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[Well Intentioned]

Did we watch the same video? I agree they  tried to acknowledge they aaren't much better. But immediately said, "well Kirk is more important than Ki Adi Mundi." When they about nerdy lore it's okay, when others don't they should be caring about starving Africans.

I believe it was "Kirk is on more of a pedestal than Ki Adi, but yes." Like it was acknowledgement, but also the same stupid nerd shit all stupid nerds (myself included) do, whether it's talking about Goku vs. Superman, Picard vs. Kirk, Star Wars vs. Star Trek, Marvel vs. DC, etc.

It's what they always do. They never fully commit. "We're above the culture war." *proceeds to waste an hour on it*

I think that's the issue here. They don't really dive into 'woke culture' or whatever because that's not really what their focus is. They aren't outrage merchants like Jeremy 'the Quartering' Hambeast raging over Kathleen Kennedy, or malding over Gina Carano getting fired, or how Jon Favreau is secretly orchestrating a coup, or how a woman being a lead character is going to ruin Star Wars (or whatever.)

They do address the whole thing of diversity being used to prop up shit movies or as a shield to defend a shit movie (ie, having a diverse cast doesn't suddenly make a bad movie good/citing Ghostbusters 2016 as an example), but they make a distinction between that and people hating movie because an Asian is in it (or whatever.)

I do think that the way they limit their criticism is an issue, but A) a lot of the outrage merchants (I'm not talking about that SWT guy cos I've never watched his content, but like the Fandom Menace or whoever) go way too far with it and B) they've been very consistent in how they critique shit.

 

[I'm a Silly]

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now even young hot skinny Mike is ruined because that pic on the left makes me think of
and now you need to see what I found

 

[Shartavius]

For anyone curious: The photos purported to be "young Mike" with long hair are Boomer-'Tuber Rick Beato, and likely taken in the 1980s. It's funny, but it's not actually Mike.

 

[#lurker]

It's worth noting that the 'starving kids in Africa' clip....

The problem is that their entire channel is built off being pedantic yet they now criticize others doing the same. There's nothing worse than people that get success off something and then lament when others follow.

As for criticisms being pedantic, that's also up for debate. You might say who cares Star Wars sucks anyway, but having a consistent timeline is a fundamental part of having a cohesive franchise. When you start scrapping and rewriting everything willy-nilly for nothing other than pointless nostalgia (in this case), then that is a major flaw in your product. It's not just that his age was changed, it's what it represents for the wider narrative.

The whole video was embarrassing and shows they're out of touch.

 

[I'm a Silly]

"You know who else had cancer? Walter White."

"This guy used his childhood cancer to latch onto Star Wars to detach himself from reality."

"This guy became one of the most toxic creators in the Star Wars fandom."

So RLM reddit fans are just as oblivious to their own jackassery as RLM is. How fitting!

Star Wars Theory is such a nerd for finding comfort in Star Wars while he was dealing with childhood cancer. What a loser! Now let me bitch about how superior I am on reddit, defending the honor of some 200 year-old failed obese filmmakers who are picking fights with other content creators!

Also, if Star Wars is so unimportant, then why do these people even give a fuck about what someone on the internet has to say about it? These people are pointing fingers at Star Wars critics, telling them to touch grass or some shit, but they're bitching on the internet too probably doing absolutely NOTHING to save the world/solve child hunger/end wars. Projection much?!

What I see is this: One side is complaining about the bullshit corporate slop that's being served to them, and the other side is defending the slop, happy to gobble it down like little piggies. It's not toxic for someone to say that they don't want to eat the slop.

I'm glad you quoted all that, because this is what it looks like now:

The only reason to click that thumbnail is for the pun at the bottom.

Take your tongue off the bottom of their shoes so you can read. The cancer was how he got into the series as a child. That’s what led to his shilling for the series.
They didn’t have an issue with that.

^This addresses a chronic problem with written arguments online, the reading comprehension one. It's right up there with laziness and projection. Frame the other poster as hostile, therefore the enemy, and angry at me or that which I defend. I agreed with a bunch of replies here, including the ones quoted right here, and none of them seemed butthurt, angry, frothing, mad, or anything of the sort.

Hell, I don't even like SW. I mostly skim past the discussions of minutiae for fandom subjects I don't happen to follow, but this was clearly about RLM being what they've been for quite some time now, and sometimes they hit Peak RLM. This was one of those times.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I believe it was "Kirk is on more of a pedestal than Ki Adi, but yes." Like it was acknowledgement, but also the same stupid nerd shit all stupid nerds (myself included) do, whether it's talking about Goku vs. Superman, Picard vs. Kirk, Star Wars vs. Star Trek, Marvel vs. DC, etc.



I think that's the issue here. They don't really dive into 'woke culture' or whatever because that's not really what their focus is. They aren't outrage merchants like Jeremy 'the Quartering' Hambeast raging over Kathleen Kennedy, or malding over Gina Carano getting fired, or how Jon Favreau is secretly orchestrating a coup, or how a woman being a lead character is going to ruin Star Wars (or whatever.)

