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[I'm a Silly]

Mike was in a cute cartoon [other than HSF or R&M]

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[SlipNHonkMach2]

And RLM's continual seething over being wrong about J.J. Abrams is just funny at this point. They can't live it down.

Disney Execs and Kathleen Kennedy were the bigger problems for the sequels then J.J. Abrams ever was honestly. Sucks the trilogy sunk his career, especially after he had to quickly cobble something together after Ryan Jonhson decided to kill off the big bad in TLJ.
And of all the things terribly wrong with the prequels, George Lucas at least started making drafts and screenplays as far back as 1994 before PM came out in 99. There was ample room between all three films, especially when it came to obvious pivots like Jar Jar being so widely hated that he diminished his role to practically nothing in EP2/3. Meanwhile Disney wanted a production line of Star Wars films each year, with the sequels only being two years apart. There was no breathing room at all. I think the worst crime of the sequels is that they were just so mindnumbling bland. Typical PG-13 squeaky clean action movies that Disney churned out with Marvel and wanted to use the same formula for Star Wars. There is nothing to even remember about them outside the fact that the last movie recycled the plot element from the 1990's star wars comic book series known as Dark Empire where Palpatine comes back due to cloning. Meanwhile everyone is going to remember how insufferable Jar Jar is, George Luca's cheesy as hell romantic dialogue between Anakin and Padame, how much Anakin detests sand and Darth Vader's infamous "NOOOOO" scene.

Here's how I would censor future RLM videos.

They should use those computer button sounds they use for the Nerd Crew episodes in the past as a censor sound.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Freddy vs. Jason has probably aged well thanks to the mediocrity of the last 20 years and 2000's nostalgia, but back at release it was an absolutely terrible movie. Even I, someone who watched the trashiest of trash back then, hated it.
A big problem with movies like this is that they can't commit to either side winning lest one side of the fanbase will walk away unsatisfied. So what you have is a movie that literally pulls its punches.

I personally always liked Freddy vs. Jason. lol. I went into the movie expecting entertaining trash, and it gave me REALLY entertaining trash. I was surprised back in the day hearing that a lot of people disliked it (keep in mind the movie came out when I was a dumb teenager). I didn't care who won the fight ... I just wanted some silly gory fun, and I got plenty of silly gory fun.

But yeah, I will agree that it's basically a masterpiece compared to today's unwatchable media. Age has been kind to it because of that, I'd say. I'd actually say that about a lot of other movies that came out 20-30 years ago as well. Not good movies at the time, but entirely entertaining and watchable by today's standards.

And RLM's continual seething over being wrong about J.J. Abrams is just funny at this point. They can't live it down.

I know I've already brought up Doug Walker in this thread, but I'm doing it again:

We all know that Doug Walker would have embraced this and would still be poking fun at himself about it. RLM appears to be genuinely upset that one of their biggest videos ever did not age so well. Holy fragile egos, Batman.

Also Jay is lame referring to fan "entitlement" for wanting original actors.

Yeah it was a douchey comment that he completely negated like a dumbass with his comments about Robert Englund.

There are some fans of the Friday the 13th movies who appreciate the man who originally played Jason. It's not "entitled" to want to see the OG Jason actor get his curtain call like Englund did. The hell, Jay? lol.

"Fan entitlement" is such a bizarre term too. That term can easily be used against any criticism about any movie or piece of media ever.

 

[#lurker]

"Fan entitlement" is such a bizarre term too.

It's a rotten term designed to shame people into accepting mediocrity. You are not entitled for wanting a better product.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

It's a rotten term designed to shame people into accepting mediocrity. You are not entitled for wanting a better product.

RLM is about 10 years too late in using that term too.

I mean, if they're gonna use it, then they should have used it to shame people into liking Space Cop.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

And RLM's continual seething over being wrong about J.J. Abrams is just funny at this point. They can't live it down.
Also Jay is lame referring to fan "entitlement" for wanting original actors.

We all know that Doug Walker would have embraced this and would still be poking fun at himself about it. RLM appears to be genuinely upset that one of their biggest videos ever did not age so well. Holy fragile egos, Batman.

To be honest, both Jay and Mike gave off Linkara vibes now. You can tell Mike was never playing a character. Not sure about Jay. 50/50 on him playing a character or not, but Jay still comes across as more normal than Mike.

 

[Shartavius]

I really miss that guy who would schizopost about RLM as though they were a boardroom soap opera. It's going to be a trip seeing these guys still attempting this in their fifties.

 

[Mola Ram]

RLM appears to be genuinely upset that one of their biggest videos ever did not age so well. Holy fragile egos, Batman.

