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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
StarkRavingMad said:
In my opinion, BvS is exponentially worse than Man of Steel. If you found MoS unwatchable, then stay FAR away from BvS; that movie quadruples down on all of the things that went wrong with MoS.

As for Zack Snyder's other movies, I was really disappointed with Watchmen (that's a whole Pandora's Box of a conversation, so I'll just leave it at that), I think his Dawn of the Dead remake is fun, and I think that Sucker Punch was an admirable failure of a movie (so I really don't have it in me to hate it like so many others do-- the movie had great ideas, but it bit off more than it could chew). And, of course, 300 is still a pretty damn unique movie to this very day.

To Snyder's credit with the DCEU, a lot of his ideas were in the first Wonder Woman movie, like it being set during WWI (which was fucking brilliant, if you ask me). We've seen what a Patty Jenkins Wonder Woman movie looks like without any of Snyder's ideas, and it was an absolute trainwreck.

I'm far from the biggest fan of his movies, but I don't hate the dude. And I think it sucks what WB did to him with Justice League amid the time of his daughter's passing. He's a guy who has a lot of interesting ideas, but I just don't think that he's a very good storyteller.
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I think he was a perfectly adequate choice to spearhead the DCEU. He has a fairly distinctive style with consistent themes and tones, and while I think he went a bit too far in (more than) a few places I fully supported his idea of having a grittier and darker franchise when compared to what Marvel was churning out. He's not a bad director by any means, though I think he is too heavy handed with symbolism and suffers from the common flaw of having conflict set pieces that are overly complex and last too long.

Overall I think that the execs failed him in two ways. One, they meddled too much with the direction he was going (Marvel is doing this and making bajillions, we need to do it toooooo!) and two they didn't give him a competent scriptwriting offsider to tighten shit up. He's obviously not blameless for the DCEU turning into a joke, but with him at the helm at least there was a clear and distinct direction for the franchises to head towards, and while MoS didn't quite hit home with me (I enjoyed it enough, but he overplayed his hand in regards where it's commonly acceptable to take that character, especially in an introductory film), I could certainly see the potential if they stuck the course but with a few small corrections.
 
ddlloo said:
I think he was a perfectly adequate choice to spearhead the DCEU. He has a fairly distinctive style with consistent themes and tones, and while I think he went a bit too far in (more than) a few places I fully supported his idea of having a grittier and darker franchise when compared to what Marvel was churning out. He's not a bad director by any means, though I think he is too heavy handed with symbolism and suffers from the common flaw of having conflict set pieces that are overly complex and last too long.

Overall I think that the execs failed him in two ways. One, they meddled too much with the direction he was going (Marvel is doing this and making bajillions, we need to do it toooooo!) and two they didn't give him a competent scriptwriting offsider to tighten shit up. He's obviously not blameless for the DCEU turning into a joke, but with him at the helm at least there was a clear and distinct direction for the franchises to head towards, and while MoS didn't quite hit home with me (I enjoyed it enough, but he overplayed his hand in regards where it's commonly acceptable to take that character, especially in an introductory film), I could certainly see the potential if they stuck the course but with a few small corrections.
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While I am most certainly a much bigger fan of the MCU, that doesn't mean that I oppose darker takes on superheroes. For example, Logan is my favorite live action comic book movie to come out in the past 15 years. Loved it. I fully embrace a darker, more lofty tone for superhero movies to offer variety in the genre.

Some DC fans say stuff to me like "You enjoy BABY stuff, Marvel shill!" Nah, I just enjoy coherent storytelling (and I've called out the MCU when some of their films get messy, btw). Dark, cheesy ... Doesn't matter. Just give me a good movie. That's all I ask.

I agree with your assessment with how the WB execs failed Snyder. Snyder is a dude who has interesting ideas ... But he doesn't quite know how to refine and translate them in a story. If he had a team of people helping him iron out his ideas, then I think his movies would be much, much better.
 
