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[StarkRavingMad]

OT wasn't planned out ahead of time either. They just knew not to kill off Darth Vader halfway through Empire.

So they planned something. They showed an iota of competence, unlike Disney. They also gave themselves time to work on each movie, instead of shitting out one movie a year like Disney had decided to do.

The Prequels sucked; not many people will debate this. This Sequel Trilogy had to win the fans over, therefore it should have been approached with at least a BIT more creativity and care? If the Prequels were a trainwreck, then Disney Star Wars is a Chernobyl.

 

[vertexwindi]

OT wasn't planned out ahead of time either.

Yeah but that was back when no one knew what it was and there were no expectations for it. Star Wars these days is an IP worth billions of dollars, the least they could've done was plan out the trilogy and not, say, have one guy direct the first and third movie and then hand the second over to some nobody who throws everything the first movie did out the window. If it were anyone else but Disney, that alone would've probably bankrupted the owners.

 

[Mola Ram]

OT wasn't planned out ahead of time either. They just knew not to kill off Darth Vader halfway through Empire.

I'm not sure how you figure that. The original Star Wars was infamously a story so huge it was unworkable in a single film. No, everything wasn't planned out in advance to the finest detail (Leia fulfilling the role of "another Skywalker" was a last minute decision when Lucas decided he didn't want to do a second trilogy; the original concept of the Emperor was that of a spineless bureaucrat who was a puppet of the Grand Moffs), but there were large ideas whose groundwork was laid in the first movie in hopes they'd be able to explore it in sequels. The Disney sequels conspicuously lack those ideas, and foolishly allowed Rian Johnson to tank what plot hooks TFA had set up for future installments to build upon.

 

[Megaroad]

Didn't even realize there was a new trailer til viewing this thread so I had no idea what the latest video was about.

I'm still shocked that Disney/Kennedy allowed him to do that and among other things. Kill off the big bad of the new trilogy, kill him off in a very un-dramatic way, and inform the audience literally nothing about his character. We know absolutely nothing about Snoke. It's like something Lucas would have done in the prequels but Lucas at least expanded characters in EU media. General Grievous was given a lot of screen time in the Clone Wars cartoon.

Shit, I liked Jay's idea of grrl power! and Not-V teaming up to get rid of the old powers and create something new. I'd be fine with Snork being some throw away villain if it lead to that story. That'd be subverting done right.

Anything but more of the same.

 

[Commander X]

To be totally fair, Palps coming back is almost certainly a byproduct of JJ desperately trying to fix the story Rian closed the book on by killing off the trilogy's actual villain for no reason.

It SUBVERTED EXPECTATIONS...in a way that only a fool would consider well executed. It's easy to subvert narrative expectations, the "trick" is to actually have a plan for what comes after other than patting yourself on the back for taking the bold step of killing off a character early because you think it shows that you are a grown-up big boy serious creator.

 

[BubbleButt]

It SUBVERTED EXPECTATIONS...in a way that only a fool would consider well executed. It's easy to subvert narrative expectations, the "trick" is to actually have a plan for what comes after other than patting yourself on the back for taking the bold step of killing off a character early because you think it shows that you are a grown-up big boy serious creator.

The Last Jedi's story was basically like your improv partner saying "No" to every single one of your prompts and thinking it's still entertaining.

 

[Mola Ram]

The Last Jedi's story was basically like your improv partner saying "No" to every single one of your prompts and thinking it's still entertaining.

This is so on target it hurts.

"Rey's an orphan with mysterious parentage!"

"LOL they were a couple of nobody drunks."

"The bad guy is a scarred master of the Force with an unknown past and a creepy, inexplicable hold over a Skywalker heir!"

"LOL I cut him in half and leave him dead on the floor."

"That same Skywalker heir was part of a shadowy order of dark knights whose powers and motives are so far unknown!"

"LOL fuck them I'm not doing anything with that shit."

le sigh.

 

[Replicant Sasquatch]

It SUBVERTED EXPECTATIONS...in a way that only a fool would consider well executed. It's easy to subvert narrative expectations, the "trick" is to actually have a plan for what comes after other than patting yourself on the back for taking the bold step of killing off a character early because you think it shows that you are a grown-up big boy serious creator.

Maybe Rian was trying to replicate the shock from his Breaking Bad episode.

The Last Jedi's story was basically like your improv partner saying "No" to every single one of your prompts and thinking it's still entertaining.

TLJ is frustrating to me because most of its story is the kind of shit I really would expect from George. Luke goes crazy from bad dreams. There's a big blue screen CGI casino planet and the characters have to flee from it on giant cartoon horses for thirty minutes. The villain is a non-character who dies. Yoda does stupid shit. The Jedi have books now. The main reason I still prefer it over any of the prequels is because I do still care about most of the characters and the dialogue isn't a constant barrage of wooden nonsense, and I feel most of the RLM guys share this opinion. I think the reason this movie really rubs so many people the wrong way is because it's the anti-EU/Prequelfag movie. It slaughters most of the fanboy sacred cows, which while I don't think that's a bad thing in of itself it was done inelegantly and needlessly most of the time.

Personally the ending to Rogue One was way more offensive to me than anything Johnson did. TLJ is a lot of things but blatant fanboy masturbation it certainly isn't. I know the cool kid opinion right now is TFA is also trash but I found it a competent return to form, and if JJ brings back that measured control for RoS then this new trilogy will end in a satisfying way for me. More so than the Prequels literally ending with "and now all the things you actually like are here again".

