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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%
  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%
  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%
  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%
  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%
  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%
  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%
  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%
  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%
  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%

  • Total voters
    1,073
I agree the sequel obsession is not good, but some can handle it better than others. Despite the obvious issues with demystification (that cat is out of the bag now), the Alien setting can withstand all sorts of stories. The Terminator one is a joke because time-travel renders the whole thing incomprehensible and contradictory, it's a plot-hole extravaganza.

The main thing that drives constant sequels is nobody watches new IPs either, despite most being better than barrel-scraping franchises.
 
I love how when Fred Olen Ray says the word "shitpickle" Steve Latshaws brain has a short circuit before he spergs out. Truly one of the finest commentary tracks along with any commentary with the Polonia Bros.

The commentary for Cannibal! The Musical is up there as well as far as legendary commentaries go:


The one they did for Ogazmo should be checked out too.

I'm convinced that James Rolfe listened to the Jack-O commentary and that's where he got the idea to create the Shit Pickle character.

 
But seriously, can we just let these franchises die? Terminator, Predator, Alien, Ghostbusters, Star Wars.... let it go. Make something new (without the Wachowskis).

Out of those I still see potential in Ghostbusters, because as bad as the 2016 movie was it was a remake and thus the continuity of the first two films remains unmolested.

But on top of that despite how iconic the original characters are the real draw of Ghostbusters is the premise itself and that premise inherently lends itself to any number of actors stepping into the role of Ghostbuster.

So in the right hands I think there's loads of potential, we'll see whether the 2020 movie can pull it off.
 
But on top of that despite how iconic the original characters are the real draw of Ghostbusters is the premise itself and that premise inherently lends itself to any number of actors stepping into the role of Ghostbuster.

Nah. The success of Ghostbusters was the chemistry of Aykroyd, Ramis, and Murray, along with the wildly different levels of seriousness they brought to the project: Ramis was his usual professional self, Aykroyd was and is insanely convinced a lot of this craziness was real, and Murray didn't give much of a shit (and still doesn't). They weren't able to replicate it in the sequel to anywhere near the same degree, and I really don't think it's ever going to work again.
 
Nah. The success of Ghostbusters was the chemistry of Aykroyd, Ramis, and Murray, along with the wildly different levels of seriousness they brought to the project: Ramis was his usual professional self, Aykroyd was and is insanely convinced a lot of this craziness was real, and Murray didn't give much of a shit (and still doesn't). They weren't able to replicate it in the sequel to anywhere near the same degree, and I really don't think it's ever going to work again.

The sequel had its moments and is still superior to the remake.
 
The sequel had its moments and is still superior to the remake.

I have a really hard time articulating why it isn't as good, and I think it's just that once the initial shot of lunatic originality behind the idea of blue collar exterminators chasing ghosts wears off, it becomes more of a typical fantasy/comedy movie. It does have a few really great moments, though -- I had a buddy in law school who would endlessly quote Louis Tully's opening statement at their trial. "One time I turned into a dog, and they helped me. Thank you."

It is definitely superior to the remake, but then again I would rather watch autopsy videos than Fembusters.
 
I have a really hard time articulating why it isn't as good, and I think it's just that once the initial shot of lunatic originality behind the idea of blue collar exterminators chasing ghosts wears off, it becomes more of a typical fantasy/comedy movie. It does have a few really great moments, though -- I had a buddy in law school who would endlessly quote Louis Tully's opening statement at their trial. "One time I turned into a dog, and they helped me. Thank you."

It is definitely superior to the remake, but then again I would rather watch autopsy videos than Fembusters.


I read this every so often and I think about how shallow and stupid Feigbusters was
 
Nah. The success of Ghostbusters was the chemistry of Aykroyd, Ramis, and Murray, along with the wildly different levels of seriousness they brought to the project: Ramis was his usual professional self, Aykroyd was and is insanely convinced a lot of this craziness was real, and Murray didn't give much of a shit (and still doesn't). They weren't able to replicate it in the sequel to anywhere near the same degree, and I really don't think it's ever going to work again.

You're not wrong, the original movie will always be special, but I think you can still make solid movies with that premise, I think Ghostbusters 2 is a very solid movie despite some flaws, though I think you can do even better than 2 potentially.

It's just that Ghostbusters has a very fascinating world, like a comedic take on the Lovecraft mythos and I think there's just still a lot of potential to stories you could tell with the general idea.
 
You're not wrong, the original movie will always be special, but I think you can still make solid movies with that premise, I think Ghostbusters 2 is a very solid movie despite some flaws, though I think you can do even better than 2 potentially.

It's just that Ghostbusters has a very fascinating world, like a comedic take on the Lovecraft mythos and I think there's just still a lot of potential to stories you could tell with the general idea.

