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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Mola Ram said:
As I say to everyone who keeps trying to get me to watch The Mandalorian: "You only get to shit in my popcorn once."
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Disney couldn't even help themselves with the Mandalorian either. Almost every episode of the second season had a "HEY YOU REMEMBER HIM/HER?!" cameo and then they tried to kickstart a bunch of spinoffs from it. We just can't have nice things.
 
The Bovinian Derivative said:
Disney couldn't even help themselves with the Mandalorian either. Almost every episode of the second season had a "HEY YOU REMEMBER HIM/HER?!" cameo and then they tried to kickstart a bunch of spinoffs from it. We just can't have nice things.
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Not to mention that many of the second season episodes were obviously designed to be levels in the inevitable tie-in video game.
 
BIG BILL HELL'S said:
Not to mention that many of the second season episodes were obviously designed to be levels in the inevitable tie-in video game.
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I'd be a lot more forgiving if that inevitable tie-in game was a 90s-LucasArts-style point-and-click adventure.
 
I don't watch Picard apart from what I see on RLM and Major Grin's video's, but doesn't Picard's mum doing an hero really fuck up continuity...well more than they usually fuck it up? We see a memory Picard's mother as an elderly woman in that S1 episode where Wesley gets groomed. Even shitty diversity hires at Marvel give the wiki a look before they fuck things up.
 
Flexo said:
Hey now!

Don't forget the robot writing Picard may also be drunk!


Was with you up until this point.

I mean you're literally wrong. "It's necessary" is completely accurate and full of meaning because as far as the character is aware, the spinning, out of control ship is literally all that remains of humanity. If he doesn’t save it, the entire species is done for.

It's also a direct answer to earlier in the film where Brand asked Cooper of he would sacrifice humanity in theory (the embryos) to see his daughter again. That line and scene is an answer and refutation of her belief of his character. Burning the fuel needed to save the out of control endeavor is expressly Cooper giving up any hope of seeing his daughter again to save the fragment of humanity left.

I mean seriously. Half of the time when I come across someone critiquing Interstellar I have to ask if they actually watched the movie. This isn't even some "blank canvas" or "my interpretation" bullshit either. This is relating to expressed lines, scenes, etc that are all about as blatant to the film as possible.
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I'd agree with your interpretation if the scene wasn't set up more as Brand (and the audience) discovering how "cool" Cooper is. The importance of the line is mired when it cuts to Brand with "holy fucking shit he's doing it" on her face. I just don't see the focus being where it should be with how it's edited. It's a microcosm of the whole film up to that point, but in the context of the scene it's Brand basically giving up, and the sacrifice Cooper makes comes across as much less important when the decision is made for him. He's in a lander/cargo transport, not an interstellar space station, he can't get back to Earth unless he gets the situation under control. It's only after they do a run down of what remains they realise they have to slingshot around Gargantua. To top it off, he goes exploring for the interdimensional beings in the black hole- I'll be fair in saying he kind of had to to let Brand continue, but he at least strongly suspected that it would lead back to his daughter somehow, or at least be the only chance of it. The sacrifice is made, then ignored, and that is rewarded.

Interstellar is blatant and literal with 99% of the dialogue, but the film itself undercuts a lot of it through the editing choices made. I even think it's one of his best films, probably in the top five, but it has big issues.
 
Bush King said:
I'd agree with your interpretation if the scene wasn't set up more as Brand (and the audience) discovering how "cool" Cooper is. The importance of the line is mired when it cuts to Brand with "holy fucking shit he's doing it" on her face.
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WTF are you talking about??? She LITERALLY passes out during the scene and misses his effort. (2:50 mark)
Both times she looks at him in the sequence her face is partially obscured but it is still clearly panic (as you can see in the freakin title card for the video). At the end, the closest to a "oh shit" moment she has is leaning her head back and laughing with relief that the danger is passed.

Bush King said:
I just don't see the focus being where it should be with how it's edited.
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Where should it be. That entire sequence is used in physics classes nowadays for demonstrations about movement. Due explain how you would adjust the above to convey the sheer insanity of what is going on in that moment of man vs the universe.

Bush King said:
It's a microcosm of the whole film up to that point, but in the context of the scene it's Brand basically giving up, and the sacrifice Cooper makes comes across as much less important when the decision is made for him. He's in a lander/cargo transport, not an interstellar space station, he can't get back to Earth unless he gets the situation under control. It's only after they do a run down of what remains they realise they have to slingshot around Gargantua. To top it off, he goes exploring for the interdimensional beings in the black hole- I'll be fair in saying he kind of had to to let Brand continue, but he at least strongly suspected that it would lead back to his daughter somehow, or at least be the only chance of it. The sacrifice is made, then ignored, and that is rewarded.
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Again, literally wrong. Again I have to ask if you WATCHED the film. From the transcript:
No! No! Cooper! What are you doing?
Newton's third law. You got to leave something behind.
You told me we had enough resources for both of us.
We agreed, Amelia... ...90 percent.
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The slingshot around Gargantua won't work with the weight of Cooper's craft on Endeavor. He doesn't go exploring for interdimensional beings, they're trying to get data from the black hole to save earth, he and TARS are a combined effort to accomplish this.
Cooper, you can't ask TARS to do this for us.
He's a robot. So you don't have to ask him to do anything.
Cooper, you asshole!
Sorry, you broke up a little bit there.
It's what we intended, Dr. Brand. It's our only chance to save people on Earth. If I can find a way to transmit the quantum data I'll find in there... ...they might still make it.
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He had no idea nor any way to suspect that he would ever see his daughter again, it's all expressly an effort to save her.

