Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

The next stage of getting workers back at their desks includes incentives like $10 to the charity of their choice — and consequences like poor performance evaluations if they don’t make the trek in.

By Emma Goldberg June 20, 2023

Manny Medina, the chief executive of a Seattle-based artificial intelligence sales company, doesn’t mind repeating himself. It comes with the territory, after all. That tolerance proved convenient this year as he faced the same question innumerable times.

Wait, so why was it you wanted us back in the office?

The engineers reminded him of their commutes. The working parents reminded him of school pickup times. Mr. Medina replied with arguments he has delineated so often that they have come to feel like personal mantras: Being near each other makes the work better. Mr. Medina approached three years of mushy remote-plus-office work as an experiment. His takeaway was that ideas bubble up more organically in the clamor of the office.

“You can interrupt each other without being rude when you’re in person,” said Mr. Medina, whose company, Outreach, is now in the office on a hybrid basis. “In a Zoom conversation, you have to let somebody finish their thought.”

For tens of millions of office workers, it’s been three years of scattershot plans for returning to in-person work — summoning people in, not really meaning it, everybody pretty much working wherever they pleased. Now, for the umpteenth time, businesses are ready to get serious.

A wave of companies called workers back to the office this spring and summer: Disney said four days a week, Amazon swung with three (prompting a walkout from corporate workers), Meta and Lyft are aiming for September deadlines for many of their employees. Others devised new tactics to ensure their return-to-office policies stuck. Google, which has asked most workers to be in the office three days a week, announced that performance reviews could take into account lengthy unexplained absences from the office, and badge records could be reviewed to identify those consistent absences, said Ryan Lamont, a company spokesman.


Google employees will be granted the ability to work remotely only on an extremely rare basis. “We want to see Googlers connecting and collaborating in person, so we’re limiting remote work to exception only,” Mr. Lamont said.

These new policies come as business leaders accept that hybrid work is a permanent reality, with just over a quarter of full workdays in the country now done at home, and offices still at half their prepandemic occupancy. (Though that 50 percent occupancy metric combines Tuesdays and Wednesdays, when offices are bustling, with Fridays, when they tend to be ghost towns.)

Salesforce, the business software behemoth, announced that for a 10-day period, it will give a $10 charitable donation per day on behalf of any employee who comes into the office (or for remote employees who attend company events). A spokeswoman said it was only natural the company would want to find moments for “doing well and doing good.” But to some employees, it might feel like a tonal shift, given that the company’s previous workplace plans were announced with fanfare for a future in which much of its staff could be fully or partially remote forever. (The company emphasized that this remains the case.)

“An immersive workspace is no longer limited to a desk in our Towers,” the company wrote in a February 2021 memo. “The 9-to-5 workday is dead.”

It was very much alive on a recent Monday at Salesforce Tower in New York, as a hum of activity filled the 41-story building looming over Bryant Park. Desks and conference rooms were filled with employees, some of them visiting from San Francisco for the company’s A.I.-focused day. In the top-floor lounge, workers stood in line waiting for coffee, as Salesforce’s catering team prepared shrimp tacos for an office event that week.

Scattered throughout the office were the company’s animal mascots. Brandy the fox represents marketing. Astro the astronaut sat behind a piano in the 41st floor lounge. Codey the bear stood guard near the developers.

“It’s the impromptu-ness of in-person — so for example, I was at the office and there was somebody from Chicago, she was in the San Francisco office — ‘Oh do you have time to go and chat and have a meeting about a strategy that we’re rolling out?’” said Nathalie Scardino, Salesforce’s global head of talent strategy. “Inevitably, as a high-tech company, you have to keep changing to meet the needs of the business, of the customer.”

It’s not often that the entire white-collar business world gets thrown into an impromptu experiment — executives left to discern how to make multimillion-dollar decisions in between bursts of “you’re on mute,” employees figuring out how to forge friendships and nudge mentors for advice while sitting next to piles of their laundry.

And for the last three years, some office decision-making has come to feel like parents scrambling to impose rules on an unruly home: “Do this.” “Why?” “Because I said so.” But now some business leaders say that the results of their remote work experiment are in. They feel emphatically that they need some in-person time. After months of layoffs, especially in tech, their next business moves feel particularly consequential.

“When the economy was warm, executives thought, ‘I’d really like to have people back but it’s OK because I have this margin of error,’” said Mark Ein, chairman of Kastle, the security firm whose “back to work barometer” made it a pandemic celebrity. “Now that things are tougher, they want to hunker down and have their people in the office.”

DocuSign, which has more than 6,500 employees spread across the globe, became a poster child for the lurching back-and-forth over return-to-office planning. The company had hoped to call employees back in May 2020, then August 2020, then October 2021, then January 2022. Then the plans disintegrated altogether.

