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Jersh's fucking gay media links aren't accepting the YT link so here's the new Star Trek video
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God dammit.
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I'm really happy to see them build on Voyager. The queen specifically says she was given a sickness and left to die in the depths of space, as she couldn't go anywhere because they destroyed her roads. Great nod to Voyager's finale, Endgame, where Admiral Janeway gave the queen a neurolytic pathogen, and Captain Janeway destroyed the Borg transwarp hub. I'm glad they didn't just shrug it off by having the queen return with a fleet of cubes, but left her almost dead and plotting all this time, still fighting the pathogen. The Picard S3 writers did their homework.
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Rich’s laugh with the overlay of Ryker seeing the women he hates dying was Rich laughing at Resident Evil good.
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That video felt haphazard. I haven't watched Picard (and probably won't) but usually I can follow along with what they're talking about because they talk about the actual episodes and their plots but this one seemed to be largely just them sperging about lore and reassuring each other that they did, in fact, like season three.
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I love seeing them talking about ST because it's exactly the way I would talk to my friends about ST, including going off into the weird tangents.
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So, speaking of weird Star Trek tangents:
I find their thirst (and Fandom Menace too for that matter) for TNG more telling than the show itself at this point. I get that the D is iconic, but I'm pretty sure ILM was right to complain about it because that saucer section looks FAT! in 16:9 aspect ratio. They also seem to forget that 90s Trek was itself shifting towards a war footing due to in-universe Borg lore. Starfleet got BTFO, of course they're going to make more ships with sharper teeth and spent the rest of TNG and most of DS9 under-gunned. A lot of episodes themselves, like The Wounded or anything to do with the Maquis or the Romulans were building up to a border war with them because that's where the drama was. Sure, there were episodes where the ship gave birth or had to suckle a giant newborn ravioli, but to say finding new phenomenon is a cherry-picked interpretation of the show itself. That, and the fucking lighting on this show. I blame Kurtzman for demanding that template, but it's dark all the time. You know, to cover up the fact that the cast is 70+ years old. I mean, ten minutes into the review and they're already thinking of a better show opening. They also fail to differentiate the difference between them and Star Wars fans. "Why have the Millennium Falcon?" Why have the Enterprise D? Same argument. Why bring the Borg back at all when so many episodes are spent on crappy Changelings? Voyager proved that using the Borg as anything other than a force of nature is a bad idea.
So, they bring up All Good Things and it only highlights why that finale worked and why this one didn't. AGT treated old man Picard as an old man. Some of the crew were willing to humor him, but weren't too keen on actually doing it. Season 3 has Riker and Seven fully enabling Picard's wishes and at no point are the crew asking why action is happening. They even have the perfect character to push back on this plot, but they sideline Shaw hard and then he dies. Cause you really do need to have someone ask "What the hell is going on?!" which would necessitate a conference--which TNG had a lot of--and that would have given Picard, Seven, & Riker an explanation of why they went behind his back.
In AGT, it was about Picard figuring out Q's riddle. Picard in Season 3 is willing to execute a prisoner and use biological warfare. In this show, I'd probably say Riker is the main character. Definitely has the most charisma and agency, though I find it debatable whether Frakes is acting at this point or going Shatner on his character. TV Riker was becoming a stodgy asshole in the later seasons, one in which his transporter clone was disappointed at. He didn't make Captain by 40 despite multiple opportunities, was friendzoned by Troi at the time,* and got whiny when Jellico was temporarily in charge. AGT Riker was an EVEN bigger asshole by just saying no the entire time and only agreed to check out the anomaly because Data made a good argument. AGT characters in general were legit more mature executions of these old characters because there was less said about them. This show's characters are Millenial versions of them. I'm glad the cast are having fun, but that line between character and actor sure is blurring each time I see them.
AGT was a reasonably intelligent ending well within TNG's structure. The meta of Picard season 3 can be summarized as "Weapons at Maximum." After all, this show even had Moriarty pointing a gun at people and Worf killed a pathetic little man half his size because "Swords are more fun." Also, the Enterprise doing a Death Star Trench Run. Yes, the big fat ship mothballed for 30 years IRL put together by Geordi on the weekends, had fighter jet physics as it blew up a Borg Cube reactor. Sure, we're up to TNG movie, which is an improvement, but I wouldn't call it good. Sadly, the "correct" lesson learned is MOAR nostalgia bait, not competent, budgeted storytelling. "Incorrect" in this case refers to Kurtzman taking most of the credit and creating more of his typical projects.
*Yeah, I know Nemesis and Insurrection changed that when they fucked in the bathtub. I interpret it as "Well, if we're both single by the time we hit 50, we'll marry each other."
