking out.

 

[boulderblundermatt90]

I'd bet if Zaid contributed anything whatsoever to this motion, it was the nonsensical, irrelevant tirades about Meyer that had nothing to do with jurisdiction, since Zaid apparently is completely oblivious as to what the case is even about. If not, he's not said a single word that betrays any knowledge of what is even in the case, and what he has said is actively harmful to his client's case.

what if that's the point?

 

[RodgerDodger]

I know right?
What could have possibly gone through his wrinkled head? If anything this shows that even Waid himself was aware he was being a bully.

Oh it’s not “if anything”. Those texts clearly show that Waid fully understood what it was that he was doing, and that he further sought to influence the parties once he realized he was in legal jeopardy. There is no other possible interpretation.

And these statements being out there can quickly become a major problem for Waid if he attempts anymore crowdfunding. Much of his prior round came from comic pros who if word is to be believed, were encouraged to donate by one or more major “vice principles” at Marvel and DC. But given these statements and actions from Waid, the Mouse legal team will likely step in and say “no more”. Nothing that can be traced back to them. All it takes is one contract peon to declare “my editor told me I had to donate” to drag the mouse into an FTC issue. One in which complaints were already filed. No matter how you slice it Waid is bad optics.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

what if that's the point?

Considering the state of the physical/mainstream comics industry, Marvel IP is the only thing of value to Disney. I think they keep it around for propaganda value, but propaganda that never leaves the store shelves has no value. And the staff have no value.

There is however SJW propaganda value in blaming the collapse on that evil right wing comicsgate for taking comics away from the people. Truly it's someone elses fault. Not Marvel/Disneys.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Considering the state of the physical/mainstream comics industry, Marvel IP is the only thing of value to Disney. I think they keep it around for propaganda value, but propaganda that never leaves the store shelves has no value. And the staff have no value.

There is however SJW propaganda value in blaming the collapse on that evil right wing comicsgate for taking comics away from the people. Truly it's someone elses fault. Not Marvel/Disneys.

The main thing at Marvel Publishing is, though, that Disney isn't as in charge as people think; it's mostly still Ike Perlmutter. He kept control of the publishing wing in the buyout, and had to be removed forcibly from the movie side of things by Disney. If you look at the history of Marvel in the comics over the past 2 decades, it can be traced to the marketing department being in charge, a decision by Perlmutter to push sales (look to the Clone Saga of Spider-Man). Marketing departments are still trying to understand online behavior, and they are looking at Tumblr posts and responses because it gets the most exposure, so it must be the right direction.

And to think that Marvel Publishing would tank sales just to spite someone, look no further to the treatment the X-books have been getting for 15 years; this is editorial push coming from Perlmutter because he was pissed that the Fox wouldn't give him back the movie rights when they turned out to be worth something. It's also why the Fantastic Four was killed the summer before Fant4stic came out; in the hopes of tanking movie ticket sales.

Yes, I am an old-era comic book dork. That said, you can really see where this begins, with the end of the Jim Shooter era at Marvel, and the beginning of the Toy Biz era (the toy company Perlmutter owns and the reason he bought the Marvel). The push moved heavily over into spectacle and aping whatever was popular on TV and movies. They even took a case to the Supreme Court (Toy Biz V United States) to prove that Mutants weren't Human to reduce the tariff they paid on the toys.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

The main thing at Marvel Publishing is, though, that Disney isn't as in charge as people think; it's mostly still Ike Perlmutter. He kept control of the publishing wing in the buyout, and had to be removed forcibly from the movie side of things by Disney. If you look at the history of Marvel in the comics over the past 2 decades, it can be traced to the marketing department being in charge, a decision by Perlmutter to push sales (look to the Clone Saga of Spider-Man). Marketing departments are still trying to understand online behavior, and they are looking at Tumblr posts and responses because it gets the most exposure, so it must be the right direction.

I'm an old comics guy as well but I have yet to see a single aspect of any Disney business that didn't take it's orders from the top.

I completely agree with Marketing having a big say however Disney's marketing and Marvels are both targeting the tumblr crowd. Thus Whamminz like Capt. Marvel suddenly becoming a big deal. For disney, look how many 'updates' to their properties are woke. It ain't Walt's vision to ramrod SJW themes throughout their programming. It's about agenda. And that agenda utterly failed in comics.

