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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

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    Votes: 541 50.4%
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    Votes: 64 6.0%

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First thing I saw was Phantom Menace review which I loved but wasn't aware of anything else by these schlubs.

What really hooked me was the Resident Evil video and Rich's manic laughter. As they say: It was borderline experimental.
 
This is completely alien to me for reasons I'll get into below.



Me. Well, kind of. I wasn't there at the very start, but for the longest time I only knew of RLM because I picked up their reviews in the Related Videos while I was pulling up Star Trek clips on Youtube. The Plinkett Phantom Menace review got reccomended to me first and I think I watched about half of it before I got kind of bored by it at the time. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I was either watching AVGN or SFDebris and that's when they came up in the reccomendations for Star Trek stuff. I was like "Oh, these guys did the TNG movies too?" and from there I was hooked. This was circa 2010 I'd say.

Honestly the main reasons I latched on to them at first was because I was a dipshit in high school who really liked Star Trek, wasn't a big Star Wars fan and basically nobody else gave a flying fuck about what I had to say about either franchise. So for me the draw was these nerds talking about SF only I had really strong opinions on in my social circle. I also loved their Avatar review because I thought that movie was stupid. Many times during game nights with friends I'd flip on an RLM review while we stopped to eat for the evening or something as background noise since I wasn't a TV guy.

I probably ignored HitB and Best of the Worst until maybe 2015-2016 or so, with one exception: I remember I tuned in for the Into Darkness Review when it was fresh in my reccomendations (so 2013ish) and had no idea who the hell Rich was.

As much as I like Half in the Bag and Best of the Worst today I'm kind of shocked that the Plinkett reviews sailed out of public perception so quickly. I feel like the RLM crew will never admit it but they probably think the Plinkett reviews are overrated. They've also been heavily crticized for the edgy humor and stuff which, in retrospect, is actually quite distracting from the reviews themselves even if I still get a chuckle at it ("GET OUTTA MY POPCORN TUB!"). I'd be interested to see them do like a 20 minute documentary/retrospective on the Plinkett Reviews since its been so long since they first got popular, but I think they don't really want to talk about it and would rather stay with their current lineup.

It is a bit of shame they mostly abandoned Plinkett reviews because there was something satisfying about how they would get so deep and thorough into why a movie doesn't work, but I'm sure it took a lot of time to make something so comprehensive, so I don't mind them wanting to focus more on other things.

First thing I saw was Phantom Menace review which I loved but wasn't aware of anything else by these schlubs.

What really hooked me was the Resident Evil video and Rich's manic laughter. As they say: It was borderline experimental.

The intro to Rich's laughter for me (and I think the first time it was ever featured in a video) was the Half in The Bag episode with Galaxy Invader, man was that a trip.
 
The intro to Rich's laughter for me (and I think the first time it was ever featured in a video) was the Half in The Bag episode with Galaxy Invader, man was that a trip.

Mike: "I didn't know know tribbles had human blood."
*Rich loses it hard*
Jay: (seems like he's actually shocked) "Oh my god."

My favorite moment where Rich loses it is probably the Rogue One video though, admittedly.
 
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I watched that one recently and had the same thought. So much has changed for them in 10 years.

It's funny to me Mike still holds that one big break review as his crowning achievement, but the current fans probably don't agree. And while it was big online a decade ago, it wasn't even big enough to fill a screening room. It was just "some guy made funny thing". Literally no one cared WHO made it. RLM YT and twitter bios both read "RLM is responsible for the 70 minute Phantom Menace review as well as Space Cop, Half in the Bag, and Best of the Worst". He still sees it as a big enough thing to mention first. If you asked anyone who happened to know what RLM was what they're "known for" 10 years ago they would have said Mr. Plinkett and/or that specific review, not any of their films or Mike's other projects. Ask them today and you'll likely not hear Plinkett reviews mentioned at all. There are probably fans who have never even watched them. I'm not saying those reviews are irrelevant because they're not, but they've evolved so far beyond it.