I find their thirst (and Fandom Menace too for that matter) for TNG more telling than the show itself at this point. I get that the D is iconic, but I'm pretty sure ILM was right to complain about it because that saucer section looks FAT! in 16:9 aspect ratio. They also seem to forget that 90s Trek was itself shifting towards a war footing due to in-universe Borg lore. Starfleet got BTFO, of course they're going to make more ships with sharper teeth and spent the rest of TNG and most of DS9 under-gunned. A lot of episodes themselves, like The Wounded or anything to do with the Maquis or the Romulans were building up to a border war with them because that's where the drama was. Sure, there were episodes where the ship gave birth or had to suckle a giant newborn ravioli, but to say finding new phenomenon is a cherry-picked interpretation of the show itself. That, and the fucking lighting on this show. I blame Kurtzman for demanding that template, but it's dark all the time. You know, to cover up the fact that the cast is 70+ years old. I mean, ten minutes into the review and they're already thinking of a better show opening. They also fail to differentiate the difference between them and Star Wars fans. "Why have the Millennium Falcon?" Why have the Enterprise D? Same argument. Why bring the Borg back at all when so many episodes are spent on crappy Changelings? Voyager proved that using the Borg as anything other than a force of nature is a bad idea.
So, they bring up All Good Things and it only highlights why that finale worked and why this one didn't. AGT treated old man Picard as an old man. Some of the crew were willing to humor him, but weren't too keen on actually doing it. Season 3 has Riker and Seven fully enabling Picard's wishes and at no point are the crew asking why action is happening. They even have the perfect character to push back on this plot, but they sideline Shaw hard and then he dies. Cause you really do need to have someone ask "What the hell is going on?!" which would necessitate a conference--which TNG had a lot of--and that would have given Picard, Seven, & Riker an explanation of why they went behind his back.
In AGT, it was about Picard figuring out Q's riddle. Picard in Season 3 is willing to execute a prisoner and use biological warfare. In this show, I'd probably say Riker is the main character. Definitely has the most charisma and agency, though I find it debatable whether Frakes is acting at this point or going Shatner on his character. TV Riker was becoming a stodgy asshole in the later seasons, one in which his transporter clone was disappointed at. He didn't make Captain by 40 despite multiple opportunities, was friendzoned by Troi at the time,* and got whiny when Jellico was temporarily in charge. AGT Riker was an EVEN bigger asshole by just saying no the entire time and only agreed to check out the anomaly because Data made a good argument. AGT characters in general were legit more mature executions of these old characters because there was less said about them. This show's characters are Millenial versions of them. I'm glad the cast are having fun, but that line between character and actor sure is blurring each time I see them.
AGT was a reasonably intelligent ending well within TNG's structure. The meta of Picard season 3 can be summarized as "Weapons at Maximum." After all, this show even had Moriarty pointing a gun at people and Worf killed a pathetic little man half his size because "Swords are more fun." Also, the Enterprise doing a Death Star Trench Run. Yes, the big fat ship mothballed for 30 years IRL put together by Geordi on the weekends, had fighter jet physics as it blew up a Borg Cube reactor. Sure, we're up to TNG movie, which is an improvement, but I wouldn't call it good. Sadly, the "correct" lesson learned is MOAR nostalgia bait, not competent, budgeted storytelling. "Incorrect" in this case refers to Kurtzman taking most of the credit and creating more of his typical projects.
*Yeah, I know Nemesis and Insurrection changed that when they fucked in the bathtub. I interpret it as "Well, if we're both single by the time we hit 50, we'll marry each other."
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Mike desperately trying to prove he's not a hypocrite for loving Star Trek fanservice after shitting on Star Wars fanservice for years is hilarious.
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It’s really funny to hear that season 3 ignored almost everything about the first two seasons aside from “Picard’s in a robot body and his real body is dead.”
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I know Kurtzman will make them suffer for their hypocrisy.
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"It had to be the D" - Rich Evans 2023
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Star Trek fans are just as bad as Star Wars fans at this point, Mike and Rich are no exception.
Thank god Stargate, X-Files and (in some certain areas) Futurama fans aren't as pozzed as either Star Wars or Star Trek fans.
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Star Trek fans have the opportunity of many 'future' continuities while Star Wars fans have either the Sequels/D+ or EU. I believe there are plenty 60s-90s Trekkies who look forward to a better future and want nothing to do with the new stuff.
There is no correlation in Star Trek fandom to the bizarre mass display of fealty shown in the latest RLM video. I'm gonna presume that footage is from the most recent Star Wars Celebration. We have seen convention videos like this for years; people acting that way in 1998 may be niche yet understandable, but 25 years later it's utterly incomprehensible.
Mike and Rich's expectations have been broken down so much they don't hate Picard s3, which says more about the sad state of current affairs than about Mike and Rich.
There is no correlation in Star Trek fandom to the bizarre mass display of fealty shown in the latest RLM video. I'm gonna presume that footage is from the most recent Star Wars Celebration. We have seen convention videos like this for years; people acting that way in 1998 may be niche yet understandable, but 25 years later it's utterly incomprehensible.
Mike and Rich's expectations have been broken down so much they don't hate Picard s3, which says more about the sad state of current affairs than about Mike and Rich.
And then there are Stargate fans, more classy and understandable community compared to either Trekkies and Star Wars fans.
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Well I saw the film in the theater which was exciting, but I thought my nerd card was all filled up by Star Trek so I never tuned into SG-1, Babylon5, Battlestar Galactica, Farscape, or any of those other 90s sci-fi shows. My elderly father has been bugging me to watch Lexx for 20+ years so it's probably where I'll start when I dip into that milieu.
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So the hacks loved it and you assholes hated it. That means the show is actually ok.
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