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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%

  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%

  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%

  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%

  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%

  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%

  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%

  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%

  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%

  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%
  • Total voters
    1,073
Pustus said:
To be fair they are boomers and I think Jay is probably left leaning. On top of that if you really dived into it I think their channel might go poof from our friends at Google.
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Everyone knows that everyone on RLM is to some degree a leftist. Mike, Jay, and Rich are just stuck in the 90s liberals. When it comes to talking about politics in media, the "Fandom Menace" has been doing that for years now and never got banned. They could just say the showrunners are using ST to push their politics but they rather say "they just don't get Star Trek" as a cope. Lefties, no matter how mild they are, will never trash talk the politics of people further to the left of them. This is clear with all the anti right-wing and fedora tipping comments they've made over the years.
SteelPlatedHeart said:
I don’t need everything I enjoy watching to talk or bitch about politics. I don’t care about their political leanings, I just want to watch the fun drunk tired men mock the bad Star Wars.
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Star Trek has become extremely political, the show runners openly talk about putting "modern" politics in the show. I'm not asking for Mike and Rich to talk about how evil Marxism is for 2 hours or whatever shit you think. I'm just saying they should stop acting like it's a weird mystery as to why ST is like this or making up copes that it's about money or whatever. I just find it annoying and dumb.

Imagine some guy that bitches about fleas coming into his home but never talks about the dogs that bring them it. Get it now?
 
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Introvertigo said:
Just checked out the RLM Patreon and it looks like the next video is a Re:View on Darkman.
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Its going to be a Josh and Jay episode...
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Sneeds_Sniggerly said:
Everyone knows that everyone on RLM is to some degree a leftist. Mike, Jay, and Rich are just stuck in the 90s liberals. When it comes to talking about politics in media, the "Fandom Menace" has been doing that for years now and never got banned. They could just say the showrunners are using ST to push their politics but they rather say "they just don't get Star Trek" as a cope. Lefties, no matter how mild they are, will never trash talk the politics of people further to the left of them. This is clear with all the anti right-wing and fedora tipping comments they've made over the years.

Star Trek has become extremely political, the show runners openly talk about putting "modern" politics in the show. I'm not asking for Mike and Rich to talk about how evil Marxism is for 2 hours or whatever shit you think. I'm just saying they should stop acting like it's a weird mystery as to why ST is like this or making up copes that it's about money or whatever. I just find it annoying and dumb.

Imagine some guy that bitches about fleas coming into his home but never talks about the dogs that bring them it. Get it now?
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Honestly, all it comes across is you being mad they won’t rant and scream about the Left. They talked about how Star Trek has been political, how the older series would do it’s best not to cartoonishly villify the character and at least give the antagonists real reasons and logic for why they did why they did. They pointed out that nu-Trek is all about strawmanning and just calling the side they don’t agree with evil.

They’re doing what you’re saying they’re not. You’re just upset because you think they’re not doing it hard enough.
 
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Strange Wilderness said:
Something I've been thinking about is that the evil fascist government based out of the Walt Disney concert hall is named the Confederacy. A Confederate government is one that has a weak central government and the member states have equal or greater power to the federal government. If anything the dystopian future should resemble Mad Max where galactic society has collapsed or one where the Klingons, Romulans, Borg, and the Dominion dominate the galaxy due to the weakened Federation. They picked a word they think means someone is bad and evil without bothering to do the research and hoping their audience is as stupid and simple minded as they are.
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These are people who think that believing that opposing regimented health mandates from an omnipotent federal government is "fascism."
 
DankSmoker said:
Its going to be a Josh and Jay episode...
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I like Josh when hes paired with Jay. Fuck me, huh...

As a side note:
RalphTheMovieMaker in the past year has tried to emulate the discussion style that RLM is famously known for. Even going as far as dubbing his videos as RTMM. He's brought in his Bostonian Friend who he did an unrionically comical 3 hour long review of ww84 with, he's also brought in his brother and then brought in both of them for the JLZS movie review. These made me realize how much Adum really carries the Sardonicast podcast. And it also made me appreciate how much effort RLM puts into their videos. It's not just jay, mike and co. sitting in front of microphones and just talking. Part of the reason their dynamic works is because it seems like they roughly plan out what theyre going to say and do before hand, and they'll even re-do a line if they think they can say it better.
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
Honestly, all it comes across is you being mad they want rant and scream about the Left. They talked about how Star Trek has been political, how the older series would do it’s best not to cartoonishly villify the character and at least give the antagonists real reasons and logic for why they did why they did. They pointed out that nu-Trek is all about strawmanning and just calling the side they don’t agree with evil.

They’re doing what you’re saying they’re not. You’re just upset because you think they’re not doing it hard enough.
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Fucking sad that's what you got out of my post. I can only guess you're one of those pussies that starts crying the moment politics is brought up even though everything is political, especially these days. SAD!
 
Sneeds_Sniggerly said:
Can everyone put down their rose colored glasses for old ST? It's fucking pathetic seeing people act like ST was not super left-wing before now.
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I was meaning to say this in the Star Trek thread, since this keeps coming up. But I don't really agree. What percentage of old Trek episodes actually had left-wing allegories to contemporary issues? It seems like the majority of them were just regular sci-fi stories.