I guess my point is it's amazing to me that Mike and co managed to leverage one big viral early YT moment into the legacy they have today. Mike had been hustling for yeaaaaars making weird films and going to cons trying to gain exposure and recognition for his work and got nowhere until his 30s. He made a bunch of talking fruit films thinking that was going to be his big thing. No one cared. Short films with his friends like Feeding Frenzy. No one cared (at the time). Nothing got a wide appeal like the SW review. Then he kept them around with HitB, something he didn't even think would find an audience, yet is arguably his most popular creation. Completely eclipsing what he was once "known for". The channel didn't take off until he and Jay came in front of the camera.

And now he has that exposure he slaved for for years and almost seems to regret it.

God, you're giving me such a flashback to years ago. It's just coming back to me, was watching one of the Plinkett Videos. I think I was doing some cleaning around my room at the time or something like that and I wanted a long video so I didn't have to change it up a lot. So I put on "That awesome long Star Wars review" and I imagine at some point Youtube decided to queue up an Half in the Bag and I was curious about what else was on their channel.

I remember watching the episode and it had Rich as MrPlinkett but Mike was there too and I was like. But but but that guy is clearly the voice of Mr Plinkett but they have another guy playing him? It's such a weird feeling thinking back on that time and not knowing who these guys were and how over the years, yeah, like Dom Cruise says, kinda let them into your lives and get to know them.

I had a conversation with a more liberal friend of mine lately and when I mentioned them he says "These guys making their living of shitting on nerd culture" and it just bugged me because clearly to him he'd only known them for shitting on Star Wars when they celebrate and love movies so much in reality.

I too almost forgotten that to many that's what they are when it's a lot more about Mike, Jay, Rich and company talking about good movies, talking about bad movies, and talking about whatever the fuck was on the wheel of the worst.

Edit: As for really early shit before anyone knew about it. Huuuh, I watched Tampopo on TV before there even was an (commonplace) internet how about that? For the longest time I thought that I halucinated that fucking movie until I read about it online.
 
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I had a conversation with a more liberal friend of mine lately and when I mentioned them he says "These guys making their living of shitting on nerd culture" and it just bugged me because clearly to him he'd only known them for shitting on Star Wars when they celebrate and love movies so much in reality.

I do agree and find that point of view frustrating especially since it relates to my experience as well. I remember an era where if I wanted to look up nerdy shit, I essentially had to make a circut of AVGN, SFDebris, maybe some other vidya reviewers whom I really don't give a fuck about anymore, and that was it. RLM was a breath of fresh air at the time. I still like their opinions on stuff, but you have to realize that back in the day seeing people review the TNG movies and SW prequels I thought only I cared about was a big deal.

A lot of nerd culture has been taken over by poeple who don't seem to "get it". I know how pretentious that sounds but now being a "Nerd" is cool. I remember people giving me shit for even just enjoying Star Trek. Basically nobody wanted to talk about vintage SF and most of my game night crew participated in my board games because they were curious. At least at first. People would tune me out when I'd start gabbing about some science fact I'd read in an article, theorizing about stuff was considered spergy, etc.

I feel like I fell into some alternate world these days because you have weirdos like Bronies running around, Star Trek is considered boomer shit only your old man watches, Star Wars is just, jesus christ, Star Wars man, its okay to enjoy movies now, you have grown men playing with toys on Youtube, board games are an abominably huge internet phenomena (most of those videos don't even focus on playing the damn game), vidya gaming culture is massive, and I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE.

I'm not an older guy but it was very different even just 10 years ago. I guess had I been a little more well traveled I could have participated in other forums, but i think my point stands that RLM filled a particular cultural niche back then.
 
