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Rescuing Men From Rage Rabbit Holes​

The ‘manosphere’ is full of troubled young men—some groups are trying to pull them out​

By Julie Jargon
Sept. 23, 2023 9:00 am ET

Why are so many young men so angry online?

Men are trailing women in college and in the workplace, fewer of their relationships are leading to marriage and many men feel masculinity is under attack. When young men turn to places like YouTube and X (formerly Twitter) seeking male solidarity, they often find more rage.

“It may look like we have an epidemic of male anger, but under the anger is loneliness and sadness,” says Justin Baldoni, a filmmaker and actor behind Man Enough, a podcast about masculinity.

Often the result is depression, and sometimes worse. The suicide rate among men is about four times higher than that of women, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Approximately 65% of men in the U.S. say they’re hesitant to seek professional help for stress, anxiety or depression, according to a study this month from Cleveland Clinic. And the respondents who expressed such reluctance were twice as likely as other men to spend several hours a day on social media.

Untreated mental-health issues can also result in violence toward others. In 2014, a 22-year-old male student at the University of California, Santa Barbara, killed seven people after posting a YouTube video in which he vowed to retaliate against “stuck-up blondes” who he claimed would have rejected him. Online, he became a hero to communities of self-described incels, people who are “involuntarily celibate.”

In 2018 a Toronto man drove a van through a crowd, killing 10 people after hailing the Santa Barbara killer on Facebook and alluding to an “incel rebellion.”

Extreme examples aside, an online culture of anger can damage young men’s personal lives and interactions with others. Some people think the problem can be solved with the same online tools that stoke it.

Men’s community-building and mental-health organizations—together with a government-funded anti-hate group—are using social-media ads to get through to men by speaking plainly to their frustration. It’s a small early effort to tackle a huge issue: The groups want to reach millions of men who have gone down online rabbit holes.

Diverting Hate has nearly $700,000 in funding from the Department of Homeland Security, which views online hate as a driver of targeted violence and domestic terrorism. The group targets younger men—ages 18 to 34—trying to meet them where they linger, on social platforms where political extremism and sexism are easily found.

“It’s easy to radicalize a disenfranchised, lonely man online. When he feels he has no place, anger helps him feel seen,” Baldoni says.

‘Irritable Female Syndrome’​

“Are women giving up on men?” asks one YouTube ad. It directed viewers to a Man Enough podcast about women choosing not to date and having less sex. The group hopes that by listening to the podcast, men will understand the reasons women feel disenchanted with dating and that it isn’t because women hate men.

“Irritable Female Syndrome—Learn the symptoms and remedies” reads a post that Diverting Hate plans to place on X. While crafted to appeal to a man’s angry side, it will link to an article explaining the reasons women might be irritated and how to respond with compassion.

Since this summer, Diverting Hate and its partners—men-focused support and suicide-prevention groups including Visible Man, MenAlive and the Man Enough podcast—have been running ads and posts to provide camaraderie over rants.

Diverting Hate’s chief, Kaitlyn Tierney, says she and her co-founders wondered whether men drawn into extremism and violence could have gone down a different path with the right nudge.

“What could they have seen in their social-media feed that would have led to connection with other men in a healthier place?” she asks.

Tierney says the ads and posts so far have had 700,000 impressions, and that 1% of the men who viewed them have clicked on the content—a decent social-media engagement rate. It’s likely to be an uphill battle. One X account dedicated to teaching men how to quickly seduce women has nearly 130,000 followers.

‘Hungry for connection’​

The young men following these accounts don’t want to hurt people, says Jed Diamond, a psychotherapist and founder of MenAlive, which provides counseling and online classes to help men improve their relationships. “They’re hungry for connection but they’re getting misled by people on social media who make money on angry, disaffected people.”

Tierney and her co-founders, Courtney Cano and Astrid Askenberger, were inspired to start tracking what they call the “manosphere” when they connected online hatred of women with real-world violence, like the murders at UCSB. They started it as a graduate school research project at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies.

Diverting Hate developed a digital advertising plan and began cataloging accounts focused on incels, on tactics for picking up women, and on the “men going their own way” movement, which promotes the idea that men can live fulfilling lives without women. The 141 accounts they’ve identified so far have, collectively, more than 28 million followers. Where possible, the organization has begun to target ads around these accounts.

Diverting Hate has a $60,000 advertising budget for the next 12 months. “It’s relatively small,” says Tierney, compared with what big brands spend online. “It’s a reasonable start given our objectives,” she adds.

The group plans to measure its success based on how many people view the YouTube videos of content creators like Man Enough and subscribe to their channels. With its mental-health partners, the group also plans to track sign-ups for retreats and community groups.

While it’s been easy to get its message in front of young men online, Tierney says the real challenge will be getting men to join the support groups or to seek therapy. It’s still too early to track that.
 
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Modern sCiEnCe and the people running this shit show are retarded enough that state mandated waifus to curb the incel crisis might end up not being just a meme after all
 
many men feel masculinity is under attack
There’s no feel about it. Masculinity IS under attack. So is femininity.
Men are told any kind of masculine expression is bad. Women are told any kind of maternal or feminine expression is only OK if it’s sexual or consumerism. No to babies, yes to only fans and buying makeup
Oh no! Everyone’s depressed? Of course they fucking are. Let men be men, let women be women. Let everyone feel like they have something to live for and a chance of the basics - decent job, safety, family, a stake in the future - and maybe they’ll want to stick around for it?
 
Jesus Christ, men are angry because they are undervalued and have no place in society. The barriers of success have been risen way to high and the ability to make enough to attract a partner is gone for many. You have tons of men stuck working unfulfilling positions at a Walmart, completely isolated by finances, yet the solution is always popping pills and speaking to someone for $ an hour.
 
it will link to an article explaining the reasons women might be irritated and how to respond with compassion.
Women's 'anger' must be pacified and submitted to; men's anger must be pathologized and shamed.

