Richard Meyer v. Mark Waid (2018)

[AnOminous]

The overwhelming majority of guys I knew were on it well after '04.

It might very well have been canceled before 2004 had there not been those attacks in 2001.

He is directly and deliberately marketing his product in that location. Do you think ?Mark didn’t list that con as a “business trip”?

I will bet you he damn well itemized it as a deduction.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I will bet you he damn well itemized it as a deduction.

And there is nothing wrong with that. It is in fact legitimately conducting business within his industry. It’s a legit deduction... up until he lies about it in court. Although that one would not appear on his taxes yet. So he still has time to cook the books.

 

[trigon]

The anthrax attacks were also probably by literal mad scientist Bruce Ivins, who sent out the anthrax because he was upset that his vaccination program was being canceled.

The anthrax attacks began in sept 2001, the petition that would lead to the injunction filed against the program was filed in oct 2001.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

I will bet you he damn well itemized it as a deduction.

Would that be something you could find in discovery? I'd think that yes, but the IRS generally plays by it's own rules when it comes to this stuff.

 

[AnOminous]

The anthrax attacks began in sept 2001, the petition that would lead to the injunction filed against the program was filed in oct 2001.

The program was already in deep shit and was highly unpopular. That's why Ivins had a motivation to create the appearance the vaccine he worked on was necessary.

Would that be something you could find in discovery? I'd think that yes, but the IRS generally plays by it's own rules when it comes to this stuff.

You can ask pretty much anything in deposition.

 

[DragoonSierra]

Let's just say other than Brianna Wu (who claimed GG was a vast conspiracy to ruin her life and get Trump elected and that the FBI was in on it) and the deranged mental-patients she surrounds herself with (such as Fruszina Eordogh), every single Anti-GGer worth their salt shut the fuck up about Gamergate for a bit, and never, ever mentioned the FBI again if they could help it. Bringing it up, for all intents and purposes, is an instant loss for them, and a big reason they distanced themselves from it. This left the Antis in a weird position; while they can cheerfully parrot the same talking points they always have, they'll run the fuck away if anyone brings up the FBI FOIA requests, since the options for defending againt it are largely limited to accusing them of being either in on GG or incompetent, both of which undermine their bottom line.

If Waid really does go through the route he's been talking, this may very well cause a similar outcome, because while there's doubtlessly numerous saved tweets of comicsgaters being poopheads to mister Waid and his bestest friends, there's undeniably far more incidents of Waid and his buddies being histrionic shrieking retards.

How does them saying the FBI was in on it or incompetent undermine their bottom line? Theyve never shied away from accusing Trump or anyone else of being Gamergate so why stop at the FBI?

 

[AnOminous]

How does them saying the FBI was in on it or incompetent undermine their bottom line? Theyve never shied away from accusing Trump or anyone else of being Gamergate so why stop at the FBI?

Because the FBI is good now because Orange Man Bad.

 

[Ichimaru Gin]

At first I thought Waid was overspending on a fancy lawyer to try and intimidate. Now I think this guy is the only person crazy enough to take him and his case seriously.

There's not enough popcorn in the world for this shit.

 

[DragoonSierra]

I was called a hero for "stopping" a vaccination program, now let's stop Comicsgate:
https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/1058598036895621120 https://archive.fo/VkvK1
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He got baited so easily:
https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/1058725893017927680 https://archive.fo/HtbxE
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Its not a good idea to complement the military with the social culture youre trying to appeal to Zaid

 

[Jaimas]

How does them saying the FBI was in on it or incompetent undermine their bottom line? Theyve never shied away from accusing Trump or anyone else of being Gamergate so why stop at the FBI?

Because it's a classic example of them fucking themselves over, and they will never own up to mistakes. There's plenty of other examples of this paradigm in action, such as many anti-Kavanaugh people who were clamoring for the FBI to look into Kavanaugh now refusing to mention the FBI now that they're actively doing a probe into Avenatti, but for my money, the best example was the glory that was Intimidation Game.

If you're not familiar with this absolutely magical bit of Autism during Gamergate, then strap in, because you're in for a fucking treat.

Spoiler: Intimidation Game

Pretend, for a few moments, that you're in the pit with the Anti-GGers. Despite de jour control of almost every social media platform, the support of an openly corrupt gaming press, and the help of pathologically lazy if not outright complicit mainstream press, you are, despite your best efforts, getting your ass handed to you by a bunch of spergs weaponizing their Autism. Their numbers are such that they can take over your hashtags and outmaneuver you on every front. Your attempts to strangle this hashtag when it was still small failed, third-party trolls targetting both sides are only succeed at making your own side worse, and elements on your side advocating physical assault and even genocide are making your side look, impossibly, even more Autistic than the gaming spergs.

