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[I'm a Silly]

You know what shocked me about him? That he was the Mexican dude in Night of the Comet.........

And he was Raoul in Eating Raoul

[fwiw, black came back after AA was shoved down our throats by shitlibs who hadn't any black friends, and indian was never dropped by the people you'd actually see at a powwow]

 

[TheMonkeyMan]

The funny thing is that Jamake Highwater, the Native American advisor they used on Voyager who turned out to be a fraud, had been exposed by two different people over a decade earlier. There's a novel with a character based on him called "Homer Yellow Snow".

 

[mlanguishi]

And he was Raoul in Eating Raoul

[fwiw, black came back after AA was shoved down our throats by shitlibs who hadn't any black friends, and indian was never dropped by the people you'd actually see at a powwow]

His career reminds me a little of Alfred Molina who's been in bit parts in tons of major (or really tiny) things forever and every once in awhile gets a major starring role out of nowhere.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Academy was so bad I don't even think they got the hate watchers like the rest of nu-Trek got. At least Star Wars occasionally spits out something watchable, nu-Trek is actively shitting on it's lore at every opportunity it gets.

When the actual audience is Disparu and Nitpicking Nerd, it turns out a fairly expensive sci-fi show is an unsustainable business model. Especially when it turns out Kurtzman wasn't interested in making decent television, but pushing BLM propaganda.

 

[mlanguishi]

When the actual audience is Disparu and Nitpicking Nerd, it turns out a fairly expensive sci-fi show is an unsustainable business model. Especially when it turns out Kurtzman wasn't interested in making decent television, but pushing BLM propaganda.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=VImVqrFfVSA

This show *might've* been able to limp by in 2021/2022 extreme clown world, but it's so amazing how Hollywood can't read the cultural zeitgeist at all anymore and think they can push the culture around all they want, while a ton of them like JJ/Bad Robot are literally fleeing Hollywood because they're broke and going out of biz.

 

[augment]

Hollywood fancies themselves as the arbiters of cultural progress, this comes from over a century of dictating who gets to proselytize and convert the masses. I understand their blind and deaf problem, private institutions and financiers went to them for so long to push their product or idea. Now that is no longer the case, it's taking them a while to realize how utterly farcical their circus show is.

 

[Acoustic Virgin]

it's so amazing how Hollywood can't read the cultural zeitgeist at all anymore and think they can push the culture around all they want

The echo chamber effect is very real. While it has never been easier to expose oneself to diverse viewpoints, it has also never been easier to surround oneself with others who think exactly the same way. Too much of the latter, and people's minds really get warped -- they start to assume that everyone thinks the same way they do and behave accordingly.

 

[Flexo]

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I have to be honest, Mike assuming that Kim from Voyager was gay because he was faithful to a girl back home seems like a projection. I’ve heard similar reasoning from guys in open relationships.

I swear I am not making this up...

Jeri Taylor - you may know her as one of the creators of Voyager (before she left the show). So she wrote 2 books for the show. 1 is literally a novel backstory for Janeway. The other is ALL the other backstories for the rest of the crew.

Pathways

The untold story of Captain Janeway's crew! Pathways is a Pocket VOY novel written by Jeri Taylor. Published by Pocket Books, it was first released in hardback in August 1998.

memory-alpha.fandom.com

Again, I swear I am not making this up, but in that book, Harry Kim 100% leads a guy on to believe they are in a gay relationship before the guy gets his heart broken by Kim's engagement to Libby.

I can't find anything referencing this online (just yet), but trust me, it's there in the book.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

I swear I am not making this up...

Jeri Taylor - you may know her as one of the creators of Voyager (before she left the show). So she wrote 2 books for the show. 1 is literally a novel backstory for Janeway. The other is ALL the other backstories for the rest of the crew.

Pathways

The untold story of Captain Janeway's crew! Pathways is a Pocket VOY novel written by Jeri Taylor. Published by Pocket Books, it was first released in hardback in August 1998.

memory-alpha.fandom.com

Again, I swear I am not making this up, but in that book, Harry Kim 100% leads a guy on to believe they are in a gay relationship before the guy gets his heart broken by Kim's engagement to Libby.

I can't find anything referencing this online (just yet), but trust me, it's there in the book.

Kim seems to nice and dorky to do that kind of thing, though.

 

[Hentai-Semitism]

I reupped a few more age restricted videos to Rumble so you can watch them without logging in to Youtube.

 

[Flexo]

Kim seems to nice and dorky to do that kind of thing, though.

