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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
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The Patrician's Halloween ranking is:

Halloween (1978.)
Halloween II
Halloween III
Halloween 4
Halloween 6
Halloween (2018.)
Halloween: Resurrection
Halloween 5
Halloween: H20
Halloween I (2007)
Halloween Kills
Halloween 2 (2009)
Halloween Ends

5 and Resurrection are a toss-up to me. 5 might be the worst of the original run, but at least feels more like an Halloween movie than H20, and is not a boring retread like the Rob Zombie movies or the mess that are Kills and Ends. If Fan Edit were allowed, H2018 and Kills would be right in spot 4 and 5 respectively, there are good movies if you trim the fat, and basically cut the hospital scenes entirely. As far as their theatrical releases, well, yeah.


Edit: Oh shit, it's out!

Both hackfrauds liked it, obviously. Let's see why.
 
I'm 3:30 into it, they say they *really* like it.

So if this ends up being boring as fuck, I know I'm done with Half in the Bag because they're setting this up to be more than just a "eh, it was okay, it's on streaming so watch it." deal
 
Mike: "The victims in the movie are awful. So you're sort of in that weird position where you're rooting for the bad guy"

... nigga have you never watched a slasher flick ever before?
 
Fuck, I get where they come from, and I understand why they like it. I might have to rewatch it from their perspective now. If it had been a passing of the torch, if their idea of the ending being that Michael Myers gets thrown into the shredder, cut to the incel, sits right up in Michael Myers fashion, Halloween theme starts, evil doesn't die, it just changes form, leave the ending open ended etc.. etc.. would have been a much better way to end the trilogy.
 
I'm so convinced of their contrarian arc taking hold that if The Last Jedi came out in the last few months they would have jerked off to it and gave it perfect glowing reviews.
 
Well, they liked it enough to bring Mr. Plinkett out of mothballs. I don't think this is just contrarianism. They had a lot of interesting stuff to say about it, whether one agrees or not. (I have no dog in this fight; the only Halloween I care about is the 1978 original).

However, I was off the train when they started bringing up numerology and the symbolism of triangles. It might not be contrarian, but they do get up their own ass.
 
I finished the review, it does make me want to rewatch the film, but regardless the movie is pretty shit, but I found this dumb comment on the video that made me brain dead

The movie was an allegory for right wing internet media influencing young specifically white men and turning them into "monsters". I'm not right wing or left wing I don't care but I know that Jamie Lee Curtis is a Hollywood moron that is dumb enough to believe something like that and make a movie about it. Michael Myers is essentially Donald Trump lmao call me stupid all you want but Jamie Lee Curtis couldn't shut up about political symbolism in the last movie and said before this new one came out that it was going to be political and "about COVID". Which it wasn't thankfully. But whatever.
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Internet War Criminal said:
Mike: "The victims in the movie are awful. So you're sort of in that weird position where you're rooting for the bad guy"

... nigga have you never watched a slasher flick ever before?
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Well most victims in classic slasher movies are teenagers acting like teenagers or clueless adults. There aren't that many truly unlikeable victims unless you're supposed to reflexively dislike horny, petty teens and "I don't believe you that there is a serial killer murdering all your friends in one night or whatever" (and most of these movies do present rather fantastical scenarios that would invite skepticism in the real world) adults

You are supposed to reflexively dislike the victims most of the time, but it's a pretty thin trope. Like I'm supposed to root for the slutty girl or the meathead jock who was mean to the unpopular kids to be horribly stabbed to death or whatever. The punishment doesn't exactly fit the crime
 
Every non-lolcow thread will eventually turn into a Griefing thread because everyone eventually gets mad about said person not having the same opinion as them and suddenly they’re “not as good as it used to be” or “they’re lazy” or whatever.

Just because the funny drunk men have a YouTube show doesn’t make their opinion the end-all, be-all. You can disagree with them and still enjoy the videos.

I heard Ends was pretty divisive in a “you’ll love it or you’ll hate it” kinda way. I’m not really surprised they really like it in that regard.