 

[Slartibartfast]

I'm an old comics guy as well but I have yet to see a single aspect of any Disney business that didn't take it's orders from the top.

I completely agree with Marketing having a big say however Disney's marketing and Marvels are both targeting the tumblr crowd. Thus Whamminz like Capt. Marvel suddenly becoming a big deal. For disney, look how many 'updates' to their properties are woke. It ain't Walt's vision to ramrod SJW themes throughout their programming. It's about agenda. And that agenda utterly failed in comics.

I may be wrong, of course, but that was my understanding as to what's going on in regards to the publishing wing at Marvel. As to Disney getting involved with the IP, I've felt Marvel Action was kind of a sign as to how Disney felt about the way Marvel Publishing is handling the properties. Same goes for Star Wars and Disney Comics also being published out of house at IDW rather than in the massive publishing arm they just purchased; it's supposition and gut feeling, but it struck me as a strong sign as to how Disney felt about Marvel Publishing.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

I may be wrong, of course, but that was my understanding as to what's going on in regards to the publishing wing at Marvel. As to Disney getting involved with the IP, I've felt Marvel Action was kind of a sign as to how Disney felt about the way Marvel Publishing is handling the properties. Same goes for Star Wars and Disney Comics also being published out of house at IDW rather than in the massive publishing arm they just purchased; it's supposition and gut feeling, but it struck me as a strong sign as to how Disney felt about Marvel Publishing.

The thing that always got me about the IDW deal was that if they were PO'd at Marvel, why not simply drop the hammer on their management and remove/replace? Or even just 'hand pick' some staff and tell Marvel how it was gonna be. IDW hasn't done well in sales in quite some time so I can't see them going to them as a profit move. And SW sales at IDW are abysmal.

I think disney has made some dumb decisions to be sure, but I can't square them cutting their own throat when other and better options were open to them.

 

[RodgerDodger]

The thing that always got me about the IDW deal was that if they were PO'd at Marvel, why not simply drop the hammer on their management and remove/replace? Or even just 'hand pick' some staff and tell Marvel how it was gonna be. IDW hasn't done well in sales in quite some time so I can't see them going to them as a profit move. And SW sales at IDW are abysmal.

I think disney has made some dumb decisions to be sure, but I can't square them cutting their own throat when other and better options were open to them.

Because here’s the core truth that nobody quite understands. The House of Mouse does not want to be a publishing house. This is a long-standing not simply policy but corporate philosophy. They have in the past shut down numerous publishing arms. This is why Lucasarts got shuttered so rapidly and game publishing outsourced. Publishing is not worth Disney’s time or effort. They get better returns outsourcing it and letting somebody else herd the autists. But they have a problem with Marvel. They bought it for the IP, studio and merchandising. But it’s left them stuck with this bloody comic publisher that they really don’t want, but getting rid of it would be incredibly bad PR. So they leave Ike alone up in New York, so long as he doesn’t lose too much money or they don’t bring too much bad press. (Nerd revolts don’t count! Nobody important cares about the whiny comic book nerds.) If the comic clowns are actively driving off consumers and killing the network of retailers? Better! It just hastens the day Disney can shitcan the lot of them.

 

[Slartibartfast]

The thing that always got me about the IDW deal was that if they were PO'd at Marvel, why not simply drop the hammer on their management and remove/replace? Or even just 'hand pick' some staff and tell Marvel how it was gonna be. IDW hasn't done well in sales in quite some time so I can't see them going to them as a profit move. And SW sales at IDW are abysmal.

I think disney has made some dumb decisions to be sure, but I can't square them cutting their own throat when other and better options were open to them.

As I understand it, part of the terms of the buyout was that Perlmutter was left in control of Marvel Entertainment, and that it would take a substantial amount of money to force him out; it's why it took until Civil War for Feige to convince Disney to step in and separate Marvel Studios from Marvel Publishing, as his penny pinching had reached a fevered pitch with that one. Perlmutter is still in charge of the TV adaptations (though not the Netflix ones).