I feel like I fell into some alternate world these days because you have weirdos like Bronies running around, Star Trek is considered boomer shit only your old man watches, Star Wars is just, jesus christ, Star Wars man, its okay to enjoy movies now, you have grown men playing with toys on Youtube, board games are an abominably huge internet phenomena (most of those videos don't even focus on playing the damn game), vidya gaming culture is massive, and I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE.

God I fucking HATE tabletop, and Will Wheaton's smug fucking face.
 
I do agree and find that point of view frustrating especially since it relates to my experience as well. I remember an era where if I wanted to look up nerdy shit, I essentially had to make a circut of AVGN, SFDebris, maybe some other vidya reviewers whom I really don't give a fuck about anymore, and that was it. RLM was a breath of fresh air at the time. I still like their opinions on stuff, but you have to realize that back in the day seeing people review the TNG movies and SW prequels I thought only I cared about was a big deal.

A lot of nerd culture has been taken over by poeple who don't seem to "get it". I know how pretentious that sounds but now being a "Nerd" is cool. I remember people giving me shit for even just enjoying Star Trek. Basically nobody wanted to talk about vintage SF and most of my game night crew participated in my board games because they were curious. At least at first. People would tune me out when I'd start gabbing about some science fact I'd read in an article, theorizing about stuff was considered spergy, etc.

I feel like I fell into some alternate world these days because you have weirdos like Bronies running around, Star Trek is considered boomer shit only your old man watches, Star Wars is just, jesus christ, Star Wars man, its okay to enjoy movies now, you have grown men playing with toys on Youtube, board games are an abominably huge internet phenomena (most of those videos don't even focus on playing the damn game), vidya gaming culture is massive, and I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE.

I'm not an older guy but it was very different even just 10 years ago. I guess had I been a little more well traveled I could have participated in other forums, but i think my point stands that RLM filled a particular cultural niche back then.

The 2000s was the best period for nerd culture because it had that good balance where it had newfound popularity, but was not so mainstream that it had to kowtow to political correctness, it was allowed to be what it is naturally.

What we have today is a phenomenon that isn't just SJW infiltration, but also, I don't know what you'd call it exactly, but it's people who get off on the fact that they've taken away nerd culture from other people, their love of modern day comics, Star Wars, Star Trek, tabletop RPGs etc isn't motivated by a genuine love for the stuff, it's motivated by a love that it angers the "manbabies" who dislike it, it's motivated purely by spite, not a genuine appreciation of anything.

The fans of The Last Jedi for example love the movie because it's a big middle finger to older generations of Star Wars fans, you see that time and time again, it isn't just political content, it's the message of "this isn't your hobby/franchise anymore you toxic white male manbabies!"

It's really nasty and ugly that this is the world we live in now, where people are motivated purely by spite and nothing else.

This is why Red Letter Media might be my favorite thing media wise from the last ten years, it's been a rough fucking decade, watching as everything that was cool about pop culture being systematically dismantled and stripped out piece by piece, but at least we've all been able to collectively share a good laugh with these Milwaukee guys as everything goes down in flames.
 
Can't remember the first thing I ever saw of theirs but discovery went HitB - BotW - Plinkett - Everything else. I was not an early fan at all. I've only been regularly watching their stuff for 2 years at most. There was a time I was watching a lot of movie review channels and that landed HitB in my recommends. That was probably 4 years ago but I would only rarely watch their vids if I happened to have seen the movie they were talking about. Then I started watching any HitB that popped up, and then youtube mainlined the rest of their content into my veins and here I am.
 
What we have today is a phenomenon that isn't just SJW infiltration, but also, I don't know what you'd call it exactly, but it's people who get off on the fact that they've taken away nerd culture from other people, their love of modern day comics, Star Wars, Star Trek, tabletop RPGs etc isn't motivated by a genuine love for the stuff, it's motivated by a love that it angers the "manbabies" who dislike it, it's motivated purely by spite, not a genuine appreciation of anything.