It's not that it's "one of their biggest videos." It is their biggest video; it is literally what put them on the map. If you haven't been following RLM since the Plinkett Phantom Menace review went viral, you may not appreciate how absolutely huge it was at the time. Nobody would know who they were if they'd never made it. It's why, I think, they've gotten kind of weird about it.

but Jay still comes across as more normal than Mike.

By "more normal," I assume you mean "less of a clinically depressed alcoholic."

 

[strumpets exeunt]

Mad props to the RLM Chads for hitting all the beats with the Freddy vs Jason video:
- We've got Mike and Jay awkwardly dropping brainrot YouTuberisms like "grape" and "PDF file" multiple times throughout the video - far past the point it would have been funny and well into the realm of cringe when you realized they were doing it unironically to stay monetized.
- You've got Mike boomeristically proclaiming how proud he is that he never saw actual cultural touchstones like American Pie and a bunch of other 2000s era films. Because God forbid a film critic have any actual frames of reference.
- The obligatory "lol this girl got her vagina chopped into 74 lovingly crafted CGI pieces and... ew... wait... is that hecking gay sex slur? Gonna have to pass on this one, fam" virtue signal.
- And, of course, fucking Star Wars and JJ references out of fucking nowhere for literally no fucking reason whatsoever.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

To be honest, both Jay and Mike gave off Linkara vibes now. You can tell Mike was never playing a character. Not sure about Jay. 50/50 on him playing a character or not, but Jay still comes across as more normal than Mike.

Jay doesn't seem to be acting to me. He's just has slightly weird tastes.

 

[Hentai-Semitism]

Holy shit, they got EVERYONE from that era on that soundtrack. Impressive.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

Holy shit, they got EVERYONE from that era on that soundtrack. Impressive.

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They used to know and cared about who they were targeting and curated the product to them. Now movies (music/tv) actively try to push the old fan base away because they are problematic and are no longer welcomed. Back in the day if you didn't bring home the bacon you were cancelled, but today they will run shit for years in the negative.

 

[Akerman]

The amount of prequel revisionism on /tv/ now really shows how much the demographics on 4chan have changed. Up until TLJ or so a lot of the prequel revisionist talking points were completely ridiculed.

The revision in general has changed a lot, it is at such a stage now that someone is actually being called racist in a book published by some wonky academic because he didn't like the cgi rabbit in a random video he made 10 years ago.

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I got curious and checked the book synopsis out. AFAIK the book is just a bunch of unhinged Breadtube-like rambling about wayciss Star Wars fans, which is why I am surprised the book isn't calling out Plinkett/RLM for their videos instead. Afterall they were far more "responsible" than anyone else for popularizing some of the Jar Jar dunking (ala "He's the most important character" & "Jar Jar is the key to all of this" quotes). - I am pretty sure the title references how Chewie was allegedly "otherized" in the OT, and if he's like others who have had this gripe then he most likely sees it as an allegory to racism or something. It will always be endlessly amusing to me that out of all the characters in Star Wars (including Lando), some blacks willingly choose to identify themselves with the grunting hairy ape men living in trees.

Also IDK much about this tuber, the video was just randomly recommended to me, but a few of the things he said makes it seem like he actually harbors some pozzed feelings of troll's remorse about his shoddy video from a decade ago, which is insane but also shows how far the revision has gotten on these films as just a few years ago nobody would take the idea that we can't critique Jar Jar seriously.

"Fan Entitlement" is a psyop

It's funny to contrast them saying that with Plinkett, though. The general thesis of those videos is largely that "this is not what true Star Wars is", not to mention they also had the "People vs. George Lucas" director on Half in the Bag and it was a fawn fest IIRC. I guess Mike's got a form of troll's remorse from his videos as well now.

 

[Mola Ram]

Afterall they were far more "responsible" than anyone else for popularizing some of the Jar Jar dunking (ala "He's the most important character" & "Jar Jar is the key to all of this" quotes).

This is 100% wrong, so perfectly incorrect it's an inversion of reality. The whole reason the Plinkett review took off was that it criticized Phantom Menace in ways that went beyond Jar Jar and midichlorians. The bloated action sequences, the logical inconsistencies in the story, the incredibly stupid decisions the characters make. When Plinkett highlights stuff about Jar Jar, it was to play into an antipathy that had existed since the moment the film was released. By the time the review dropped, hatred for Jar Jar was not only well established, it was essentially a dead horse.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

It's not that it's "one of their biggest videos." It is their biggest video; it is literally what put them on the map. If you haven't been following RLM since the Plinkett Phantom Menace review went viral, you may not appreciate how absolutely huge it was at the time. Nobody would know who they were if they'd never made it. It's why, I think, they've gotten kind of weird about it.