The first season or two of The Real Ghostbusters suggests you're correct.
 
I have a really hard time articulating why it isn't as good, and I think it's just that once the initial shot of lunatic originality behind the idea of blue collar exterminators chasing ghosts wears off, it becomes more of a typical fantasy/comedy movie. It does have a few really great moments, though -- I had a buddy in law school who would endlessly quote Louis Tully's opening statement at their trial. "One time I turned into a dog, and they helped me. Thank you."

It is definitely superior to the remake, but then again I would rather watch autopsy videos than Fembusters.

I should hate Ghostbusters 2 because it does so many things I hate about some sequels. There are some sequels that basically just make the same exact movie as the first one, but they change one variable (IE the setting) to make it seem different when it really isn't. In the case of Ghostbusters 2, it is almost a beat for beat rehash of the first film...but it has a baby in it! So that makes it different! Think back to Home Alone 2 (Same exact movie as the first, but in New York!) or good God almighty, what about Hangover 2? That one felt like they just played mad libs with the script of the first and then just switched out all the variables and presented as a different movie, even though it plays out exactly the same.

Here, the Ghostbusters have to put the business back together, we see them go through another successful montage of capturing ghosts after a rousing first successful capture, the villain targets Dana Barrett which pulls the Ghostbusters onto the case, Peter tries to win over Dana (again), and there is a giant in the climax (in this case, The Statue of Liberty, used for the side of good this time). Its basically the same movie.

And this always bugged me, but I hated that they romantically paired up Jeanine and Louis when in the first film and the cartoon show, Egon and Jeanine were the budding couple. Yeah, the fucked with my ship and I got miffed. Sue me. There are other elements that don't quite work as well as the first either. Louis' side plot of trying to become a Ghostbuster ultimately doesn't amount to much as he does virtually nothing. And Vigo, while intimidating, never quite feels like the apocalyptic threat that Gozer was.

However, there are elements to it that I appreciated. Peter McNichol is a hoot in the film, and signs of the great chemistry the cast had in the first film are definitely there from time to time. I think the big problem here is that the movie tried to play it safe by making a movie too similar to the first, but maybe softened up a bit. Tub scene aside, 2 was not as scary as the first either which gave this film less of a bite.

Honestly, there is an episode of The Real Ghostbusters cartoon show that would have actually been a better sequel if it was made into a movie. In "Citizen Ghost" the Ghostbusters' suits that were covered in Gozer's marshmallow mess in the climax of the first film come to life as evil spiritual forms of the Ghostbusters and start running amuck throughout the city with their own proton packs and everything. If they had made this into a movie, you would have seen the Ghostbusters confront evil versions of themselves, and even become allies with a ghost (This episode was the one that detailed how Slimer joined the gang). To expand on for a movie, they could have had each Ghostbuster have to deal with some personal issue that the evil version becomes an outward representation of and they'd have to conquer those fears and inadequacies. Lets say Peter has trouble committing to Dana because he likes being a free skirt-chasing bachelor, and the evil version of him represents his greedy and womanizing side, and Egon has fears of intimacy as he can't admit his feelings for Jeanine and buries himself in his work (see I'm still trying to make that ship happen), so the evil Egon is a cold, calculating, intelligent, and heartless monster, and so on and so on. I don't know, I'm just throwing ideas out there.
 
I don't know, I'm just throwing ideas out there.

You want a Real Ghostbusters episode that would make a fucking great movie, look no further than "Ragnarok 'n' Roll." It's not remotely a comedy, and was definitely not for kids. Written by J. Michael Straczynski, of all people.
 
Out of those I still see potential in Ghostbusters
As an RGB fan, it shouldn't be hard to scrape up a decent script. All you need is a cast with ACTUAL on screen mojo, which is actually super easy, Disney does it arguably well for the marvel flicks, and those are just stamped out from a mold with a directer left to add some icing to taste.

The actual problem comes with every modern film's allotment of The Three:
1) wymn-r-tough faux-wokeness
2) every character must have an arc about """personal growth""" even if it's trite and obvious and eats up a ton of screentime and is the same thing in every movie.
3) will china's censors let us have x, apparently that was an issue with the obgynbusters since china is fucky about how you present ghosts.
 
Here, the Ghostbusters have to put the business back together, we see them go through another successful montage of capturing ghosts after a rousing first successful capture, the villain targets Dana Barrett which pulls the Ghostbusters onto the case, Peter tries to win over Dana (again), and there is a giant in the climax (in this case, The Statue of Liberty, used for the side of good this time). Its basically the same movie.
Don't forget a creepy manlet having the hots for Dana.
 