But this month, much of the company finally came back to the office. Since February, executives have evaluated every role at the company and decided roughly 70 percent were hybrid, meaning people would be partly in the office and partly remote, 30 percent were fully remote and under 1 percent were fully in the office. Jennifer Christie, the company’s new chief people officer, absorbed dozens of questions from concerned employees.

“This can be a very polarizing subject,” she said, adding that she views this summer as a period of experimentation in which she and other company leaders will evaluate what parts of their hybrid plan need changing. “We’re running water through pipes that haven’t had water run through them in a long time. So where are there going to be leaks?”

But Docusign’s leaders were ready, she added, to stop talking about how to get people back in the office and start making their plans real. “We could debate it forever, we could speculate about what’s going to happen forever, but the best way for us to understand how this will impact our culture and productivity and collaboration is to just start doing it.”

It’s been a long period of choose-your-own-adventure style workplace planning, and the shift companies have made toward firmer deadlines has taken some recruiters by surprise. Jasmine Silver, who runs a recruitment firm specializing in mothers hoping to re-enter the work force, found that in the last few months, many of her clients transitioned abruptly from fully remote to either hybrid or entirely in-office work. The transition was jarring for some workers, especially those who had moved far from their offices, or had become attached to new work-from-home habits.

And it’s healthy for people to be able to express those frustrations, psychologists said.

“What appears to be a grumbling or complaint is in many cases a request for understanding,” said Tracy Maylett, an organizational psychologist. “When you look at change, the most dangerous people are people who are quiet, because you don’t know what they’re thinking. You can’t address their concerns.”

The period of hand-wringing also tends to be temporary, judging by those companies now settled in their hybrid routines. Asana, for example, the productivity software firm, asked employees to come in at least on Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays starting in 2022.

For months, return to office, or R.T.O., was a big topic of office conversation. Everybody had questions, and they were all directed toward Anna Binder, the head of human resources.

“Before we R.T.O.’d — I love that that’s now in the Webster Dictionary — it was a topic of conversation because R.T.O. was theoretical, and being on the other side of the pandemic was theoretical,” Ms. Binder said. “Most people came, returned and are here. Some people tried it, decided, ‘It’s not for me,’ and they left.”

Now, Ms. Binder continued, the issue doesn’t really come up. Return to office isn’t a hypothetical scenario. It’s their reality. And they have so much else to talk about.

“Somebody on my team just recently fell in love with somebody, and she came in one day and it was like, ‘What is going on with you?’” Ms. Binder said. “She got so red and she was like, ‘My whole life has changed.’ To share that moment with another human being — it was really emotional.”
 
“When you look at change, the most dangerous people are people who are quiet, because you don’t know what they’re thinking. You can’t address their concerns.”
Nigger, what the fuck is wrong with you?
This is some big brother/retarded extrovert kind of thinking.
90% of the time, they're just quiet people
 
Thing is, the people in your office hardly if ever, become your friends. Most of the time, it tends to be posturing in one way shape or form. There's also the long travel time and the cost of having to work. Be it gas, parking tickets, and food bills.

And now that people had a taste of work from home, there's no way they wanna go back.
 
I stopped working from home recently, I'm in all the time now and will never voluntarily go back to remote work.

I realized how shitty it actually is to turn your home into an extension of the workplace, when I leave the office now my work is done until tomorrow and there's clear separation of the two. The computer won't be opened up and I won't be logging in, whereas at home you were essentially on call 24/7.

Plus it can have a very negative effect on your career prospects depending on the field. Remote workers are out of sight and out of mind.
 
Your office is in NYC?
>New Congestion pricing will add $23 on top of $17 tolls to drive in to city
>MTA set in increase rates first time since pandemic on the completely lawless subway system. Pay more to get stabbed now.

Chicago?
>Get shot

SF?
>Get to clean human shit off your shoes and get car windows smashed everyday for the change in ash tray.

Work from home sucks but it sucks a lot less then going to the office in some of these cities.
 
Work from home sucks but it sucks a lot less then going to the office in some of these cities.
Shoot, in a lot of cases you'll take a real pay cut to work there. Nobody's paying at least double what I make now for me to work in SF or NYC, which is the bare minimum I'd need to break even on cost-of-living.

Not that I would nowadays in either case. Maybe SF or NYC in the 80's and 90's.
 
I'm torn, because, on the one hand, I think all this mewling about having to go into the office, especially for the office jobs that are supposed to be on-the-fly collaborative, is stupid at best.
On the other hand, if the anti-RTO people win out it means my commute to a job that does need that kind of collaboration massively improves. Shit has gotten dire once Amazon started enforcing being in SLU for 3 days/week, all the Amazon tech bros who moved out of the suburbs alongside me during COVID are clogging the damn roads.
 