For me at least, The Phantom Menace review was the only thing of theirs I ever saw (heard) break through into the mainstream (outside of Dick the Birthday Boy, of course)

I heard snippets of it come up on morning radio for sure on my drive to school back in like 09 or 10. Then I saw it pop up during the morning news and I was like "dang"

I want to say Simon Pegg brought it up in interviews and stuff too.

 

[Mola Ram]

For me at least, The Phantom Menace review was the only thing of theirs I ever saw (heard) break through into the mainstream (outside of Dick the Birthday Boy, of course)

I heard snippets of it come up on morning radio for sure on my drive to school back in like 09 or 10. Then I saw it pop up during the morning news and I was like "dang"

I want to say Simon Pegg brought it up in interviews and stuff too.

The only media criticism they'd done prior to Phantom Menace was, I think, the TNG movie reviews, which I'd never heard of before everyone started talking about TPM. I think I learned of the TPM review from some right wing blog, of all things. So it was all over the place.

 

[Akerman]

This is 100% wrong, so perfectly incorrect it's an inversion of reality. The whole reason the Plinkett review took off was that it criticized Phantom Menace in ways that went beyond Jar Jar and midichlorians.

Not Jar Jar dunking & Prequel critique in general, I meant specifically signal boosting quotes & clips from behind the scenes footage of George Lucas which were highlighted and clipped in the Plinkett videos which was then used by others to critique the movies and characters as well.

Unless I am mistaken many of those were not as well known before Plinkett highlighted them. Even though those behind the scenes features were obviously extras before Plinkett highlighted them his reviews made them more well known, the same happened with "I may have gone too far in a few places" & "slightly comedic with Jar Jar", a clip with those particular quotes was uploaded 11 years ago and sits at 5.8 million views:

My point was that it is just odd in general that he would pick on a low views top 10 video than the most famous example that people go to for "prequel bashing" in general, but it's obviously just a hack job anyways however not one you would probably see before this huge shift against bashing the prequels started. If anything I heard more about how racist and problematic Jar Jar was from this crowd ATT.

 

[Mola Ram]

My point was that it is just odd in general that he would pick on a low views top 10 video than the most famous example that people go to for "prequel bashing" in general

Sometimes insignificant creators are just that irritating. I don't know anything about this guy, but it's possible he just has some personal grudge against IHE.

but it's obviously just a hack job anyways

Yeah, that's abundantly clear from the title. "Racialized Desire," somebody fucking shoot me.

If anything I heard more about how racist and problematic Jar Jar was from this crowd ATT.

I absolutely remember people getting some egg on their faces for sneering that Jar Jar was an obvious Jamaican stereotype, only to find out he was played by, uh, er, um, a Jamaican actor.

 

[SlipNHonkMach2]

This is 100% wrong, so perfectly incorrect it's an inversion of reality. The whole reason the Plinkett review took off was that it criticized Phantom Menace in ways that went beyond Jar Jar and midichlorians. The bloated action sequences, the logical inconsistencies in the story, the incredibly stupid decisions the characters make. When Plinkett highlights stuff about Jar Jar, it was to play into an antipathy that had existed since the moment the film was released. By the time the review dropped, hatred for Jar Jar was not only well established, it was essentially a dead horse.

What it did was sum up the film in the most cohesive manner as possible of things the average person actually had issues with but couldn't elaborate in great detail. Jar Jar and Anakin's kid actor Jake Lloyd were just the tip of the iceberg that were easy to gravitate towards bringing up first because they stuck out like sore thumbs the most.
And anyone who claims that it was due to RLM that Jar Jar was being criticized more are basically admitting what age group they belong to, as in they were either toddlers at the time the movie came out or weren't even born yet. Jar Jar was spoofed and criticized relentlessly from South Park to Mad Magazine to late night show banter to internet groups like "Society for the Extermination of Jar Jar Binks"
So much so that you had some so high up the copium chain that a fan edit was created for the Phantom Menace known as "The Phantom Edit" and was mass produced on VHS and was the first major fan edit of a film that saw distribution on the web.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/1999/06/11/jar-jar-binks-stinks-with-force-fans/62239294007/
Sadly, much like most of the internet that is 15-25+ years old, finding old forums and discussion of disdain is becoming increasingly more difficult as the internet both expands and older sites become erased, not archived or lost in the digital ocean (when in doubt, always make a bookmark of archives of anything). This allows opportunist to feel more confident to spread the revisionisms, especially those who were born well after when the prequels came out.

 

[Mola Ram]

Jar Jar was spoofed and criticized relentlessly from South Park to Mad Magazine to late night show banter to internet groups like "Society for the Extermination of Jar Jar Binks"

Can't find it at the moment, but there's a scene in the South Park movie where a black soldier gives another soldier the side eye and says, "Weesa people gonna die?!" This was in 1999, and as I recall Parker and Stone hastily added it based purely on how terrible the line was in the trailer.