I don't get why studios haven't tried to come up with two versions of the script, the China market version, and domestic one. Laziness/cost seems like a bad explanation given how pummelled in reviews films are getting over the China issue, and they do all sorts of wasteful retakes anyway to have to 'fix' these problems at great cost. B movies used to do this type of production doubling all the time, and big studio movies are now all B movies with 150 million dollars of computer effects added on top, then with an attempt to save it all in the editing room.

People can't whine about appeasing China if we're getting the good stuff, and video games already do similar to this with few complaints. You don't even have to worry about butchering, because the Chinese will watch anything that glows and flashes, so theirs can be the gimped version, even better, throw a few additional Chinese domestic actors in there and they'll clap whatever shit you throw at them.

I want to see a version of Terminator: Dark Fate where they've saving specifically China (including Taiwan) from the (((enemy))) and everybody doing it is western because nobody in Asia cares about that. It might even be funnier than whatever we got now.
 
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and everybody doing it is western because nobody in Asia cares about that.

Why the fuck is that? I'm white and love to see my fellow whiteys wreck shit on the silverscreen.

I can understand why europoors and other miscellaneous tiny poor countries settle for American movies even if it isn't their culture, but China should have more than enough population to justify a movie industry to sate their unique cultural needs, should it not?

Hollywood has been pretty shit lately, far from the 80's-90's blockbuster perfection of absolutly iconic works. Just sort of cg mush and bland acting.

(weebs eating up anime is similar but I'll disregard it because most animes don't have jap looking protagonists, just big eyed cartoon characters. and while it's super popular, it's far from actual MAINSTREAM-mainstream, other than Broly and Pokemans tearing up the boxoffice)
 
Asians who weren't fully colonised/retained a strong identity in spite of subjugation (China/Japan/Korea) don't feel the need to react against whitey like India, etc do. There's also a racist element, they look at the rest of the world, and see the light skin most prized in their own cultures, and also one race that "won" against all the other races, so enjoy the idea of being allies or equals to them, and are curious about every aspect of them (I suppose like weebs are with Japan).

There's also a weird disconnect between "drama" and "entertainment" in China, where drama still hasn't escaped the social realism of the communists (and must be rather tame/no culture of transgressive themes like with Japan or the west), vs. action movies that can express both escapism, but also get away with a little more in sentiment that would be censored from the script up with a domestic production. They do like seeing their guys, but often in the context of Chinese settings like wuxia or historical action epics, or more nationalist themed army/crime subjects. International movies are definitely seen as a bit of tourism, and the more 'local flavour' (white actress of the month, white lead they all recognise) these experiences have, the better.
 
I wonder if investing in certain Chinese individuals would help bring a return, too.

I confess, I've enjoyed almost every one of Stephen Chow's corny movies. But then, he takes inspiration from Western movies and Looney Tunes.
 
You want a Real Ghostbusters episode that would make a fucking great movie, look no further than "Ragnarok 'n' Roll." It's not remotely a comedy, and was definitely not for kids. Written by J. Michael Straczynski, of all people.

See, that's the thing, I think Ghostbusters as an ip is actually being constrained somewhat by the comedy.

Not that it should ever be played totally straight, it should always have a comedic bent, but I think it can also work as straight up action/adventure/horror with maybe a few jokes here and there.

Ever play Ghostbusters The Video Game? That game wasn't very funny, but it expanded on the lore of Ghostbusters in fascinating ways and delivered a very exciting adventure, it was basically catnip for a Ghostbusters fan despite mostly failing in the comedy department.

But I'll take that over the obnoxious near constant "comedy" of Fembusters.
 
For me, it's Mike > Rich > Jay.

That said, all three of them are needed to make RLM what it is. Mike's sense of humor is very similar to mine (so I tend to laugh at his jokes the most), Rich is pretty much one of the most endearing people to ever grace the internet, and Jay is the "straight man" that (I think) is very much needed in a piece of entertainment that involves comedy and humor. Plus, Jay is the biggest movie buff of the bunch.

These guys work so insanely well together that it feels a little disingenuous for me to "rank" them, really.
Yeah thinking about it i see it more like you but i still disagree more with him but he necessary and still good like you said, certainly better than Beardfat or AidsMoby
 
Like you have never enjoyed Downsy porn... 🙄
Probably still worse than Mike's favorite, foot porn

See, that's the thing, I think Ghostbusters as an ip is actually being constrained somewhat by the comedy.

Not that it should ever be played totally straight, it should always have a comedic bent, but I think it can also work as straight up action/adventure/horror with maybe a few jokes here and there.

Ever play Ghostbusters The Video Game? That game wasn't very funny, but it expanded on the lore of Ghostbusters in fascinating ways and delivered a very exciting adventure, it was basically catnip for a Ghostbusters fan despite mostly failing in the comedy department.

But I'll take that over the obnoxious near constant "comedy" of Fembusters.
Dan Akroyd originally wanted to do it as a straight supernatural horror film. I'm not joking.
 
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