Retro games and emulation - Discuss retro shit in case you're stuck in the past or a hipster

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Captain Quazar said:
I'm starting to get into N64 collecting. Besides the usual titles to get (Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Ocarina of Time, and Wave Race 64 to name a few), what are some other ones that I should look for?
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Have you ever played Gauntlet Legends?

If you're up for getting a region free cartridge tray, Puyo Puyo SUN and Puyo Puyo~n are a lot of fun.
 
Captain Quazar said:
Emulation is nice indeed, but the thing that concerns me the most is the accuracy of the emulator, especially for systems that handle 3D graphics.
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Modern emulators are accurate enough that you don’t need to worry about that, but yes, N64 in particular can be a pain when it comes to using the right plugins and settings for each game.

But what about a MiSTer? It passes every known accuracy test for N64 and also plays other systems with perfect or near-perfect accuracy.
 
Captain Quazar said:
I'm starting to get into N64 collecting. Besides the usual titles to get (Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Ocarina of Time, and Wave Race 64 to name a few), what are some other ones that I should look for?
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Popular favourites not on your list:
Majora's Mask
Banjo Kazooie
Diddy Kong Racing
Conker's Bad Fur Day
Paper Mario
Mario Party 2

Personal Favourites:
Space Station Silicon Valley
Gauntlet Legends
Doom 64
Quake 64
Crusin' World
Blast Corps
Magical Tetris Challange
WCW/NWO Revenge
Body Harvest
Beetle Adventure Racing
Fighter's Destiny

Captain Quazar said:
Emulation is nice indeed, but the thing that concerns me the most is the accuracy of the emulator, especially for systems that handle 3D graphics.
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So, just to play devil's advocate here... I spent my high school years playing N64. When I'm concerned about accuracy, it's because I want the games to be generally accurate to how I remember them because I am nostalgic for a specific window of time. If you're just getting into collecting N64 now, I assuming you didn't spend years and years playing the bulk of the titles on original hardware. Does 100% perfect accuracy matter that much in that case? Like Two Dollars said, something like a Mister would eliminate most lag and be reasonably accurate. Why not do that?
 
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Two Dollars said:
But what about a MiSTer? It passes every known accuracy test for N64 and also plays other systems with perfect or near-perfect accuracy.
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Never Scored said:
If you're just getting into collecting N64 now, I assuming you didn't spend years and years playing the bulk of the titles on original hardware. Does 100% perfect accuracy matter that much in that case? Like Two Dollars said, something like a Mister would eliminate most lag and be reasonably accurate. Why not do that?
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I've heard about the MiSTer and it just doesn't do anything for me as I'm one of those people who prefers using the original hardware when possible (MAME is an exception to me). In terms of lag, all of my systems are hooked up to a CRT and I personally haven't encountered any lag.
 
Captain Quazar said:
In terms of lag, all of my systems are hooked up to a CRT and I personally haven't encountered any lag.
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No, but if you had an FPGA device like a SuperStation hooked up to a CRT you wouldn't either.

My question was more why collect for hardware you didn't grow up with. Maybe I'm just misreading your posts, but it seems like you're only now getting into N64. 100% accurate does not always equal better. For most people, myself included, the accuracy is an attempt to recapture the way they felt when they originally played these games. If you're new to them, you don't have that feeling hiding in the back of your mind that you're trying to recapture.

Like, I remember this one particular night, I would say it was around 1999, where I had Blast Corps rented from a local video store. Some friends of my parents were over for a BBQ, and they brought their kid who was a couple years younger than me. We had this big bag of mixed 1 cent candies all the little stores used to have sitting on the desk in front of my old woodgrain RCA TV, and you could smell the mixture of the crisp fall air, the bbq and the cigarettes my dad was smoking coming in through the open window. When I sit down to play Blast Corps on a real N64, I can almost smell that mixture of scents and taste the candy and it takes me back to a time when I didn't have a care in the world. That's why I like playing these games on original hardware, and I've never understood why someone who didn't experience them that way would care about playing them on the original hardware.

I'm not throwing shade at you personally. I don't think there's anything wrong with desiring an authentic experience. It's just a phenomenon I noticed and I think it's an interesting topic of discussion. That's all.
 
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Never Scored said:
My question was more why collect for hardware you didn't grow up with. Maybe I'm just misreading your posts, but it seems like you're only now getting into N64.
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Yep, I'm just now getting into it. I also started collecting for the Virtual Boy last year despite having not grown up with that system either (granted that system failed and there's only 22 games for it, but still). I think it's more the fact that as someone born in the early 2000s, the N64 kinda takes me back to that era of primitive, but still neat 3D systems. I have played the N64 many years ago, but I didn't really think much of it back then.
 
Never Scored said:
My question was more why collect for hardware you didn't grow up with.
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It's a superior experience.

Personally I equate the mister to a raspberry pi. You can run the video games on it. They run well. You can run real controllers to it if you want. Cool. But does it really beat popping a real copy of Rondo of Blood into a PC Engine Duo R?
 
Baraka Obama said:
It's a superior experience.

Personally I equate the mister to a raspberry pi. You can run the video games on it. They run well. You can run real controllers to it if you want. Cool. But does it really beat popping a real copy of Rondo of Blood into a PC Engine Duo R?
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Does popping a physical copy of a game into a console feel good because it's superior, or does it feel good because you grew up doing it?

I like the way a tape feels going into a VCR. There are people reading this who have never put a tape in a VCR. Would they go, "Wow that feels really cool" if they put a tape in a VCR or would the physical act of doing so be meaningless to them?

Like, yes, I like putting Mario 64 into my N64 and seeing the logo instantly flash up on the screen, way more than booting into it in an emulator but that's probably only because I did it when I was 12.
 
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Never Scored said:
Does popping a physical copy of a game into a console feel good because it's superior, or does it feel good because you grew up doing it?

I like the way a tape feels going into a VCR. There are people reading this who have never put a tape in a VCR. Would they go, "Wow that feels really cool" if they put a tape in a VCR or would the physical act of doing so be meaningless to them?
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Some of them probably. I enjoy the act of putting on a vinyl record even though I didn't grow up with them.
 
The N64 has a lot of kick ass racing games, and if you get use to the controls the FPS lineup is pretty cool. Outside of Goldeneye and Perfect Dark you have Doom 64, Quake 2 which has a unique campaign and is one of the best looking games on the system, Daikatana which is one of the worst looking games on the system but fixes many of the problems with the PC version and others lke Hexen and Duke 64 which have little unique bits in them.
 
Never Scored said:
I like the way a tape feels going into a VCR. There are people reading this who have never put a tape in a VCR. Would they go, "Wow that feels really cool" if they put a tape in a VCR or would the physical act of doing so be meaningless to them?
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Tape tangles, have to cut it and roughly splice the tape so the next renter won't notice that a bit of footage is missing. Don't want to pay the full price of a rental VHS. Tape. Annoyance. Happy that it's gone.
 
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