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[Mega Man II Intro - GB]

It's also really based because it actually somewhat sympathetically presents the position, "If you can cure 'the gays', and the people who you cure are happier than those not treated, then isn't that treatment good? If you can force treatment on a schizo, then what other mental illnesses is it ethical to force treatment on?"

Wanting to cure schizophrenia is ableism my friend. Some of our best artists and poets were schizophrenic! (diagnosed by myself after reading their wikipedia page, naturally)

 

[ditto]

If you can force treatment on a schizo

Then half the movies on Best of the Worst wouldn't exist.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

It's also really based because it actually somewhat sympathetically presents the position, "If you can cure 'the gays', and the people who you cure are happier than those not treated, then isn't that treatment good? If you can force treatment on a schizo, then what other mental illnesses is it ethical to force treatment on?"

I dunno. I was always creeped out at Soran going full trans, and that's the look on Riker's face.

 

[northstar747]

Also the Orville did the gender shit in a very heavy handed way

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

I've said this somewhere in the Star Trek thread, but that episode of Riker wanting to fuck Soran is actually really, really based and anti-tranny. The whole episode is that the tranny wants to be a true woman, but her tranny society finds gender degenerate and demands that she undergo a medical procedure to remove her gender. She is then arrested and that medical procedure is forced upon her, brainwashing her into believing what her society believes.

I get this idea, but it's clear what the intent is. Episodes like it laid the ground work for more LGBT shit. Sadly, we can't go back and act like it was really based that Riker wanted to fuck a woman from a gender neutral race or whatever "based" cope someone can come up with.

I'd get a screenshot from the RLM video where they leave the definition of "allegory" on screen, but I'm too lazy. The point was to push the gender shit we see today plus be a "gay conventions therapy is bad" ep. Mission accomplished.

Also the Orville did the gender shit in a very heavy handed way

I find it amazing which people shill for that shitty show. It's more pozzed than 99% of classic ST, yet so many faggots in the FM, that supposedly are "anti-woke", love it and wish it was in ST cannon. Thank fuck RLM doesn't shill it too.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

I get this idea, but it's clear what the intent is. Episodes like it laid the ground work for more LGBT shit. Sadly, we can't go back and act like it was really based that Riker wanted to fuck a woman from a gender neutral race or whatever "based" cope someone can come up with.

I'd get a screenshot from the RLM video where they leave the definition of "allegory" on screen, but I'm too lazy. The point was to push the gender shit we see today plus be a "gay conventions therapy is bad" ep. Mission accomplished.

I find it amazing which people shill for that shitty show. It's more pozzed than 99% of classic ST, yet so many faggots in the FM, that supposedly are "anti-woke", love it and wish it was in ST cannon. Thank fuck RLM doesn't shill it too.

Yeah, I know the intent was to make an Oscar Wilde/Alan Turing kind of story. It was written by Jeri Taylor, after all. I just find it funny her story happens to be the exact opposite of her intention as actual content.

As for Orville being proto-woke, the execution of it does matter, with full awareness that Star Trek was always susceptible to wokeness.

EDIT: To add to execution, the Moclans effectively are trying to fix the J'Nai premise; both are allegedly mono-gender that in reality aren't and both are blunt about the agenda behind them, the difference is in true TNG fashion, they still give the villain a (strawman) rationale. This kind of feminist agenda is also only in Moclan episodes. Most of the time, the running conflict in this show is more about Claire's relationship to Izak or to develop the Krill's character, so audiences get long breaks from proto-wokeness. Kurtzman Trek doesn't even bother with either practice. Even if Kurtzman Trek wasn't agenda-driven, the practice of long form storytelling lock their stories down to a few "epic" plot points and stretches them out.* This new method of television writing has not been all that kind to older TV writers such as Parker & Stone (season 20) or Groening & Cohen (Disenchantment). The Orville as a show in general is intentionally locked into the 90s as a format, which is serialized, so while they have to come up with a lot of stories (with memberberries) they're not locked into a few plot beats stretched over 12 episodes.

MORE EDITING: To add to the strawman rationale, a lot of the strawmanning comes from McFarlane himself and I cite the Astrology episode as an example. Basically, it's First Contact, the TNG episode not movie, but with Krola as the chancellor instead. That episode doesn't work because McFarlane is an atheist and thinks astrology is dumb. Now, while it is true that astrology--and by proxy religion--makes all kinds of leaps in logic, they do have a rationale that's internally consistent, such as in Thine Own Self. The Gillac episode fails because it strawmans its antagonist's motivations. Now, while strawmanning is a fallacious presentation of the other side, it is a presentation at all. Kurtzman Trek doesn't even do that to the point that RLM makes a Trump voter joke at ST.

*I also mean epic in the poetic sense.

 

[Travoltron]

Yeah, I know the intent was to make an Oscar Wilde/Alan Turing kind of story. It was written by Jeri Taylor, after all. I just find it funny her story happens to be the exact opposite of her intention as actual content.