They do address the whole thing of diversity being used to prop up shit movies or as a shield to defend a shit movie (ie, having a diverse cast doesn't suddenly make a bad movie good/citing Ghostbusters 2016 as an example), but they make a distinction between that and people hating movie because an Asian is in it (or whatever.)

I do think that the way they limit their criticism is an issue, but A) a lot of the outrage merchants (I'm not talking about that SWT guy cos I've never watched his content, but like the Fandom Menace or whoever) go way too far with it and B) they've been very consistent in how they critique shit.

That shows they aren't paying attention to why media is terrible now. Wokeness is the reason why Star Trek: Discovery, Ghostbusters 2016, and Disney Wars are as bad as they are in the way that they are. Any business that goes and insults its audience deserves to be called out on it and the reason why they get bailed out of their bad business decisions is because of ESG funding. When they've all got the same pattern of behavior and the same kind of people, they have to call out the pattern as legitimate critics. Everyone here is saying they're out of touch. I say they're complicit in wanting Hollywood's favor and that's why they don't notice the blindingly obvious. It's just easier to pick on movie theaters for getting customers they can't control instead of admitting that Hollywood makes ESG approved movies.

 

[Sweeter and Savoury]

Has anyone looked at the dislikes on the newest video? I know Jew Tube hides them now but I know some folks have a tool that can show them.

 

[I'm a Silly]

Has anyone looked at the dislikes on the newest video? I know Jew Tube hides them now but I know some folks have a tool that can show them.

just now, with the extension "Return YouTube Dislike"

 

[urr13 account]

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just now, with the extension "Return YouTube Dislike"

That's not that bad at all. Good majority of likes.

RLM does have an extremely loyal paypig audience. Like 40K/month patreon before they changed the settings so you cant see how much they make each month. On their subreddit people post long fantasies about how cool they think it would be to hang out with them.

 

[I'm a Silly]

For anyone curious: The photos purported to be "young Mike" with long hair are Boomer-'Tuber Rick Beato, and likely taken in the 1980s. It's funny, but it's not actually Mike.

Merci beaucoup for this visual rabbit hole. So I think most people are right in meme-ing these images for fun, but I did poke around in the xitter replies which led to finding out that some people think:
resembles

and it's really only plausible if you make editorial decisions, then stand back and squint


I think young, dreamy Rick looks a lot more like young, dreamy Mike than Danny Sexbang.

 

[Well Intentioned]

That shows they aren't paying attention to why media is terrible now. Wokeness is the reason why Star Trek: Discovery, Ghostbusters 2016, and Disney Wars are as bad as they are in the way that they are.

They do address that shit and talk about it in the Acolyte video, but I argue that if Ghostbusters 2016 had an all-white male cast it'd still be fucking terrible. No different from your average Adam Sandler schlock, or any number of shitty reboots/remakes/remasterings/retarded stuff like the Flash or other properties that aren't 'diverse.'

There are a lot of reasons why media in general is largely shit (focusing on international markets, China specifically; constant reusing of properties or grinding down anything that has even the faintest name recognition (eg, Morbius); conglomeration of media entities; Hollywood accounting/nickel & diming; writers who aren't particularly skilled at their craft and/or are fanboys of the stuff they're working on; chasing trends (ie, everything trying to be a 'cinematic universe'); the explosion of media and media sharing; etc.)

Having said that, though, there is a difference between 'shitty movie' and movies and shows that are built from the ground up to purposely rile people up and not stand on their own merits. I'm thinking of shit like Dear White People or She-Hulk. I don't know if the Acolyte falls into this as I haven't watched it and have zero intention of doing so, but it seems to fall under the umbrella of the bulk of Disney Wars shit of taking parts of stuff from older EU content (Dathomir witches), doing a slapdash job at adapting it while making a big deal about minorities being featured because the actual story is shit and can't be talked about.

Any business that goes and insults its audience deserves to be called out on it and the reason why they get bailed out of their bad business decisions is because of ESG funding. When they've all got the same pattern of behavior and the same kind of people, they have to call out the pattern as legitimate critics. Everyone here is saying they're out of touch. I say they're complicit in wanting Hollywood's favor and that's why they don't notice the blindingly obvious. It's just easier to pick on movie theaters for getting customers they can't control instead of admitting that Hollywood makes ESG approved movie

I'd agree with you that they're playing it safe because they're trying to curry favor (they're trying really hard to pitch that cartoon thing and Mike keeps jumping into VA gigs), but I argue they do address it when they go out of their way to insult the audience (again, Ghostbusters.)

I doubt any of them would consider themselves 'legitimate critics.' It's why that one Plinkett video mocked the guy who had a 400 page essay critiquing the prequel reviews.