THAT'S what makes it so much funnier. Is that is EXACTLY how it happened - he was just super nice and dorky to this dude and Kim thought they were just friends, and the other dude totally thought they were getting into a relationship. They literally wrote him unintentionally leading a gay guy on and then friendzoning him. (Why yes, the book was written by a woman.)

I've given away my copy so am on the hunt for one on the high seas if anybody can help a robot out. But I just always find it so funny that people make "not gay" jokes about Harry Kim, when those were built into the character from the very beginning.

I find it even more hilarious that so few in the trek fandom know about this. (Especially compared to how much we were discussing on the trek thread here how Kurtzman trek was ripping off from the more recent trek novels because they outright started hiring some of those novel writers onto the shows.)

 

[NomineNemo]

I've given away my copy so am on the hunt for one on the high seas if anybody can help a robot out.

It's up on Annas-Archive dude. Do you even Yarr?

Also, fuckin' lul

Spoiler: Pretty Geh, not gonna lie

 

[Flexo]

It's up on Annas-Archive dude. Do you even Yarr?

Also, fuckin' lul

Spoiler: Pretty Geh, not gonna lie

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I do not Yarr ever since Armus took her from us...



RIP Tasha.

(Nah you're alright. Thanks for the find and the citation. Feel free to quote even more to back me up.)

 

[Mola Ram]

It's up on Annas-Archive dude. Do you even Yarr?

Also, fuckin' lul

Spoiler: Pretty Geh, not gonna lie

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Ah, the high quality of writing I expect from tie-in fiction.

"A sound of exasperation emitted from George." -- My favorite part of this is not the unnecessary passive voice, but that exactly which orifice is responsible for this odd sound is unclear.

 

[Flexo]

Ah, the high quality of writing I expect from tie-in fiction.

"A sound of exasperation emitted from George." -- My favorite part of this is not the unnecessary passive voice, but that exactly which orifice is responsible for this odd sound is unclear.

My dear mad priest,

I must remind you this was written by JERI TAYLOR.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jeri_Taylor

She then co-created Star Trek: Voyager where she served as executive producer on the first through fourth seasons. She also wrote several episodes of both series and co-wrote the story for three episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.​

 

[Mola Ram]

My dear mad priest,

I must remind you this was written by JERI TAYLOR.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Jeri_Taylor

She then co-created Star Trek: Voyager where she served as executive producer on the first through fourth seasons. She also wrote several episodes of both series and co-wrote the story for three episodes of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.​

Being a good storyteller is no bar to writing wretched prose.

 

[Flexo]

Being a good storyteller is no bar to writing wretched prose.

Oh 100% agree. My point isn't about the quality of the prose, but when you say "quality of tie-in fiction" I'm pointing out, no this was the quality of the actual show makers.

Now whether you want to read this as horror... or a comedy about how Voyager was always a tie-in level writing show, I leave to you.

(Though I am old enough to remember when some of the books and episodes both were written by high quality authors.)

 

[Mola Ram]

Oh 100% agree. My point isn't about the quality of the prose, but when you say "quality of tie-in fiction" I'm pointing out, no this was the quality of the actual show makers.

Now whether you want to read this as horror... or a comedy about how Voyager was always a tie-in level writing show, I leave to you.

(Though I am old enough to remember when some of the books and episodes both were written by high quality authors.)

I never actually watched Voyager, so I suppose I was giving too much weight to those DS9 episodes.

EDIT: Oh, how I wish I'd checked that Memory Alpha page before replying. She actually has 17 credits for Next Gen, and while there are some quality episodes (no greats, but quality), she also is credited with "Sub Rosa," aka "Beverly Crusher and the Horny Ghost," aka "The One That Shamelessly Ripped Off An Anne Rice Novel." Now that's what I expected.

 

[Flexo]

I never actually watched Voyager, so I suppose I was giving too much weight to those DS9 episodes.

EDIT: Oh, how I wish I'd checked that Memory Alpha page before replying. She actually has 17 credits for Next Gen, and while there are some quality episodes (no greats, but quality), she also is credited with "Sub Rosa," aka "Beverly Crusher and the Horny Ghost," aka "The One That Shamelessly Ripped Off An Anne Rice Novel." Now that's what I expected.

And THAT is the woman they put in charge of the first Trek show with a female captain.

And once you realize that, a LOT of early Voyager makes sense.

 

[Squanto Airi]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=P2oMlTFUJgo

Can't believe they stole OrionBalls' likeness like that