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[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I mean, that’s not even the real Picard. That’s a bio android with the real Picard’s memory after the real Picard died preventing the Mass Effect enemies from destroying all life in the universe because organics made robots on the same level as humans.

What if I told you none of that happened, and it was just Q fucking with Picard.

How mad would anyone actually be if *all* of this was just Q fucking with Picard?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

What if I told you none of that happened, and it was just Q fucking with Picard.

How mad would anyone actually be if *all* of this was just Q fucking with Picard?

I think we’d all prefer none of Star Trek: Picard happened, yes.

 

[Retink]

I mean, that’s not even the real Picard. That’s a bio android with the real Picard’s memory after the real Picard died preventing the Mass Effect enemies from destroying all life in the universe because organics made robots on the same level as humans.

This is Star Trek now.

I'm pretty sure he's not an android and actually a clone, but the writers or actors forgot the word for it and just went with android.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I'm pretty sure he's not an android and actually a clone, but the writers or actors forgot the word for it and just went with android.

He’s like a blank synthetic android with Picard’s identity “imprinted” on it or something like that. It’s some kind of super special robot made 100% organic material or some stupid shit.

Essentially it’s some spare human body made to look like Picard and given his brain scan.

 

[Retink]

He’s like a blank synthetic android with Picard’s identity “imprinted” on it or something like that. It’s some kind of super special robot made 100% organic material or some stupid shit.

Essentially it’s some spare human body made to look like Picard and given his brain scan.

Wasn't Shinzon a Romulan Picard clone that they were going to switcheroo with Picard?

You know what, screw, they win, Picard is a meat android and his mother somehow saved the universe or something despite not really meaning anything to the show as far as I understand it.

 

[robobobo]

I think how brazenly and desperately Wheaton shilled there is what struck me the hardest. There was nothing that the other people could possibly have done that he would not have enthusiastically agreed with, it's clear that if the people there had shit on a desk in front of him, he'd have been all smiles while he tucked a napkin in his collar and got out a fork and knife. They could've grabbed some fat dude in a cheeto-stained Spock t-shirt out of a con and still had okay odds of getting someone more dignified on screen than that.

 

[Hazel Motes]

….maybe you should sit down for this.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xqRIDP0NvXg2:29 specifically.

Not a Star Trek fan: can please someone explain why Picard looks like he grew up in the first stage of a Resident Evil game?

 

[FatMebius]

He’s like a blank synthetic android with Picard’s identity “imprinted” on it or something like that. It’s some kind of super special robot made 100% organic material or some stupid shit.

Essentially it’s some spare human body made to look like Picard and given his brain scan.

It's really fucking weird that the same thing happened to Patrick Stewart twice. Here and in one of those shitty endings to X-Men 3.

 

[ditto]

It's really fucking weird that the same thing happened to Patrick Stewart twice. Here and in one of those shitty endings to X-Men 3.

Wasn't that also co-produced by Bad Robot?

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

Holy shit the number of people simping for this storyline in comments.

IF SOMEONE KILLS THEMSELVES, IT IS ALWAYS A DEEP AND THOUGHTFUL CONTEMPLATION ON MENTAL ILLNESS
millennials and zoom zooms lap this shit up, bastardized caricatures of suicide and depression that spit on the real things. frankly, it's astonishing that more franchises haven't picked up on this being perhaps the easiest way to get a diehard coterie of fans to scream about how SMART and POIGNANT your stupid show about kung fu fighting and laser beams is

 

[Bush King]

IF SOMEONE KILLS THEMSELVES, IT IS ALWAYS A DEEP AND THOUGHTFUL CONTEMPLATION ON MENTAL ILLNESS
millennials and zoom zooms lap this shit up, bastardized caricatures of suicide and depression that spit on the real things. frankly, it's astonishing that more franchises haven't picked up on this being perhaps the easiest way to get a diehard coterie of fans to scream about how SMART and POIGNANT your stupid show about kung fu fighting and laser beams is

It's even worse than that.

We are somehow supposed to feel emotional and sad that a mother horrifically killed herself in front of her son. Fuck no. She decided to ruin that child's life for her own selfish reasons. Fuck her. I can imagine any child who has experienced that has nothing but constant angst and self-destructive thoughts based off knowing that your parents viewed you as so worthless they'd rather kill themselves than deal with you.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

We are somehow supposed to feel emotional and sad that a mother horrifically killed herself in front of her son. Fuck no. She decided to ruin that child's life for her own selfish reasons. Fuck her.