I make it no secret that I am a tremendous antisocial pessimist but even I don't believe this interpretation. And trust me, its a common interpretation. I think the people who act smug about invading nerd culture are the symptom, not the disease. Like that smugness is the result of their effort to become accepted in those groups. I recall dealing with this in my high school years when I started hosting game nights. The people who I remained friends with were more interested in the game or in the social small talk as the game played out. The people who bragged, acted like we were weird, didn't want to engage in banter or small talk were usually always told the same thing.

"Yeah yeah dude, just shut up and play the game."

I think its some kind of ego thing. Like when these people enter a situation they have to dominate it, and they feel uncomfortable or self-conscious when they aren't the center of attention. Not out of malice but just like out of some sort of caveman instinct. I primarily recognize it because I have kind of the same instinct, just a bit more subdued. Nobody likes to be ignored at the end of the day. I think maybe nerds are just better at dealing with it than the average person is. Relating back to RLM, they actually kind of brought this up in one of their Quarantine Catchup movies when they made fun of celebrities freaking out on Twitter because nobody is paying attention to them.
 
I make it no secret that I am a tremendous antisocial pessimist but even I don't believe this interpretation. And trust me, its a common interpretation. I think the people who act smug about invading nerd culture are the symptom, not the disease. Like that smugness is the result of their effort to become accepted in those groups. I recall dealing with this in my high school years when I started hosting game nights. The people who I remained friends with were more interested in the game or in the social small talk as the game played out. The people who bragged, acted like we were weird, didn't want to engage in banter or small talk were usually always told the same thing.

"Yeah yeah dude, just shut up and play the game."

I think its some kind of ego thing. Like when these people enter a situation they have to dominate it, and they feel uncomfortable or self-conscious when they aren't the center of attention. Not out of malice but just like out of some sort of caveman instinct. I primarily recognize it because I have kind of the same instinct, just a bit more subdued. Nobody likes to be ignored at the end of the day. I think maybe nerds are just better at dealing with it than the average person is. Relating back to RLM, they actually kind of brought this up in one of their Quarantine Catchup movies when they made fun of celebrities freaking out on Twitter because nobody is paying attention to them.

That's my point though, it's motivated by their egos, it's not about the thing itself, it's about how they can use Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel etc to assemble an identity around themselves, ergo they think it makes them "cool", real nerds don't give a shit whether people consider this stuff cool, we'd like this stuff even if it wasn't "cool" as Devo said "We're Through Being Cool"

And in the old days many nerds had to put up with violent bullying because of it and did so anyway, meanwhile today these people are all just bandwagon hoppers because "Geek chic" took off, if that hadn't happened they never would have looked twice at comics, video games, Star Wars, Star Trek etc, they are not people willing to take a punch in the face for it, that's the key difference.

But in today's identity politics obsessed era there's another element to it and that's the spiteful element, you may disagree but I've seen plenty of this stuff, SJWs get off on the idea of making the "manbabies" mad by taking away their things, peep this comic for example https://thenib.com/video-gays/, literally flipping us off and telling us to "die angry about it"

For me personally I'm less concerned about trend chasing posers, you don't necessarily have to be willing to take a punch in the face for nerd culture, we could have been a sandbox big enough for everyone to play in, but if you're going to come along and show nothing but hate and contempt for those that came before, for those that would take a punch for it and you're going to gloat about taking it away from those people and not show a single shred of proper respect, then you can kindly fuck the hell off.

In other words Geek chic was fine but it was ruined by a bunch of toxic, spiteful and flat out evil people.
 
But in today's identity politics obsessed era there's another element to it and that's the spiteful element, you may disagree but I've seen plenty of this stuff, SJWs get off on the idea of making the "manbabies" mad by taking away their things, peep this comic for example https://thenib.com/video-gays/, literally flipping us off and telling us to "die angry about it"

I think this part is probably where we disagree the most, because narcissists being petty is completely unsurprising to me. In retrospect that level of cynicism is probably why I don't think the trend of SJWs taking over stuff is all that shocking. I dunno if that says more about me than it does the world, but my usual response to people complaining about this stuff is "Yeah, I was there for Twilight you know. You didn't listen to me when I said it was going to ruin pop culture."