I sometimes feel Trek has become the victim of its own hype. There is so much self-fellating bullshit involved in the Legend of Star Trek™, much of it made up by Roddenberry himself and his sycophants. So many of his tall tales about being some liberal hero that stood up to mustache-twirling racist/sexist network executives have been debunked.

And I have to thank Rick Berman for keeping the nutty far-left hacks at bay during his tenure. David Gerrold was trying to put queers in Starfleet as far back as TNG. It was nice while it lasted.
 
Travoltron said:
I was meaning to say this in the Star Trek thread, since this keeps coming up. But I don't really agree. What percentage of old Trek episodes actually had left-wing allegories to contemporary issues? It seems like the majority of them were just regular sci-fi stories.

I sometimes feel Trek has become the victim of its own hype. There is so much self-fellating bullshit involved in the Legend of Star Trek™, much of it made up by Roddenberry himself and his sycophants. So many of his tall tales about being some liberal hero that stood up to mustache-twirling racist/sexist network executives have been debunked.

And I have to thank Rick Berman for keeping the nutty far-left hacks at bay during his tenure. David Gerrold was trying to put queers in Starfleet as far back as TNG. It was nice while it lasted.
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While some series like TNG had a lot of (mostly) apolitical episodes, a lot were pushing gay/trans things. There is a feminist element in most of the episodes but they didn't really bring attention to it, but when they did it's because some "sexist" points out having women in military/security is dumb. Anything kind of religious or "authoritarian" system is put down in every episode they're in. While not every ep was super pozzed, more than enough were. At least if you have the shows digitally, you can ignore or even delete the pozzed eps from your collection. I feel bad for people back in the day that waited all week for TNG, wondering what amazing adventure it will be that week, only to see Riker want to fuck a tranny.

The cult of "progressive" media has ruined more than ST. The same virus has spread to everything else like Star Wars. "Something something Leia is a feminist icon. Representation blah blah and that's why we have gay blacks in SW now". Main issue with ST is that being really left-wing back in the 60s or even 80s is basically being conservative now. On top of that, people are so dumb and crazy about politics they have to write the most ham-fisted shit about how evil Trump voters are and how great gay interracial gang bangs are.

Rick Berman may be one of the best Jewish producers in Hollywood just for being willing to say no to pozzed shit. Plus, he helped give us 7 of 9.
 
Travoltron said:
I was meaning to say this in the Star Trek thread, since this keeps coming up. But I don't really agree. What percentage of old Trek episodes actually had left-wing allegories to contemporary issues? It seems like the majority of them were just regular sci-fi stories.
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There s a book

So gene was kinda an asshole.

The pilot episode encounter at far point was written by another person. Gene took her script "as a frame work" and put in other shit.

Namely Q. in fact after its pointed out you can see how their are two very different tones mashed together.

Another thing Gene did was push for how "humanity matured" this makes writing interpersonal conflicts harder, its why TNG had school on shit, while also being a military vessel, but as rich has argued star trek was a world you d want to live in.

as for TOS shit.


Ohura gets called a charming negress and has a laugh about it because "they let go of that stuff"

Racism


Fascism


Early TNG had an episode that was pure shaka zulu primative black people.

TNG also had an 2 episodes dealing with ritual suicided wolf and some alien

Fucking DS9 has sisko explaining how in federation space its easy to be an angel but harder to be good in the face of the founders etc.

again the people in Nu trek arent able to do morality plays.
 
Mega Man 2 Intro - NES said:
In order to retain viewers they have to pretend not to know the politics behind all the stupid shows they review. If they acknowledged it they'd have to talk about it, which risks losing viewers. They seem to be financially retarded (How do they not have good merch? Lots of talented people watch their channel. They have a comic book artist friend. How can they not get some shirts going? Maybe do a partnership deal for some vinyl figures of Mike+Jay+Rich+Mr. Plinkett. Partner with a brewery for a "Half in the Bag" beer! Use your nerd audience for something other than ad views, idiots!) so they have to keep the viewer numbers high at all costs.
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You mean shirts like these?
 
I agree with most of Mike's points in the latest Picard vid. I do think they're going to split up and every group tackles a different 21st century boogie man. Picard takes on the fascists, Rios has immigration, Raffi has poverty/anti capitalism with a crossover with Rios on healthcare, and Seven will have climate change. I disagree that Jurati will forcibly usurp the borg queen. I think she will become a protege and either be offered the position by the current queen or she will split off and create a second collective of some kind. There will be a part where she has to choose between her pals Picard and Seven or her new BFF the borg queen and she will turn on her friends and help the queen. We know this will happen based on the foreshadowing Mike pointed out plus her background being robotics.