IIRC, the gay rights groups reacted negatively to the episode. Most of them were too stupid to understand the downbeat ending and thought the episode was saying that conversion therapy was a good thing. I thought the queers were a bunch of ingrates for complaining after TNG had stuck their necks out for them. But to be fair, the episode was shit.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Honestly, all it comes across is you being mad they won’t rant and scream about the Left. They talked about how Star Trek has been political, how the older series would do it’s best not to cartoonishly villify the character and at least give the antagonists real reasons and logic for why they did why they did. They pointed out that nu-Trek is all about strawmanning and just calling the side they don’t agree with evil.

They’re doing what you’re saying they’re not. You’re just upset because you think they’re not doing it hard enough.

Your heckin' ecelebs aren't super smart unbiased people, they're basic shitlibs with boomer nostalgia for 90s shitlibbery. To say they're glass half full towards their preferred beliefs is like saying water is wet.

It's like if you started crying if someone pointed out christcucks are pretty lax on shittalking jesus, when they talk about a poorly made preachy firefighter jesus movie.

 

[Flexo]

Also the Orville did the gender shit in a very heavy handed way

And it made even less sense on there.

 

[draggs]

I think they're pretty normie about politics, ie they don't think about it all the time, and when they do, they usually think damn those political people are freakin weirdos

I mean I can't imagine Mike or Jay or Rich sperging the fuck out about something political, they're nerds who are still interested in classic nerd shit instead of transferring their nerdery to politics like so many nerds have

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

Even the COVID and Ukraine threads are less spergy about politics than this one. Just one comment about RLM being basic bitch 90s liberals is enough to have the RLM Internet Defense Force (the RLMIDF, if you would) come out to cry and gaslight about the politics of RLM. Centrist and "apolitical" people are the lowest. The world and people are political, get over it.

 

[draggs]

Even the COVID and Ukraine threads are less spergy about politics than this one. Just one comment about RLM being basic bitch 90s liberals is enough to have the RLM Internet Defense Force (the RLMIDF, if you would) come out to cry and gaslight about the politics of RLM. Centrist and "apolitical" people are the lowest. The world and people are political, get over it.

Lol wut

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Even the COVID and Ukraine threads are less spergy about politics than this one. Just one comment about RLM being basic bitch 90s liberals is enough to have the RLM Internet Defense Force (the RLMIDF, if you would) come out to cry and gaslight about the politics of RLM. Centrist and "apolitical" people are the lowest. The world and people are political, get over it.

No one gives a shit about your politics. Same as they don’t give a shit about mine.

Move on.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

No one gives a shit about your politics. Same as they don’t give a shit about mine.

Move on.

I never said people did, sperg. I've seen multiple times in this thread someone makes a comment about RLM being liberals and then the copes come running it: "we don't even know their politics", "they make fun of both the left and the right", "they make fun of woke stuff", "I don't like politics reeeeeeeee", and more retarded shit. It's so fucking gay to see so many cope posts about internet critics being left-wing. Grow up, faggots.

 

[Null]

I never said people did, sperg. I've seen multiple times in this thread someone makes a comment about RLM being liberals and then the copes come running it: "we don't even know their politics", "they make fun of both the left and the right", "they make fun of woke stuff", "I don't like politics reeeeeeeee", and more retarded shit. It's so fucking gay to see so many cope posts about internet critics being left-wing. Grow up, faggots.

They very obviously go out of their way to avoid all politics which is their appeal to their audience. Stop bringing politics into this thread.

 

[SSJGPUAR]

... I mean, they definitely do bring up politics more than when the channel started, if you've watched most of their videos and think they're apolitical I rea;;y don't know what channel you're watching. Just watch their reaction to any old video that brings up gayness.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

 

[DaBigBopper]

... I mean, they definitely do bring up politics more than when the channel started, if you've watched most of their videos and think they're apolitical I rea;;y don't know what channel you're watching. Just watch their reaction to any old video that brings up gayness.

I'd argue that was when it was culturally okay to call something gay and it wasn't a pejorative about being gay, but more that something sucked dick. Argue about what I mean by that, but RLM generally just tries to play nice with the current state of affairs. I don't think I've seen RLM go back and put a disclaimer before old videos like the dude who makes Yu-Gi-Oh abridged do. I think they want to stay under the radar, unless it's AIDS Moby that dude is very vulnerable to peer pressure.

Odds are they are liberal because they're fucking film students who never have made anything worth a damn beyond some shitty ironic movies. They're a step above Doug Walker. The Dogfucker is a better critic then them and odds are they'd defend MovieBob if given the chance.

 

[Sneeds_Sniggerly]

... I mean, they definitely do bring up politics more than when the channel started, if you've watched most of their videos and think they're apolitical I rea;;y don't know what channel you're watching. Just watch their reaction to any old video that brings up gayness.

My whole point is that sometimes they do bring up politics and it's clear where they lean on most things. I just find the sperging that happens when even a passive comment is made about it to be really cringey and dumb. One comment about it creates 5+ more. Again, I like RLM, but not the weird reactions people have to this shit. That's all I have to say and the matter. I guess there's no point in highlighting this anymore, so that's that.

 

[Mola Ram]

One comment about it creates 5+ more.

Fella, you're the 5+ at this point.