You can totally make a character like that a sympathetic, lamentable, tragic character. Why, just take a look at Art Spiegelman's Prisoner on the Hell Planet!
However, that strip took a lot to write. Namely, the author experienced the thing and was working through his own incredibly complex emotions, and you can see the anguish writ large right there on the page. It's a genuine tragedy, and we feel the genuine tragedy.

whereas this thing in trek is like pants on head retarded someone said SUICIDE IS VERY SAD and so MUH MENTAL ILLNESS got thrown onto the crapheap pile of random shit they bring up for absolutely no reason in picard, like climate change or immigration or gay rights or whatever the fuck. and despite the best hopes, this shit sells like hotcakes

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

How mad would anyone actually be if *all* of this was just Q fucking with Picard?

exactly zero

because that would be in character for Q.

 

[Bush King]

You can totally make a character like that a sympathetic, lamentable, tragic character. Why, just take a look at Art Spiegelman's Prisoner on the Hell Planet!
However, that strip took a lot to write. Namely, the author experienced the thing and was working through his own incredibly complex emotions, and you can see the anguish writ large right there on the page. It's a genuine tragedy, and we feel the genuine tragedy.

whereas this thing in trek is like pants on head retarded someone said SUICIDE IS VERY SAD and so MUH MENTAL ILLNESS got thrown onto the crapheap pile of random shit they bring up for absolutely no reason in picard, like climate change or immigration or gay rights or whatever the fuck. and despite the best hopes, this shit sells like hotcakes

To be fair, Art was 20 years years old at her death, and he lived his life incredibly apprehensive and broken about the hows and whys of his mother's suicide. He's incredibly scathing of his father too. Even in the most sympathetic interpretation, they fucked him up significantly.

 

[Flexo]

The line I brought up is at the very beginning of the scene. That's the specific spot I'm talking about. She's panicked, yet is also in awe.

This is the sequence right before then. By all means point out the time stamp or screenshot of her "awe" expression because every shot in that sequence is of horror and concern.

She doesn't miss much at all- she sees everything up to the very climax of of rotation, it's not like Brand fell asleep and didn't realise what was going on. I don't disagree the scene is fine, I don't understand why you think I said it didn't convey the situation well.

Because you said:
"I just don't see the focus being where it should be with how it's edited."

If the focus is not where it should be, then there is a problem with the scene and editting. If it conveys the scene and information well then what's the problem with the focus?

I'm talking specifically about one line, where my disagreement is solely due to the fact the main focus from my subjective interpretation is that Cooper is an amazing pilot, not that he is sacrificing a future with his daughter. That is it.

The movie already established Cooper as a great pilot previously even including the fact that NASA was willing to rehire him immediately upon his coming to the facility. The movie has set up this moment of payoff for much of the runtime.

It's not like a scene is "only" one thing. Indeed the best writing has a scene fulfill multiple functions at once. And this great climax pays off proof of a character's skill and his motivation and character arc all at once.

Plus how did you not think about his kids when before the sequence above Mann gives an overlong speech to Cooper about his kids. Again, it's hard to complain that this movie is too blunt and obvious when you are demonstrating that you are clearly missing the giant flashing neon signs the film is throwing up on screen.

The way the scene plays out, that line's intent is meaningless because getting to another planet or going home requires the same course of action. It's not a sacrifice in actuality, and so Cooper's character hasn't actually completed an arc.

Wrong. Cooper can take the lander back home or to another planet, he doesn't need the Endeavor. They were discussing this and him going back before the mishap happened. The only reason to save the Endeavor is to preserve the remnant of humanity.

In dropping into the black hole there is no hope for anything to escape the event horizon. Any data gained would be useless. The only possible way for it be helpful is if there is some way for it to escape the black hole, which none of our characters to that point have the ability to-

No. They went over this earlier:

There's a chance for the people on Earth.

- Talk to me.
- Gargantua's an older spinning black hole.

- It's what we call a gentle singularity.
- Gentle?

They're hardly gentle. But the tidal gravity is so quick that... something crossing the horizon fast might survive. A probe, say.

- What happens after it crosses?
- After the horizon is a complete mystery.

So, what's to say there isn't some way that the probe...

can glimpse the singularity and relay the quantum data?

If he's equipped to transmit every form of energy that can pulse.

Just when did this probe become a "he," professor?

TARS is the obvious candidate.

I've already told him what to look for.

I'd need the old optical transmitter off KIPP, Cooper.

You'd do this for us?

Before you get all teary, remember that as a robot I have to do anything you say.

bar the unseen interdimensional beings which have physically interacted with the characters several times through physically impossible means. We either have to say Cooper is actually mentally retarded in thinking that data could be relayed back, especially when TARS as the relay is closer to the event horizon than Cooper, or that Cooper had correctly guessed that some sort of contact with the bulk beings was possible.

Or we could have paid attention to the previously quoted scene I just pasted above.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that any objections you have to the movie would be answered by watching it again. Hopefully awake this time.

 

[Bush King]

This is the sequence right before then. By all means point out the time stamp or screenshot of her "awe" expression because every shot in that sequence is of horror and concern.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=wKaydrJJUD0

Because you said:
"I just don't see the focus being where it should be with how it's edited."