 

[Absolutego]

Maybe Rian was trying to replicate the shock from his Breaking Bad episode.


TLJ is frustrating to me because most of its story is the kind of shit I really would expect from George. Luke goes crazy from bad dreams. There's a big blue screen CGI casino planet and the characters have to flee from it on giant cartoon horses for thirty minutes. The villain is a non-character who dies. Yoda does stupid shit. The Jedi have books now. The main reason I still prefer it over any of the prequels is because I do still care about most of the characters and the dialogue isn't a constant barrage of wooden nonsense, and I feel most of the RLM guys share this opinion. I think the reason this movie really rubs so many people the wrong way is because it's the anti-EU/Prequelfag movie. It slaughters most of the fanboy sacred cows, which while I don't think that's a bad thing in of itself it was done inelegantly and needlessly most of the time.

Personally the ending to Rogue One was way more offensive to me than anything Johnson did. TLJ is a lot of things but blatant fanboy masturbation it certainly isn't. I know the cool kid opinion right now is TFA is also trash but I found it a competent return to form, and if JJ brings back that measured control for RoS then this new trilogy will end in a satisfying way for me. More so than the Prequels literally ending with "and now all the things you actually like are here again".

I wonder if the shades of Lucas you see in the Last Jedi isn't somewhat intentional on Disney's part. Every one of these new Star Wars movies had some kind of reshoots or clashes between Disney and the director they hired (with the exception of TFA because JJ Abrams is exactly Disney's preferred type of hack). Perhaps the impetus behind this "things you know" Star Wars porn kinda shit like the last 5 minutes of Rogue One and the entire second climax of The Last Jedi is coming more from Kennedy and her cronies. How different would this series be thus far if they actually let Gareth Edwards make his gritty war flick, or if they let Lorde and Miller do their buddy comedy? What if they actually let Johnson commit to his "fuck everything typical of Star Wars, bury the past, kill it if you have to" nonsense movie?

I obviously don't think all of those would be positive changes (Johnson in particular seems to have gone out of his way to make a bad Star Wars movie), but it'd probably be a more interesting follow-up to the prequels than what we got.

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

Rich Evans Is Never Really Gone.

 

[FrickinFrackinFruckin]

 

[ZehnBoat]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C1jbIPhWziI

where can i get pumaman on dvd or bluray?

EDIT: he said it, he said "electric boogaloo!"

 

[Tookie]

What if they actually let Johnson commit to his "fuck everything typical of Star Wars, bury the past, kill it if you have to" nonsense movie?

Episode IX would be looking a lot more interesting if they had ended TLJ immediately after the throne room fight and had Rey running off with Kylo. I was pretty interested in where they were going with it until they went "nah, there's no plot development in this movie."

 

[BubbleButt]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C1jbIPhWziI

I love hearing Jay crack up in the background.

 

[Gordon Cole]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C1jbIPhWziI

IT HAPPENED AGAIN!?

 

[Flexo]

I'll admit... some of those foreign films are in my queue.

(and I know someone with ninja busters)

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

The madman did this in his Plinkett voice.

Yeah ... I don't think that Mike has quite moved on from Star Wars yet, guys. I can hear whatever is left of his fanboy heart breaking in this video. lol.

But that was always the case in Star Wars. People become ghosts after they die and can talk to others. Why would his "fanboy heart" break because of this?

"Rey's an orphan with mysterious parentage!"

"LOL they were a couple of nobody drunks."

I actually like this reveal because this whole "main character comes from a long line of powerful people" is boring.

Sadly, I expect they make a 180 in the next movie and it turns out Rey's parents where sith oder jedi.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

I actually like this reveal because this whole "main character comes from a long line of powerful people" is boring.

Sadly, I expect they make a 180 in the next movie and it turns out Rey's parents where sith oder jedi.

Co-signed. There are fan theories that Rey is a perfected clone of the Emperor and Snoke was a shitty one. I'd like if that went that route, it gives Rey some importance, assigns some weight to Snoke instead of "Why was he just some guy?!", and doesn't reduce itself to "Actually your parents were super important and he lied and you're like the ultra space princess and everyone is related!".

Doubt they'll go that route, though.

 

[Judge Holden]

Co-signed. There are fan theories that Rey is a perfected clone of the Emperor and Snoke was a shitty one. I'd like if that went that route, it gives Rey some importance, assigns some weight to Snoke instead of "Why was he just some guy?!", and doesn't reduce itself to "Actually your parents were super important and he lied and you're like the ultra space princess and everyone is related!".

Doubt they'll go that route, though.

Ya know.....given how the sequal trilogy and nu star wars in general has obsessively copied all the worst shit from The Glove of Darth Vader books it makes sense that they would finish with ripping off the "unlikable mary sue protagonist is actually the sekrit descendent of Palpatine" shittery as well.

 

[Mola Ram]

But that was always the case in Star Wars. People become ghosts after they die and can talk to others. Why would his "fanboy heart" break because of this?



I actually like this reveal because this whole "main character comes from a long line of powerful people" is boring.

Sadly, I expect they make a 180 in the next movie and it turns out Rey's parents where sith oder jedi.

I didn't need her to come from a powerful bloodline (an idea that's been done to death already). I just needed them to do more with that plot hook than "nothing at all."

Also, I would have taken "nothing at all" if it hadn't been Rian Johnson's answer to every dangling thread from TFA.