Worth it though because I get to point at Current Year and gloat that I was right all along. At least that's what I keep telling myself.
 
I think this part is probably where we disagree the most, because narcissists being petty is completely unsurprising to me. In retrospect that level of cynicism is probably why I don't think the trend of SJWs taking over stuff is all that shocking. I dunno if that says more about me than it does the world, but my usual response to people complaining about this stuff is "Yeah, I was there for Twilight you know. You didn't listen to me when I said it was going to ruin pop culture."

Worth it though because I get to point at Current Year and gloat that I was right all along. At least that's what I keep telling myself.

Twilight does seem to be where all this shit started.
 
I think its some kind of ego thing. Like when these people enter a situation they have to dominate it, and they feel uncomfortable or self-conscious when they aren't the center of attention.
Basically. I think people who do this, and I've witnessed it too, are just deeply insecure about their social status. Like they know they aren't on the top rung and haven't fully accepted it. They think the top rung people would look down on them for doing X activity so when they are invited to do X activity they act (either consciously or unconsciously) like they think the top rung people would. Which is usually to neg and try to dominate. Just crabs in a bucket shit really. If I can't be up there I'm at least going to be on top of the rest of you. Meanwhile the people who are secure in their standing and don't feel the need to jockey for social standing don't care. Like you said, shut up and play the game.

"Geek chic" took off, if that hadn't happened they never would have looked twice at comics, video games, Star Wars, Star Trek etc, they are not people willing to take a punch in the face for it, that's the key difference.

Which also explains why insecurity plays a large part in why geek chic took off. Insecure people will build their entire personality around a fandom because they have nothing else. X fandom gets big (because insecue people go look at this super special niche thing I'm into I'm so cool), and other insecure people latch onto it because hey now you can belong to something. It's easy. It's going with the group. But that's also why there is so much infighting in literally every fandom. Crabs in a bucket. They never really liked X fandom that much, they just liked belonging to something all their friends liked or liked feeling sooper speshul. People who actually like X are a threat to that because they aren't there for the social points first, nor are they trying to flaunt some niche thing for speshul points. hence the infighting and attacking. They'll take the punch, but they won't do the bullying, because they aren't insecure. It's like we've come full circle. Instead of the top rung punching down it's the same rung punching itself.
 
Hey, speaking of stuff we were discussing earlier, some madman went and made the Plinkett reviews HD earlier this year. There's even bookmarks to jump points in the post.

And yes, if you want to check, he's done episode 1 and 2 so far as well.

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I'm going to vote for Ensigns of Command

The Sheliak are a single hive mind, linked telepathically.

Consider:
When the Federation says they didn't know there were 15,000 humans living in Sheliak space the Sheliak accuse them of lying, because they thing the humans are also a telepathic hive mind.
When Picard rants about how killing 15,000 individuals is a bad thing, the Sheliak are baffled.
 
I'm going to vote for Ensigns of Command

The Sheliak are a single hive mind, linked telepathically.

Consider:
When the Federation says they didn't know there were 15,000 humans living in Sheliak space the Sheliak accuse them of lying, because they thing the humans are also a telepathic hive mind.
When Picard rants about how killing 15,000 individuals is a bad thing, the Sheliak are baffled.
It does have just one of the most epic legal pwnages in fiction.

Fun fact - it was also the second episode of S3, proving just how much of a leap in quality things had going from 2 - 3.
 
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It does just have one of the most epic legal pwnages in fiction.

Fun fact - it was also the second episode of S3, proving just how much of a leap in quality things had going from 2 - 3.

Picard wandering the bridge as the Sheliak desperately try to concede the negotiation and inspecting the commission plaque for dust is a Top 5 moment of the whole series for sure.
 
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