If the focus is not where it should be, then there is a problem with the scene and editting. If it conveys the scene and information well then what's the problem with the focus?


The movie already established Cooper as a great pilot previously even including the fact that NASA was willing to rehire him immediately upon his coming to the facility. The movie has set up this moment of payoff for much of the runtime.

It's not like a scene is "only" one thing. Indeed the best writing has a scene fulfill multiple functions at once. And this great climax pays off proof of a character's skill and his motivation and character arc all at once.

Plus how did you not think about his kids when before the sequence above Mann gives an overlong speech to Cooper about his kids. Again, it's hard to complain that this movie is too blunt and obvious when you are demonstrating that you are clearly missing the giant flashing neon signs the film is throwing up on screen.


Wrong. Cooper can take the lander back home or to another planet, he doesn't need the Endeavor. They were discussing this and him going back before the mishap happened. The only reason to save the Endeavor is to preserve the remnant of humanity.


No. They went over this earlier:

There's a chance for the people on Earth.

- Talk to me.
- Gargantua's an older spinning black hole.

- It's what we call a gentle singularity.
- Gentle?

They're hardly gentle. But the tidal gravity is so quick that... something crossing the horizon fast might survive. A probe, say.

- What happens after it crosses?
- After the horizon is a complete mystery.

So, what's to say there isn't some way that the probe...

can glimpse the singularity and relay the quantum data?

If he's equipped to transmit every form of energy that can pulse.

Just when did this probe become a "he," professor?

TARS is the obvious candidate.

I've already told him what to look for.

I'd need the old optical transmitter off KIPP, Cooper.

You'd do this for us?

Before you get all teary, remember that as a robot I have to do anything you say.


Or we could have paid attention to the previously quoted scene I just pasted above.

I think it's pretty clear at this point that any objections you have to the movie would be answered by watching it again. Hopefully awake this time.

I am retard

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

To be fair, Art was 20 years years old at her death, and he lived his life incredibly apprehensive and broken about the hows and whys of his mother's suicide. He's incredibly scathing of his father too. Even in the most sympathetic interpretation, they fucked him up significantly.

But you can also see how he works through those things, tries to deal with them, and the topic is explored in a thorough way. The holocaust clearly messed both of his parents up to some degree, and even just in that little strip there, it's clear that his mother was suffering and struggling, not in the right mind, and adrift in miasma. It doesn't forgive her or wipe away that suffering she inflicted onto Art, but it paints it in such a way that we feel genuine tragedy and that sensation of "I wish that didn't happen, I wish that could have been avoided" rather than "what the fuck was that, are you really doing that, are you really using suicide to try to tug lamely on heartstrings in this soulless corporate vanity project?"

 

[Flexo]

I am retard

It's OK. I once had an argument on YouTube with someone who insisted I was wrong, by making the argument I had expressly stated at the beginning. It was like half a dozen replies before they went back, reread the original post, and then did the same reply.

I'll tell you what I told them. 'Tis ok, the next round of drinks is on me.

 

[Bush King]

But you can also see how he works through those things, tries to deal with them, and the topic is explored in a thorough way. The holocaust clearly messed both of his parents up to some degree, and even just in that little strip there, it's clear that his mother was suffering and struggling, not in the right mind, and adrift in miasma. It doesn't forgive her or wipe away that suffering she inflicted onto Art, but it paints it in such a way that we feel genuine tragedy and that sensation of "I wish that didn't happen, I wish that could have been avoided" rather than "what the fuck was that, are you really doing that, are you really using suicide to try to tug lamely on heartstrings in this soulless corporate vanity project?"

This is more a difference of art versus robotic CONSUME media, I was talking more generally in the dissociation of reality versus how a depressed California writer who earns an oppressive $120,000 a year thinks suicide is an event deserving of pure sympathy and not disgust. Art makes you sympathetic precisely because he shows how much he fucking hates his mother's guts in his darkest moments. Perhaps @Flexo will prove me wrong again, but I recall him in Maus verging on saying he wished she was killed in the Holocaust because it would at least preserve some dignity and result in him not having to deal with his situation; the catharsis coming from understanding the existential dread of his position leads to sympathy with hers.

I'm fine with a schlock script having a shameless suicide scene, I just fucking hate how SSRI-addicted millenials who think a cat is a big responsibility and that abortions should be mandatory portray suicide.

 

[stuffandthings]

It's OK. I once had an argument on YouTube with someone who insisted I was wrong, by making the argument I had expressly stated at the beginning. It was like half a dozen replies before they went back, reread the original post, and then did the same reply.

I'll tell you what I told them. 'Tis ok, the next round of drinks is on me.

This is more heartwarming than both seasons of Picard.


Also, I loved Mike's FEMA tent analogy for if they pull 'it was only a dream' for these seasons. It's terrible, and his house is STILL gone, but he'd take it, because it's better than sitting in the snow.