That bit at the beginning naming the “Worst film in the series” only for Jay to break halfway through was pretty funny.
 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
Every non-lolcow thread will eventually turn into a Griefinf thread because everyone eventually gets mad about said person to having the same opinion as them and suddenly they’re “not as good as it used to be” or “they’re lazy” or whatever.

Just because the funny drunk men have a YouTube show doesn’t make their opinion the end-all, be-all. You can disagree with them and still enjoy the videos.
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Even when they're being contrarian douchebags they're usually pretty solid making concise points and justifying any opinion they seem to have (except for Mike and jurassic world, what the fuck was that about?)
 
draggs said:
Well most victims in classic slasher movies are teenagers acting like teenagers or clueless adults. There aren't that many truly unlikeable victims unless you're supposed to reflexively dislike horny, petty teens and "I don't believe you that there is a serial killer murdering all your friends in one night or whatever" (and most of these movies do present rather fantastical scenarios that would invite skepticism in the real world) adults
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And the victims in the first Halloween film are an innocent family with a lunatic son. First Jason film are innocent kids against a psychotic mother pretending to be her son (the reverse of the classic Psycho twist). First Freddy film has a bunch of innocent kids being killed because of their parents killing Freddy over his pedophilia. The Thing, Alien, Predator, AvP, Pandorum, Event Horizon. All of the victims are scientists, pilots, soldiers, engineers, and adults in intelligent fields. Or things like The Exorcist or Prince of Darkness where you have adults dealing with religious monsters using modern tools but also holy water and prayer and whatnot.

Very rarely do any of these franchises actually begin with the "deranged killer cuts up horny coeds while they makeout nude in the shower". Though most of them do become that. Including what could have been all time classic franchises like Alien where they are now doing nude shower kills in Alien Covenant and having scientists with pudding for brains leading trillion dollar expeditions. Of course Halloween in 2022, is going to pander to the lowest common denominator of moviegoers. Including the political garbage. Endless fanservice and callbacks. Infantile and juvenile humor. Edgelord writing. This is what people want to see, and then talk about on reddit and twitter. This is the new fanbase of RedLetterMedia. The normies or faggots or whatever you want to call them. They like mainstream films and derivative simple narratives.

Didn't RLM give mostly negative reviews to Event Horizon and Pandorum? Yet they like the goofy stupid hack and slash nonsense of modern "horror" and whatever Halloween is calling itself now. Or the political and social pandering of the latest Predator movie Prey. They like simple dumb horror films. C and D level movies with A level budgets.

draggs said:
You are supposed to reflexively dislike the victims most of the time, but it's a pretty thin trope. Like I'm supposed to root for the slutty girl or the meathead jock who was mean to the unpopular kids to be horribly stabbed to death or whatever. The punishment doesn't exactly fit the crime
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You are looking at things from the perspective of these reddit tier idiots and faggots that control tvtrops and wikipedia. You are not supposed to root against the jocks and cheerleaders. They are there because they are too weak to fight back. Most horror or slasher films feature people that are unarmed against powerful foes. A tiny teenage cheerleader cannot take on some immortal maniac like Jason or someone who can invade your dreams like Freddy. The entire point of the genre is that the monster wins. The cenobites or zombies or serial killers take everyone out, isolate the final girl, and take her down or maybe leave her alive for the sequel.

No one is rooting against the victims in Final Destination movies....but we know that they are doomed and going against 'death' or the grim reaper. They usually cast very attractive young men and women as the victims because people usually want to see attractive people on screen. All five Final Destination films are about mostly young attractive White men and women, high school and college aged even, failing to escape from the grim reaper. No one is rooting against them really or taking sides. But they are powerless to win.

Jason can easily kill cheerleaders. He is meant to win. If Jason has to take on Delta Force then you get something like Predator.