This is where saner heads might reflect. "Did we handle this wrong?" They might ask. "should we have acknowledged our own culpability, and admitted wrongdoing?" Someone may question. "Maybe we shouldn't have attacked our own customers out of spite?" A third may have inquired.

"Nah, just blame everything on evil gamer nazis." Someone replied. And you know what? Those gamer assholes are going to fucking pay.

And so Anti-GGers contacted the staff behind Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, and demanded they do an episode about Gamergate. eventually, it was announced that such an episode was going to be made, and for several weeks, Anti-GGers talked up the upcoming episode, crowing that this episode would for realzies defeat that dastardly Gilbertgottfried because it was going to blow the lid off of it and show what the evil hashtag was really like.

....On February 15th, 2015, the episode aired:

General consensus amongst both SVU fans and GG supporters alike is that it's one of the most unintentionally funny things ever made. Even Wu's infamous The Internet Ruined My Life appearance has nothing on how much of a glorious train-wreck this fucking episode is. Featuring a lazy Anita Sarkeesian knockoff, Raina Punjabi, who is harassed by the evil website Redchanit (which had the SA logo), the episode spawned instant memes, and anyone who looked at the episode claiming it was going to be this big exposure of GG looked like a fucking idiot. Suffice to say, Anti-GGers were.... Displeased.

Kotaku was not happy. Jezebel whined about it repeatedly, as did The Verge, ArsTechnica, and even PC Magazine. The sperging on Twitter was, if anything, even funnier. With the exception of Wu, who claimed the episode was about her, pretty much every Anti-GGer worth a damn condemned the episode and tried to distance themselves from it, and you will basically never hear any of them bring it up since it marks a time they all looked like fucking morons.

TL;DR: If it blows up in their face, they'll never bring it up again willingly.

 

[Least Concern]

Spoiler: On Intimidation Game

Hmm. I don't remember the SVU thing going quite the same way. I remember the GG side being tepidly hopeful it wouldn't depict gamers that poorly, since apparently Ice-T is a gamer IRL, but instead it pretty much depicted us exactly as the cartoonish thugs that the rest of the media had decided we were. I remember seeing gamers getting up in Ice-T's mentions after the "betrayal," but really, we all shouldn't have expected anything different. What annoyed me personally is that a show purporting to be inspired by true events got so many things wrong, thus perpetuating that wrongness to the low-information normies watching and thinking that shit like that was really happening. But again, you can't hope for much realism from something "ripped from the headlines" when the headlines are also lying. There's only one way that show could have turned out, really.

I hadn't heard before that antis actually contacted the SVU staff to get the episode made, though. Is that verified?

Except for the cheese-ass FPS-style ending, that whole episode could probably be redone with CGers as the enemy, and it wouldn't be that different, given the MSM portrayals of both. "Go home, comics girl!"

As for Zaid… Damn. I wanted to rib the guy for being a fucking anti-vaxxer on top of everything else, but it sounds like there were some legit concerns with that thing.

 

[RockVolnutt]

Spoiler: On Intimidation Game

Hmm. I don't remember the SVU thing going quite the same way. I remember the GG side being tepidly hopeful it wouldn't depict gamers that poorly, since apparently Ice-T is a gamer IRL, but instead it pretty much depicted us exactly as the cartoonish thugs that the rest of the media had decided we were. I remember seeing gamers getting up in Ice-T's mentions after the "betrayal," but really, we all shouldn't have expected anything different. What annoyed me personally is that a show purporting to be inspired by true events got so many things wrong, thus perpetuating that wrongness to the low-information normies watching and thinking that shit like that was really happening. But again, you can't hope for much realism from something "ripped from the headlines" when the headlines are also lying. There's only one way that show could have turned out, really.

I hadn't heard before that antis actually contacted the SVU staff to get the episode made, though. Is that verified?

Except for the cheese-ass FPS-style ending, that whole episode could probably be redone with CGers as the enemy, and it wouldn't be that different, given the MSM portrayals of both. "Go home, comics girl!"

As for Zaid… Damn. I wanted to rib the guy for being a fucking anti-vaxxer on top of everything else, but it sounds like there were some legit concerns with that thing.

It'd probably be even dumber as I don't recall any "Video games have ALWAYS been about SJWism" slogans. So the CG equivalent would feature some dangerhair fangirl and stand-ins for people like Waid who are viewed as tragic saints who have Nazi fans of their SJW media that all of a sudden became terrorists because.....reasons?.... Anti-CG in itself is never really clear how they have a Nazi fanbase if the stuff they're doing now is "how it has always been.