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

As I understand it, part of the terms of the buyout was that Perlmutter was left in control of Marvel Entertainment, and that it would take a substantial amount of money to force him out; it's why it took until Civil War for Feige to convince Disney to step in and separate Marvel Studios from Marvel Publishing, as his penny pinching had reached a fevered pitch with that one. Perlmutter is still in charge of the TV adaptations (though not the Netflix ones).

I don't doubt you. But while he may be in charge, the Mouse still owns the house and it surprises me that they don't/didn't play financial hardball.

Because here’s the core truth that nobody quite understands. The House of Mouse does not want to be a publishing house.

To me it seems they want to use it for propaganda value until it exhausts itself or loses that value to the cause. And if they can make some cash in a hands off way, they'd be good with it. But yes, I realize they don't want to publish.

 

[DragoonSierra]

Hmmm wonder what will be in this "Brief".

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But Captain Marvel has always been both at different times.

Also shes not a transsexual you moron. Reword your shit super lawyer.

Waid had mentioned 'the industry' a bunch of times in his first round of deposition, indicating that a lot of people in the industry hate DnC (Joeming also talked about the pushback being from the industry). Include Waid's 'bring him to he, this will go wrong if its the wrong guy threat' from 2017? to show Waid thinks himself Kingmaker and animosity towards DnC for a long time...

Got a link to that?

Oh it’s not “if anything”. Those texts clearly show that Waid fully understood what it was that he was doing, and that he further sought to influence the parties once he realized he was in legal jeopardy. There is no other possible interpretation.

And these statements being out there can quickly become a major problem for Waid if he attempts anymore crowdfunding. Much of his prior round came from comic pros who if word is to be believed, were encouraged to donate by one or more major “vice principles” at Marvel and DC. But given these statements and actions from Waid, the Mouse legal team will likely step in and say “no more”. Nothing that can be traced back to them. All it takes is one contract peon to declare “my editor told me I had to donate” to drag the mouse into an FTC issue. One in which complaints were already filed. No matter how you slice it Waid is bad optics.

Not only that but you cant lie in your GoFundMe. After these statements came out and he says he needs more help to fight off a frivolous lawsuit which isnt so frivolous anymore he could get in trouble for that.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Not only that but you cant lie in your GoFundMe. After these statements came out and he says he needs more help to fight off a frivolous lawsuit which isnt so frivolous anymore he could get in trouble for that.

GoFundMe is not going to make such a call regarding a matter under litigation. They’ve found a nice niche funneling money to lawyers. The lawyers like it, and thus don’t bother them. They won’t mess with it and will happily sell arms to both sides in civil litigation.

 

[DragoonSierra]

GoFundMe is not going to make such a call regarding a matter under litigation. They’ve found a nice niche funneling money to lawyers. The lawyers like it, and thus don’t bother them. They won’t mess with it and will happily sell arms to both sides in civil litigation.

War is good for business... for some people

 

[LN 910]

Yes, I am an old-era comic book dork. That said, you can really see where this begins, with the end of the Jim Shooter era at Marvel, and the beginning of the Toy Biz era (the toy company Perlmutter owns and the reason he bought the Marvel). The push moved heavily over into spectacle and aping whatever was popular on TV and movies. They even took a case to the Supreme Court (Toy Biz V United States) to prove that Mutants weren't Human to reduce the tariff they paid on the toys.

Lmao doesn’t that go against the X-Men mantra?

 

[KingofNothing]

Lmao doesn’t that go against the X-Men mantra?

Yeah, but money tho

 

[ShittyRecolor]

Just Some Guy just dropped a video... Mark Waid might have fucked himself harder than Superman on Viagra.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=U4sQEaj_3dQ

JSG's Gollum expression of Waid is spot on, fits the fucker like a glove. Waid actually sounds like some villain from a shitty Saturday morning cartoon show, this is reaching Chris-Chan levels of absurdity. Kinda makes me glad I never cared for his work anyways, I can only imagine how shitty it must be for an aspiring young writer who loves his work to realize what a wretched little creature he truly is. Deciding against my childhood dream of becoming a superhero comic book artist seems more and more like a dodged bullet with each day.