I'd also agree that the RLM guys kinda painted themselves into a corner because they have dipped their toes into the business of Hollywood, so not looking at ongoing trends/patterns (eg, the ESG shite) does do them a disservice....but I don't think they've really 'changed' or are being hypocritical.


E: Anyway, sorry for shitting up this thread sperging over the RLM review. Didn't intend to take things as far as I did, haha.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

That's not that bad at all. Good majority of likes.

From what I hear the dislike on the addon is way lower than in the dashboard. But a like and dislike doesn't matter on youtube as they both count as engagement.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ko0fKuy8z2UIf you watch this video at about 23:00 you'll see Mike Stoklasa, Rich Evans and Jay Bauman mocking the idea of doing a game show for charity. Needless to say, I don't believe they care about the starving Africans. So, when I watch them on an episode where something is seriously off, like this The Acolyte one, I always try to figure out the angle. What I've figured out over the years is that they treat Disney Star Wars with kid gloves. I don't really know why. It's really annoying though.

It's funny because they've been way harsher on Star Trek. I think it's because they're more invested in it and just don't care about Star Wars as much, if at all.

To be fair to them, they do rely on Patreon and there probably is an element of not wanting to piss off half their audience, which is reasonable.

I prefer that to "If YoU dOn'T lIkE iT, dOn'T wAtCh It".

 

[I'm a Silly]

From what I hear the dislike on the addon is way lower than in the dashboard. But a like and dislike doesn't matter on youtube as they both count as engagement.

The engagement part is true; I usually don't bother hitting it unless it's a Santa Inc. situation, but I wanted to give the image more impact. I don't know the situation with the dashboard -- what else do you know about that?

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I doubt any of them would consider themselves 'legitimate critics.' It's why that one Plinkett video mocked the guy who had a 400 page essay critiquing the prequel reviews.

They are considered legitimate to Rian Johnson, Simon Pegg, Patton Oswald, Max Landis, and Macauley Culkin.

Having said that, though, there is a difference between 'shitty movie' and movies and shows that are built from the ground up to purposely rile people up and not stand on their own merits. I'm thinking of shit like Dear White People or She-Hulk.

"The Acolyte's score is embarrassing-for the audience."

Racist 'Star Wars' fans aren't new. Why doesn't Disney do more to protect its actors?

Watch: ‘The Acolyte’ Star Amandla Stenberg Rage-Twerks Against Right-Wingers In Music Video

This is She-hulk, Ghostbuster 2016 marketing, so it falls under that category, not innocent shitty series. Innocent shitty series can build their own cult following. ESG movies destroys fandom and is absolutely malicious on studio's part.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Honestly, I can see both sides of the "starving kids in Africa" comment. On the one hand, it's incredibly irritating and condescending when anyone says "nah bro that isn't funny except when I do it guess I'm just built diff". On the other hand, I kinda get where they're coming from. When Mike did it in his Plinkett reviews, it was something he only did here and there, and he certainly didn't focus on plot holes to a fault. Contrast that with the grifter types that are putting out videos every single week on why Disney's newest offering totally sucks because it has heckin' plot holes. I can see why Mike would have some secondhand cringe whenever he sees another 15 hour TLJ takedown video going over every single detail as if it fucking matters.

Eventually you just have to accept these offerings are just never going to be good, and even if all your little nitpicks were explained away, they still wouldn't be good. The Last Jedi isn't a shitpile because they pulled a lightspeed ram from their asses at the 11th hour, it sucks because Kathleen Kennedy didn't plan anything out and gave the keys to the franchise to a literal who after a 5 minute conversation. And that was after she handed the keys to Lensflare the Mystery Box Merchant.

Overall, this video reads to me as being fueled by resignation, troll's remorse, and a desperate desire common to old timers to not be seen as "out of touch". I think Mike believes he had a hand in kickstarting this trend of "film analysis", and feels some secondhand embarrassment whenever he sees yet another 9 hour takedown of The Force Awakens. And they probably don't want to go wandering into another culture war a la Ghostbusters 2016, but they're basically contractually obligated to at least acknowledge a new Star Wars product and wearily groan at it. I don't dislike the boys for putting this video out, but I think we can safely put any rumors to bed that Mike(or the others) was ever /ourguy/. He probably votes like every other retard boomer out there, and that's just fine.

 

[sneedem&feedem]

I'm glad you quoted all that, because this is what it looks like now:

Reveddit missed the vast majority but it did catch my favorite comment.

 

[Flexo]

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You sure he means that Dan and not Dan Vasc?

 

[Skeletron Prime]

The recent video is mostly unwatchable, but I can't dislike Mike that much ever since learning he saved Rich's childhood photos from being thrown away, knowing that Rich would appreciate having them back some day.

Not gonna lie, the bond they seem to have is something most people would kill to have. You shoot the shit, you make fun of each other without resentment, and still have the ability to do something nice for each other once in a while. This is why lesbians are the best part of the LBGT community.

 

[Shartavius]

This is why lesbians are the best part of the LBGT community.

And have the highest rates of domestic violence.