Keep tapping that accelerator. I like where it's going.
 
Why do we need to "rescue" men, or women for that matter, from anger? Anger is an appropriate response to injustice, cruelty, and a host of other evils. It motivates people to effect change.
 
I mean I guess it sounds like a pretty neutral group on the face of it, they're trying to create content to catch the attention of angry young men? That sounds nice, assuming there's no ulterior motive or anything.

The way they keep breathlessly mentioning the only two incel attacks to happen in the last decade, combined with their only real solution being to lecture men on being more understanding of why women are justifiably angry, suggests they will waste funding and do nothing. "Yikes sweety, I know it seems like all women just hate you, but have you stopped and considered maybe they're right?"
 
So... rather than address the roots of the problem (men being excluded, isolated, vilified, denigrated, calumniated, and left with nothing to live for), the government has instead decided to throw a few grand towards an astroturfed shill campaign that amounts to "you're imagining all your problems, now take the Adderall/troonshine chemical straitjacket, get back in your wagecage, worship the Gynocracy, and do as you're told."

It's just the kind of thing I'd expect that perjuring cueball cocksucker Mayorkas to fund.
 

Irritable Female Syndrome’​

“Are women giving up on men?” asks one YouTube ad. It directed viewers to a Man Enough podcast about women choosing not to date and having less sex. The group hopes that by listening to the podcast, men will understand the reasons women feel disenchanted with dating and that it isn’t because women hate men.
Men are upset that it's increasingly difficult to make connections and date.

Their response is "BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WAMEN?"

Yeah I'm sure they'll respond to you minimizing their problems.
 
Men are upset that it's increasingly difficult to make connections and date.

Their response is "BUT HAVE YOU CONSIDERED WAMEN?"

Yeah I'm sure they'll respond to you minimizing their problems.
"Why should I apologize to women for being a misogynist? Why haven't they apologized for turning me into one?"

You can bend over backwards to be a "Nice Guy", and she'll still be a cunt. Women expect men to be mind-readers, and get upset when you can't keep up with what they want, which usually changes on a whim.

And to be fair, none of this means I have any love for PUA grifters like Andrew Tate or Roosh V. Those crooks make money by preying on the insecurities of losers. The answer to men's loneliness and women's bullshit is not "go Dark Triad or go home".
 
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The suicide rate among men is about four times higher than that of women
"But lets not talk about why"
Approximately 65% of men in the U.S. say they’re hesitant to seek professional help for stress
Because it costs a shit ton and most men are broke, but sure have a podcast that will fix everything...
Online, he became a hero
These retards truly don't understand the "supreme gentleman" meme and think its a compliment...
an online culture of anger can damage young men’s personal lives and interactions with others.
Nobody who had a life ends in an incel forum raging with other incels. That's what these fucks don't understand, the people in those places were already bullied and marginalized into seclusion, their interactions with others were already a living hell before even finding out what incel is.
Some people think the problem can be solved with the same online tools that stoke it.
Haha I know where this is going...
together with a government-funded anti-hate group
Wait for it!...
Diverting Hate has nearly $700,000 in funding from the Department of Homeland Security
BOOM! MONEY! "give us money! more tax money! we need mooooooooooney to pretend to do something but in reality we're buying shit at your expense! I got late to the PUA grift so now I'm going with the antihate coaching grift!"

So fucking predictable, the wsj its basically paid propaganda, whoever wants to promote their shit can just pay to have these "articles" made.

And paywalled, imagine paying to read this shit.
It’s easy to radicalize a disenfranchised, lonely man online
Odds are a life of being shitted on radicalized them far more than some soyjak posts did...
It directed viewers to a Man Enough podcast about women choosing not to date and having less sex. The group hopes that by listening to the podcast, men will understand the reasons women feel disenchanted
it will link to an article explaining the reasons women might be irritated and how to respond with compassion.
WAHMEN MOST AFFECTED!™️
WAHMEN MOST AFFECTED!™️
WAHMEN MOST AFFECTED!™️

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Stopped reading after that part, why bother...
 
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“They’re hungry for connection but they’re getting misled by people on social media who make money on angry, disaffected people.”
What they're saying is: we want some of that incel money, preferably all of it and we want to shut down people who might give young men good advice. We want to enslave them and make sure that women remain most affected.

It's all so fucking tiresome. If they really cared, they'd fix the economy, close the borders, make social media insanely expensive via taxes and regulations, fire all marxists from important posts, imprison all marxists and then let society heal from 80 years of judeo-bolshevik subversion.
 
In 2014, a 22-year-old male student at the University of California, Santa Barbara, killed seven people after posting a YouTube video in which he vowed to retaliate against “stuck-up blondes” who he claimed would have rejected him.
If this is Eliot Rodger, and I'm 99% sure it is, saying he "killed seven people" means they're counting him in the body count, which seems a little weird, since only six were murdered. And he was 22 at the time and it happened in 2014.

Four of whom were male, five you're counting the perfect gentleman himself, as the Wall Street Journal apparently is. In any event I wonder how many will read the article and simply assume "people" = "women?"

Very strange they way they Voldemort'd him, as well. I wonder what order came down from on high to write articles this way?
 
"Raging rabbit holes"?
REALLY???
So wait... let me get this straight, wrap this shit up over my ears aight?
Your fag article bemoans incels and the youth that feel themselves out of place, the same youth YOU motherfuckers have marginalized, made docile and overly retarded, unable to sustain at least the very basic life needs on their own?
Compelling. Face the wall.
 
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