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Yeah you can see this if you look at his comic work. Like Dark Nights Metal and Death Metal (really a thing) if you want to see Synder off a leash.

It's almost... Grant Morrison-esque in a lot of ways. But Morrison sucks when he doesn't have any editorial control pushing him to refine his ideas. Synder has much of the same problem. Big ideas, but he needs someone to yank his leash once in awhile and say "look, you've only got 2 hours/24 pages - you need to cut half of these ideas out."
 
angryjosevascepa69 said:
This may be a controversial opinion but I think Tim is funny and I'm glad he's staring in BOTW regularly now.
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I have no problems with any of the guests. The videos are edited, so unlike a stream where if someone annoying is monopolizing the conversation it ruins the whole thing. As is, the editing seems to favor our heroes egnough that I am sated with meat and potatoes and any additions are just a differnt flavor to spice it up hit or miss.
 
I find it interesting that there was never an actual Man of Steel 2, only Supes being part of an ensemble.

I think a Snyder led DCU could have worked with some tweaking, it's ok to make them darker to contrast with Marvel, but they made them a little too dark and a little too grounded, DC should always be pretty stylized and operatic, trying to have those characters in the "real world" doesn't really work.

And secondly they were just too bloated, too much stuff crammed into each movie, which is ironic because now Justice League The Snyder Cut is going to be 4 whole hours, but maybe that will work better at home than in a theater.
 
Dom Cruise said:
I find it interesting that there was never an actual Man of Steel 2, only Supes being part of an ensemble.

I think a Snyder led DCU could have worked with some tweaking, it's ok to make them darker to contrast with Marvel, but they made them a little too dark and a little too grounded, DC should always be pretty stylized and operatic, trying to have those characters in the "real world" doesn't really work.

And secondly they were just too bloated, too much stuff crammed into each movie, which is ironic because now Justice League The Snyder Cut is going to be 4 whole hours, but maybe that will work better at home than in a theater.
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Extra ironic because for the longest time in the comics DC was the company seen as having bright, hopeful stories while marvel was seen as the dark, gritty one. The joke was that Marvel had characters, DC had icons.

And yes, part of what killed DC in theaters is that they rushed it and tried to do in 5 years what marvel spent 10 building. Some things you just can't rush.
 
Flexo said:
Extra ironic because for the longest time in the comics DC was the company seen as having bright, hopeful stories while marvel was seen as the dark, gritty one. The joke was that Marvel had characters, DC had icons.

And yes, part of what killed DC in theaters is that they rushed it and tried to do in 5 years what marvel spent 10 building. Some things you just can't rush.
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Yes, I was going to say that it's Marvel that's supposed to be superheroes in the "real world" and DC that is supposed to be superheroes in a superhero world.
 
Honestly, for DC, I think the answer for them is stuff like Joker.

Darker, adult content, and stand alone stories. Elseworld type of stuff.

Don't worry about copying the Marvel model. Let film makers tackle these stories and characters with complete freedom to execute whatever vision they have and see if it works. Joker worked, so why not try it again with other characters and properties?

I would LOVE a Justice League Dark film. Constantine, Deadman, Zatanna, Etrigan, Swamp Thing....all those guys in a dark and weird ass movie? I'd be down. Trying to shoehorn it into a cinematic universe though? Yeah, no thanks.
 
RumblyTumbly said:
Darker, adult content, and stand alone stories. Elseworld type of stuff.
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Except superman, pull cavell out again and have him do reeves style superman flicks, happy movies about the good guy winning.

(I hear theres a new supes show, maybe they figured this much out already)
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Mike went to film school. He's an urban dandy, through and through.
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i remember they mentioned he was from northern illinois, which i assumed meant probably some yuppie suburb north of chicago tbqh. they dont exactly love guns in that area iirc

i dont even think jack is a gun nut either. dude was raised on a farm so he probably shot a gun before, but iirc he admitted he wasnt really sure about the specifics of guns during that varmint shooting video. it was something where he didnt know what bullet grain meant or something I think.
 
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