 

[AnOminous]

It'd probably be even dumber as I don't recall any "Video games have ALWAYS been about SJWism" slogans. So the CG equivalent would feature some dangerhair fangirl and stand-ins for people like Waid who are viewed as tragic saints who have Nazi fans of their SJW media that all of a sudden became terrorists because.....reasons?.... Anti-CG in itself is never really clear how they have a Nazi fanbase if the stuff they're doing now is "how it has always been.

Comics certainly hated actual Nazis and Hitler. And supported the war effort in WW II, with openly racist propaganda. And supported soldiers. You know, people like Richard Meyer himself. In fact, Jerry Siegel, one of the creators of Superman, was an Army vet himself.

Meyer represents the spirit of Superman more than some cringy-ass cuck like Mark Waid.

 

[Kirito]

I wanted to rib the guy for being a fucking anti-vaxxer on top of everything else

He's whatever he's paid to be.
I'd like a look into his finances. He might be another Avenatti type that talks big, takes bullshit clients, but is fucking broke.

 

[Slimy Time]

Because the FBI is good now because Orange Man Bad.

Funny, considering the FBI is probably one of the most corrupt and untransparent (if that is a word) organisations today. Just look at the whole Strzok debacle. Would not be surprised if that was the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Feline Darkmage]

How have we not discussed this beautiful specimen before he serendipitously wandered into CG-Land to whiteknight Mark Waid?
-Anti-Vax
-Ghost Hunter
-Princess Diana Truther
-Now pandering to woke twitter

 

[boulderblundermatt]

How have we not discussed this beautiful specimen before he serendipitously wandered into CG-Land to whiteknight Mark Waid?
-Anti-Vax
-Ghost Hunter
-Princess Diana Truther
-Now pandering to woke twitter

the answer is simple. we aren't dealing with the average lolcow warrior anymore. we're dealing with the legendary super lolcow!

 

[damian]

How have we not discussed this beautiful specimen before he serendipitously wandered into CG-Land to whiteknight Mark Waid?
-Anti-Vax
-Ghost Hunter
-Princess Diana Truther
-Now pandering to woke twitter

Might as well make this the unofficial Mark S Zaid thread once the case is over.

 

[SJ 485]

The difference between autistic people and sociopaths is a strange inversion. Sociopaths can read and respond to social cues, but have no desire or ability to form meaningful emotional connections with other humans. Autistic people are crippled socially, but desire and are capable of deep empathetic relationships.

Sociopaths develop complex strategies of manipulation to deceive people into thinking there is a connection, or empathy, or some other relationship. This hollow facade of real emotional character is only used for the purposes of manipulating other people into getting what they want, however. Typically this charade can only be maintained for a certain amount of time until the normies being scammed clue into it, but by then the sociopath has stolen their stocks/ruined their career (if CEO or executive type) or slit their throat (slasher). Steve Jobs is a good CEO example, that fucker managed to build a cult that practically worshiped him despite scamming Woz and being a deadbeat dad to the daughter he disowned. Ted Bundy is the classic slasher model, charming college girls long enough to drop their guard - but my favorite is that 8 years after his girlfriend dumped her he returned, made her fall in love with him and arrange to be married then ghosted her.

Autistic people, on the other hand, are like big dumbass dogs. They are capable of feeling love, and kindness, and eventually building genuine relationships but also totally unaware that they rolled in mud and are tracking it all over the house holy FUCK DON'T JUMP ON THE COUCH! Then they get all confused that you're yelling when they were just trying to say hello.

In summary, give me an autistic nerd any day of the week. You can train them to shower daily and shut up about trains, but you'll never get a sociopath to put down the knife.

In my understanding this is roughly the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. A sociopath is capable of developing emotional bonds with people, but not easily, they're impulsive and struggle with normal relationships, it's unusual for them to form real emotional bonds but it's not by any means impossible. A psychopath, however, does not feel emotional connections like a normal person, they're not capable of forming real relationships with people and instead learn to recognise and manipulate emotional tells in others.

Edit: I'd still take an autist or a sociopath over a psychopath though lol

 

[DragoonSierra]

In my understanding this is roughly the difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. A sociopath is capable of developing emotional bonds with people, but not easily, they're impulsive and struggle with normal relationships, it's unusual for them to form real emotional bonds but it's not by any means impossible. A psychopath, however, does not feel emotional connections like a normal person, they're not capable of forming real relationships with people and instead learn to recognise and manipulate emotional tells in others.

Edit: I'd still take an autist or a sociopath over a psychopath though lol

Im sure autists havent murdered many people. On purpose anyway.