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[Miller]

I wouldn't out it past Breen or someone associated with him to have striked it.

I would have done the same, tbh. Mike and Jay were both smug when they were giving advices to Breen on how to make movies. Coming from the people who made Space Cop, that's quite ironic.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Really wish they didn't keep cutting to that horrible Depp remake duringt the Re:View, and instead spent half the time on the original and then brought out Mr. Plinkett to shit hard on the remake.

Loathe that fucking movie. It deserves nothing less.

As much as I miss and lionize the 2000s today the remake is a good example of one of the things that sucked about the 2000s and that was the oftentimes cynical attitude with no room for genuine whimsy.

The Burton "Willy Wonka" film is bad, but his Alice in Wonderland film was even worse - it's almost like a savage parody of the worst of Burton's directorial tics and excesses, written by a group of people who heartily despise his oeuvre.

That was when his career officially shit the bed.

 

[Miller]

Really wish they didn't keep cutting to that horrible Depp remake duringt the Re:View

What's the deal with the cinematography in that remake? I can't stand the weird blur on the faces.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

The Burton "Willy Wonka" film is bad, but his Alice in Wonderland film was even worse - it's almost like a savage parody of the worst of Burton's directorial tics and excesses, written by a group of people who heartily despise his oeuvre.

When I first started venturing online, back in 1999 or so, every time a Burton project was announced, the comments would be filled with people wishing that he’d direct new adaptations of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Alice in Wonderland “but make ‘em all dark!” Granted, this was before he had reached the depths of self-parody, but still. Thank God he made Ed Wood when he did.

 

[ditto]

As much as I miss and lionize the 2000s today the remake is a good example of one of the things that sucked about the 2000s and that was the oftentimes cynical attitude with no room for genuine whimsy.

Most of the good 00s was really post 2005. The cynicism of the early 2000s was a cultural desert.

What's the deal with the cinematography in that remake? I can't stand the weird blur on the faces.

The CGI of the time really wasn't up to the task. I think Burton smeared it with blur so the difference between CGI and live action effects isn't so obvious.

 

[Pokemonquistador2]

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory without Whimsy is like a desert without water. Like a Christmas spent at your bitchy aunt's house listening to her talk about her gall bladder surgery. I'll take having to listen to one boring song in the old version of the movie over having Burton vomiting his cringy weirdness at me for 1-1/2 hours in the new version.

 

[Dom Cruise]

When I first started venturing online, back in 1999 or so, every time a Burton project was announced, the comments would be filled with people wishing that he’d direct new adaptations of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Alice in Wonderland “but make ‘em all dark!” Granted, this was before he had reached the depths of self-parody, but still. Thank God he made Ed Wood when he did.

I remember hearing a rumor in the early 2000s that he was going to remake The Wizard of Oz.

A Tim Burton Alice in Wonderland was the most obvious idea in the world, it could have been cool had he done it in the 80s or 90s though.

Burton's visual style was cool when it was actual physical things, intricate sets, models, stop motion animation, costumes, when most of that stuff became CGI it just became totally soulless.

The only time CGI really worked in a Tim Burton movie was Mars Attacks, but the CG in that had a very stop motion feel (and I believe was originally meant to be stop motion) and there were still sets and locations and things, it wasn't all filmed on a big green screen sound stage.

Mars Attacks is not a great movie but it's still far better than most of what came later.

Most of the good 00s was really post 2005. The cynicism of the early 2000s was a cultural desert.

It was still preferable to what we have now, but yeah, that cynicism often sucked, I think of the horrendous, horrendous live action Cat In The Hat movie for another example.

 

[ditto]

It was still preferable to what we have now, but yeah, that cynicism often sucked, I think of the horrendous, horrendous live action Cat In The Hat movie for another example.

The 2000s at least had a sincerity that feels missing now.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

The only time CGI really worked in a Tim Burton movie was Mars Attacks, but the CG in that had a very stop motion feel (and I believe was originally meant to be stop motion) and there were still sets and locations and things, it wasn't all filmed on a big green screen sound stage.

Mars Attacks is not a great movie but it's still far better than most of what came later.

The Martians were originally going to be stop motion figures but that was nixed when CGI was determined to be cheaper and faster. They are wonderfully realized creations, too. Mars Attacks! is wildly uneven, but I would love it if Burton made something as “bad” as it now.