Bush King said:
Interstellar is blatant and literal with 99% of the dialogue, but the film itself undercuts a lot of it through the editing choices made. I even think it's one of his best films, probably in the top five, but it has big issues.
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Yet it's apparently not literal enough as you STILL misinterpreted things that were literally spelled out. (And maybe double check the "editing choices" as apparently a bunch of those are made up as well.)
 
Flexo said:
WTF are you talking about??? She LITERALLY passes out during the scene and misses his effort. (2:50 mark)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=a3lcGnMhvsABoth times she looks at him in the sequence her face is partially obscured but it is still clearly panic (as you can see in the freakin title card for the video). At the end, the closest to a "oh shit" moment she has is leaning her head back and laughing with relief that the danger is passed.


Where should it be. That entire sequence is used in physics classes nowadays for demonstrations about movement. Due explain how you would adjust the above to convey the sheer insanity of what is going on in that moment of man vs the universe.


Again, literally wrong. Again I have to ask if you WATCHED the film. From the transcript:

The slingshot around Gargantua won't work with the weight of Cooper's craft on Endeavor. He doesn't go exploring for interdimensional beings, they're trying to get data from the black hole to save earth, he and TARS are a combined effort to accomplish this.

He had no idea nor any way to suspect that he would ever see his daughter again, it's all expressly an effort to save her.


Yet it's apparently not literal enough as you STILL misinterpreted things that were literally spelled out. (And maybe double check the "editing choices" as apparently a bunch of those are made up as well.)
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The line I brought up is at the very beginning of the scene. That's the specific spot I'm talking about. She's panicked, yet is also in awe. She doesn't miss much at all- she sees everything up to the very climax of of rotation, it's not like Brand fell asleep and didn't realise what was going on. I don't disagree the scene is fine, I don't understand why you think I said it didn't convey the situation well. I'm talking specifically about one line, where my disagreement is solely due to the fact the main focus from my subjective interpretation is that Cooper is an amazing pilot, not that he is sacrificing a future with his daughter. That is it. The way the scene plays out, that line's intent is meaningless because getting to another planet or going home requires the same course of action. It's not a sacrifice in actuality, and so Cooper's character hasn't actually completed an arc.

In dropping into the black hole there is no hope for anything to escape the event horizon. Any data gained would be useless. The only possible way for it be helpful is if there is some way for it to escape the black hole, which none of our characters to that point have the ability to- bar the unseen interdimensional beings which have physically interacted with the characters several times through physically impossible means. We either have to say Cooper is actually mentally retarded in thinking that data could be relayed back, especially when TARS as the relay is closer to the event horizon than Cooper, or that Cooper had correctly guessed that some sort of contact with the bulk beings was possible. I'd say the latter, seeing as they'd shown their power by depositing a wormhole. Again, this was going to occur regardless as they didn't have the energy to transport everyone to the final planet, but then Nolan has done "main character sacrifices himself" scenes several times now without having a secondary reason that doesn't make sense.
 
Fluoxetine Man said:
I don't watch Picard apart from what I see on RLM and Major Grin's video's, but doesn't Picard's mum doing an hero really fuck up continuity...well more than they usually fuck it up? We see a memory Picard's mother as an elderly woman in that S1 episode where Wesley gets groomed. Even shitty diversity hires at Marvel give the wiki a look before they fuck things up.
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Yes it does, and yes she did. They added an obvious ADR line where Picard says “oh, sometimes I used to imagine my mother as an elderly lady serving me tea”. It’s very stupid.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
They added an obvious ADR line where Picard says “oh, sometimes I used to imagine my mother as an elderly lady serving me tea”. It’s very stupid.
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Y-your just fucking with me?!
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
The end of Picard’s “arc” this season.

Not joking.
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Does it even have the components to qualify as an arc? From what I understand his mother is mentioned at the start without much reason and then when he lets go of the past in his brain something?
 
Retink said:
Does it even have the components to qualify as an arc? From what I understand his mother is mentioned at the start without much reason and then when he lets go of the past in his brain something?
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I mean, that’s not even the real Picard. That’s a bio android with the real Picard’s memory after the real Picard died preventing the Mass Effect enemies from destroying all life in the universe because organics made robots on the same level as humans.

This is Star Trek now.
 
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