Nigger, what the fuck is wrong with you?
This is some big brother/retarded extrovert kind of thinking.
90% of the time, they're just quiet people
It's very normal. People who are quiet are a danger because you don't know where you stand.

They often leave without ever saying what they were not happy with. Even more so when working remote where you can't see behavior changes.
Thing is, the people in your office hardly if ever, become your friends. Most of the time, it tends to be posturing in one way shape or form. There's also the long travel time and the cost of having to work. Be it gas, parking tickets, and food bills.

And now that people had a taste of work from home, there's no way they wanna go back.
It's still much more productive than remote. BS conversation snowball into interesting things, which never happens online.

Also, what kind of fucking job makes you pay for travel, gas and parking? Unless you're a janitor maybe, I have never ever seen this in the EU. And that's mean I can replace you without blinking an eye, so too bad I guess, take another job closer to home.
I stopped working from home recently, I'm in all the time now and will never voluntarily go back to remote work.

I realized how shitty it actually is to turn your home into an extension of the workplace, when I leave the office now my work is done until tomorrow and there's clear separation of the two. The computer won't be opened up and I won't be logging in, whereas at home you were essentially on call 24/7.

Plus it can have a very negative effect on your career prospects depending on the field. Remote workers are out of sight and out of mind.
Working from home is horrible on so many level when communication is important in a team.

I could not wait to get back to it. You lose motivation without others, you loose the opportunity to bounce things back against others, you loose this life/work balance.

These people need to realize that numbers have been done. It's not fucking hard to measure productivity in vs out of office.

If you want to work from home, do so. With another company.
 
I'm still convinced that this is just to justify the real-estate expenses of useless office buildings and to enforce cultural control over their workers.

Anybody who goes back into an office for a job that they explicitly shouldn't have to do so in order to be capable of doing is a fucking idiot.
Nigger, what the fuck is wrong with you?
This is some big brother/retarded extrovert kind of thinking.
90% of the time, they're just quiet people
There's two ways to take this. And I'd say they're right in some way on both.

First is that, if you don't have a certain percentage of people supporting a move like this, it falters, which is what has deflated this shit so many times now - nobody actually wants to move back into an office job except the types who like that environment and from what I've read on this site and elsewhere those people are a very small minority of any office and everyone else rightfully despises them.

Second, and they're correct about this, is that people who complain are less likely to "do something" about it. "All bark no bite" is a saying for a reason, and there's a lot of psychology shit around this concept that more or less proves that people who say something whether it be a complaint or a goal are less likely to give enough of a shit to go through on it.

I'd imagine having a large number of employees leave them "on read" leads them to worry about having to fill in for x number of people being hired, suddenly, by companies that promise not to do this stupid fucking shit.
 
I'm still convinced that this is just to justify the real-estate expenses of useless office buildings and to enforce cultural control over their workers.
I can only speak for myself, but I assure you that this is not the case.

Not only is pure productivity down, synergy among teams has been disturbed. Communication is not as efficient, within and between departments. Progress is slower on projects.

On any metric I look at, remote working has been devastating in terms of opportunity cost.
 
I'm still convinced that this is just to justify the real-estate expenses of useless office buildings and to enforce cultural control over their workers.

Anybody who goes back into an office for a job that they explicitly shouldn't have to do so in order to be capable of doing is a fucking idiot.

There's two ways to take this. And I'd say they're right in some way on both.

First is that, if you don't have a certain percentage of people supporting a move like this, it falters, which is what has deflated this shit so many times now - nobody actually wants to move back into an office job except the types who like that environment and from what I've read on this site and elsewhere those people are a very small minority of any office and everyone else rightfully despises them.

Second, and they're correct about this, is that people who complain are less likely to "do something" about it. "All bark no bite" is a saying for a reason, and there's a lot of psychology shit around this concept that more or less proves that people who say something whether it be a complaint or a goal are less likely to give enough of a shit to go through on it.

I'd imagine having a large number of employees leave them "on read" leads them to worry about having to fill in for x number of people being hired, suddenly, by companies that promise not to do this stupid fucking shit.
it's still really fucking scummy to look at these people and think there's an issue
 
Damn who knew there were so many boomers and shut-ins clamoring to get back to circle jerking at the office on kiwifarms.

I'm 100% remote. I lived in SF and still had 1.5 hour total commute each day. Got to pay $20 a day to eat bull shit from a food truck for lunch. Thank God I was in the office to have a random hallway chat or to Celebrate Brenda's baby shower. I'm insanely more productive and happier working from home.

The only people who want to be in the office are losers who's whole sense of self comes from their jobs.
 