 

[Dom Cruise]

The Martians were originally going to be stop motion figures but that was nixed when CGI was determined to be cheaper and faster. They are wonderfully realized creations, too. Mars Attacks! is wildly uneven, but I would love it if Burton made something as “bad” as it now.

Stop motion is actually what CGI is the best replacement for, look at Jurassic Park for example.

I mean I love stop motion but there's no denying CGI gives you smoother motion.

CGI is a useful tool but Hollywood has too often gone overboard in wanting to use it to replace everything, even makeup and costumes.

There's always going to be something to things existing in physical space, your brain is hardwired to recognize what is real and what isn't, that's why the best CGI effects are often things that blend something real in, like performance and motion capture, some examples being Davy Jones in the Pirates of The Caribbean sequels and Thanos in the Avengers movies.

 

[Idiotron]

I would have done the same, tbh. Mike and Jay were both smug when they were giving advices to Breen on how to make movies. Coming from the people who made Space Cop, that's quite ironic.

Space Cop is miles ahead of anything Breen has ever done in terms of production quality.
Also, RLM were trying to make a movie that they would watch on BOTW, Breen is actually trying to make good movies.

 

[Red Hood]

I remember hearing a rumor in the early 2000s that he was going to remake The Wizard of Oz.

A Tim Burton Alice in Wonderland was the most obvious idea in the world, it could have been cool had he done it in the 80s or 90s though.

Burton's visual style was cool when it was actual physical things, intricate sets, models, stop motion animation, costumes, when most of that stuff became CGI it just became totally soulless.

The only time CGI really worked in a Tim Burton movie was Mars Attacks, but the CG in that had a very stop motion feel (and I believe was originally meant to be stop motion) and there were still sets and locations and things, it wasn't all filmed on a big green screen sound stage.

Mars Attacks is not a great movie but it's still far better than most of what came later.



It was still preferable to what we have now, but yeah, that cynicism often sucked, I think of the horrendous, horrendous live action Cat In The Hat movie for another example.

Burton's more interested in chasing that Hot Topic money than he is making interesting movies nowadays.

 

[Flexo]

Stop motion is actually what CGI is the best replacement for, look at Jurassic Park for example.

I mean I love stop motion but there's no denying CGI gives you smoother motion.

CGI is a useful tool but Hollywood has too often gone overboard in wanting to use it to replace everything, even makeup and costumes.

There's always going to be something to things existing in physical space, your brain is hardwired to recognize what is real and what isn't, that's why the best CGI effects are often things that blend something real in, like performance and motion capture, some examples being Davy Jones in the Pirates of The Caribbean sequels and Thanos in the Avengers movies.

There are times I wish they could merge the two. Do stop motion (and animatronics) and then use CGI to smooth the frames out.

CGI always seems better as a filler, than a main course (exception: Pixar).

 

[ditto]

I would have done the same, tbh. Mike and Jay were both smug when they were giving advices to Breen on how to make movies. Coming from the people who made Space Cop, that's quite ironic.

Space Cop wanted to be The Room but it ended up being The Neighbors.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Burton's more interested in chasing that Hot Topic money than he is making interesting movies nowadays.

It's possible that sometimes filmmakers say all they need to say after a point.

 

[BubbleButt]

Space Cop wanted to be The Room but it ended up being The Neighbors.

I think it was more like Partners than The Neighbors.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Burton's more interested in chasing that Hot Topic money than he is making interesting movies nowadays.

Now a days?

Go watch Eddie Scissor hands and tell me that wasn't chasing Hot Topic before Hot Topic was a thing.

 

[Red Hood]

Now a days?

Go watch Eddie Scissor hands and tell me that wasn't chasing Hot Topic before Hot Topic was a thing.

I mean, Scissorhands at least has something to say about being an outsider in the suburbs. In 1991 it wasn't using that to move much merch; that came significantly later.

 

[Idiotron]

People hate on Burton for just doing cash grabs but then, when he makes something like Big Eyes, nobody goes to see it.
Anyone seen Big Eyes?
Yeah, exactly.

 

[ZehnBoat]

am i the only person that likes the burton wonka movie?