The other horror types are ones with intelligent or armed characters. Like Predator with its CIA/Army team. Or Aliens with Space Marines taking on their hive. Or AvP with a huge group of soldiers and scientists. Or The Thing with scientists and a security officer. And so on. Where these characters can fight back against the monster and sometimes even win. Presenting a new dynamic. But with most of those types of films you need intelligent protagonists with believable abilities not just plot armored heroes with god mode enabled like Prey. And people just want stupid "YAAAS SLAY QUEEEEEN!!" moments like Arya killing the Night's King or whatever.

The point I am making is that these film school faggots that control YouTube, tvttropes, wikipedia, and so on are rewriting history. Do not listen to those faggots. Unfortunately the guys at RLM are becoming more and more like them. Like cultural gatekeepers that have their own warped sense of the 'truth' that only aligns with their demented social views.
 
@TheHarbinger

I would say most of those aren't actually slasher films. There's psychological horror, supernatural horror, body horror, etc. in there

Some of them are slasher films. But the subversion of the trope only takes place in a few, like the original Halloween as you said. Characters with depth that aren't simple gore fodder got written less and less as the slasher genre became assembly line cheap budget hit the lizard brain buttons again and again productions. To the writers, directors, and producers, whether you feel any sympathy for any of the characters save the lead and maybe one or two more doesn't matter because that isn't the point. The point is to light up the brain by pushing the right buttons with jump scares/ever more depraved violence/whatever, overwhelm the audience with adrenaline infusions
 
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I disagree with them on this one. They try really hard to convince the audience that the film is really good and it probably is for them, but for me, I just find the whole love story and Corey stuff to be undercooked and shallow. I found the overbearing mother motivation cliche and that Corey didn't really have that much going for him besides being a victim. We only get hints at his life before the accident and when he becomes an outcast, it feels rushed. It tries to ape Christine but Christine did this a lot better in my opinion. We got a good look at Arnie's life before Christine, he got bullied a lot, sure, but most of his actions were his own. He went from a nerd to an asshole that isolated himself from his friends and family, we see the deterioration of his family life, friend group and relationship. Corey doesn't get this type of development and it seems to be a missed opportunity. Sidelining Laurie, Michael and Allyson probably wouldn't have been a bad thing if this wasn't an end to a trilogy. Even if the marketing was more honest about the content of the movie, brushing aside Laurie's whole arc just seemed desperate. They didn't know what to do after the 2018 film, so they just threw together a copy-cat killer love story. It was a curve ball, definitely, but I wasn't impressed by it. It was really disappointing.
 
meh, not sure how you could "relate" to an incel child-killer. Halloween Ends was barely even a horror movie more like a mediocre Lifetime melodrama/incel power fantasy.

Going with some friends to see Terrifier 2 in a couple days, hope that can work as a palette cleanser from this jewery.
 
They gave their reasoning why they liked it. I still think they're being contrarian to an extent but I think where they're coming from is being burn out. Mike's idea at the end of how evil is transferred into Cory would have been great and I think overall the idea of evil passing on is an interesting one. The problem is that the idea was botched here and with some changes to the script it could have been good:

Make the opening murder much more intentional. Cory intended to scare the kid because he hated the kid and it backfired. Establish the fucked up mother from the beginning.

Make him not the recipient of bullying by band geeks. Maybe they're not even bullies but mock him from a far?

Instead of his bullies attempting to kill him by throwing him off a bridge, he instead wants to get away from them and stumbles upon Myers. Myers is not decrepit and old but needs to be helped and fed victims because he needs to keep a low profile and has been killing homeless and junkies -which would also feed into the town slowly going to Hell. Then Cory leads some of his more innocuous bullies down there to buy weed or whatever, Myers slaughters the lot of them but one gets away. Cory continues to hang out with Myers, police come and waste Myers, the town torches the sewer AND THEN Cory grabs the mask and continues the rampage.

Then it proceeds pretty much the same way except there was a fake out and Myers is still around. Final battle happens. He's fed to the grinder and then the evil is fully passed over to Cory.
 
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