I'm torn, because, on the one hand, I think all this mewling about having to go into the office, especially for the office jobs that are supposed to be on-the-fly collaborative, is stupid at best.
On the other hand, if the anti-RTO people win out it means my commute to a job that does need that kind of collaboration massively improves. Shit has gotten dire once Amazon started enforcing being in SLU for 3 days/week, all the Amazon tech bros who moved out of the suburbs alongside me during COVID are clogging the damn roads.
If you're a good manager you should be able to figure out who can handle being at home, and who can't.

Mostly it boils down to things:
1) Are you creating hardship for your co-workers by working at home? (stuff like they have more workload, can't get a hold of you even if you're the only person in the office to do X, etc.)
2) Are you able to work without getting distracted? (can you join a meeting without kids or pets being obnoxious)
If the answer to "no" to at least one, get back in the office, wagie. If yes, go for it.

There are some jobs that work well with at home work, some jobs that don't. It really depends on the type of work you're doing.
 
Working from home is horrible on so many level when communication is important in a team.

I could not wait to get back to it. You lose motivation without others, you loose the opportunity to bounce things back against others, you loose this life/work balance.
Remote training was and is just as much a joke as "remote learning" and really screwed new hires over. In my experience entry-level employees hired in 2022 consistently outperform anyone hired in 2020, so the COVID class is 3 years behind thanks to all this.

And honestly the lack of motivation and in-person interaction became a big problem for me as well. Everything is so abstract and remote after a while you don't really feel like it's real or matters. Just images on a screen.

If you want to work from home, do so. With another company.
They also need to realize if you can work entirely from home, anybody in the world could too. For much cheaper.
 
I can only speak for myself, but I assure you that this is not the case.

Not only is pure productivity down, synergy among teams has been disturbed. Communication is not as efficient, within and between departments. Progress is slower on projects.

On any metric I look at, remote working has been devastating in terms of opportunity cost.
Where's this info from?
it's still really fucking scummy to look at these people and think there's an issue
I don't think so, though I can understand why you'd think that. Sure maybe they're just asocial or whatever but I assume that the people they're talking about would have some baseline of intersocial activity expected of them that they're falling short of, as an indication to be worried about.

Being an introvert I can imagine that there'd be a situation in which me not responding to my employer would still send a clear signal that I'm not going along with what they've sent me. Though I work in the trades and this office stuff is another type of environment than what I deal with. I also don't really ever recall having a situation in which I was pissed off at my employer but, that's probably another blue/white collar distinction, or maybe I'm just fortunate.
 
If you're a good manager you should be able to figure out who can handle being at home, and who can't.

Mostly it boils down to things:
1) Are you creating hardship for your co-workers by working at home? (stuff like they have more workload, can't get a hold of you even if you're the only person in the office to do X, etc.)
2) Are you able to work without getting distracted? (can you join a meeting without kids or pets being obnoxious)
If the answer to "no" to at least one, get back in the office, wagie. If yes, go for it.

There are some jobs that work well with at home work, some jobs that don't. It really depends on the type of work you're doing.
If you were a manager, you would know it's impossible.

If you start treating your employees differently based on performance, you will build resentment. You would probably be better off firing them.

Also, do you even start to conceptualize the time we should allocate to looking over everybody's shoulder to even get started with this system?

There is no point. Get in line, or go somewhere else is my way to go.

Where's this info from?

I don't think so, though I can understand why you'd think that. Sure maybe they're just asocial or whatever but I assume that the people they're talking about would have some baseline of intersocial activity expected of them that they're falling short of, as an indication to be worried about.

Being an introvert I can imagine that there'd be a situation in which me not responding to my employer would still send a clear signal that I'm not going along with what they've sent me. Though I work in the trades and this office stuff is another type of environment than what I deal with.
You literally quoted the source

I can only speak for myself

I am starting to understand why you may prefer working from home.

I am just passionate about the subject, that was unwarranted. Apologies.
 
I am starting to understand why you may prefer working from home.

I am just passionate about the subject, that was unwarranted. Apologies.
No, I'll explain, it wasn't entirely unwarranted.

Call me ignorant or whatever but as someone who explicitly went from doing subtitling, to the trades, to get the fuck away from an indoor computer-oriented job I find it absurd that a job that requires someone work at a computer, nowadays, needs to do it in a physical location that isn't their house.

I fucking, and I cannot state this enough, hate deskwork with a passion that is fucking indescribable. I cannot imagine how furious I'd be if I were still doing something like subtitling/transcription and I was called into a fucking office in TYOL 2023. Which I suppose is the reason that this whole "return to the office" shit boils my piss even if it doesn't remotely affect me in any measure one way or the other.
 
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