I'm still surprised at how much credit the guys are giving this show. They actually liked the hospital scene? I hated that entire part. Hated it even more when ICE raided. I don't care for this entire theme of current world issues. Where's the sci fi? I was shocked they have a clip of Kurtzman admitting to leaning toward this vs futuristic sci fi. I don't want to see ICE in Star Trek. I don't care if you have to hide the theme under layers of "alien rights" in the year 2454 or whatever. I'm fine with being spoon fed some alegory by rubber alien face prosthetics. I watch sci fi to escape not be reminded of the shitty dirt ball I actually live on.
 
KrewlKween said:
I'm still surprised at how much credit the guys are giving this show. They actually liked the hospital scene? I hated that entire part. Hated it even more when ICE raided. I don't care for this entire theme of current world issues. Where's the sci fi? I was shocked they have a clip of Kurtzman admitting to leaning toward this vs futuristic sci fi. I don't want to see ICE in Star Trek. I don't care if you have to hide the theme under layers of "alien rights" in the year 2454 or whatever. I'm fine with being spoon fed some alegory by rubber alien face prosthetics. I watch sci fi to escape not be reminded of the shitty dirt ball I actually live on.
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I feel like they could have hammered the show much more than they did; from the clips they showed it looks hilariously bad, certainly the most heavy-handed "current year" plotlines I've seen recently. I don't know if as longtime Trek fans they're just giving it more of a pass or if they're afraid coming down on it too hard will piss twittertards off or something. When Mike realized there were going to be at least 7 more episodes he seemed aghast and even Rich said "you know we don't have to watch this" or something along those lines, so I feel like they know it's awful and are just trying to think of anything salvageable to bring up (which isn't much).

Also totally agree with you, this didn't seem like Star Trek at all, more like a bad NCIS/CSI ripoff from the mid aughts.
 
Crisis Acting Instructor said:
I feel like they could have hammered the show much more than they did; from the clips they showed it looks hilariously bad, certainly the most heavy-handed "current year" plotlines I've seen recently. I don't know if as longtime Trek fans they're just giving it more of a pass or if they're afraid coming down on it too hard will piss twittertards off or something. When Mike realized there were going to be at least 7 more episodes he seemed aghast and even Rich said "you know we don't have to watch this" or something along those lines, so I feel like they know it's awful and are just trying to think of anything salvageable to bring up (which isn't much).

Also totally agree with you, this didn't seem like Star Trek at all, more like a bad NCIS/CSI ripoff from the mid aughts.
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I don't think they care about pissing off Twitter since they're already blocked by a lot of the big ST accounts. There are plenty of people critical of NuTrek there including the majority of their fanbase. I think they're just desperate for something to not suck. They've already written off Discovery and it's obvious their favorite is TNG because that's what they grew up on. So naturally they would cling to this one. But I'm one to talk because I'm actively shitting on it but also watching every week so...there must be something to it.
 
Flexo said:
You mean shirts like these?
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They're shitty shirts. Jay wears shirts all the time that he buys from an actual t-shirt shop with actual designs. Why can't they sell stuff like that? It's because they're lazy.
KrewlKween said:
I disagree that Jurati will forcibly usurp the borg queen. I think she will become a protege and either be offered the position by the current queen or she will split off and create a second collective of some kind.
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Honestly it just feels like stupid writing to have Picard and Seven in the same show and it's the new character who gets special attention from the Borg queen. She should be lusting after bringing former drones back into the collective, not making eyes at some random drunk. I haven't actually watched the show so I don't know if this Borg queen knows who Picard and Seven are, but fuck it, it's time travel and the Borg, you can handwave that shit in five seconds. She can sense the nano-particles that still swim in their systems... ooh, spooky! This is science fiction!
 
KrewlKween said:
I don't think they care about pissing off Twitter since they're already blocked by a lot of the big ST accounts. There are plenty of people critical of NuTrek there including the majority of their fanbase. I think they're just desperate for something to not suck. They've already written off Discovery and it's obvious their favorite is TNG because that's what they grew up on. So naturally they would cling to this one. But I'm one to talk because I'm actively shitting on it but also watching every week so...there must be something to it.
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There's also the fact that they're probably sympathetic to these specific causes, to an extent, so it doesn't bother them quite as much as it does a lot of us on here. I do think they try to play it a little safe when it comes to this stuff though, but less that they ignore things, or particularly pull their punches, and more that they go out of their way to be more 'balanced' when they critique certain things. Frankly it doesn't bother me too much as I'm not looking for hot button political takes from these guys, and they aren't exactly keen to give them either; it appears to me they're still one of the most apolitical youtube channels around, with the exception of an obviously left leaning joke or two every now and again.
 
Sneeds_Sniggerly said:
While some series like TNG had a lot of (mostly) apolitical episodes, a lot were pushing gay/trans things. There is a feminist element in most of the episodes but they didn't really bring attention to it, but when they did it's because some "sexist" points out having women in military/security is dumb. Anything kind of religious or "authoritarian" system is put down in every episode they're in. While not every ep was super pozzed, more than enough were. At least if you have the shows digitally, you can ignore or even delete the pozzed eps from your collection. I feel bad for people back in the day that waited all week for TNG, wondering what amazing adventure it will be that week, only to see Riker want to fuck a tranny.

The cult of "progressive" media has ruined more than ST. The same virus has spread to everything else like Star Wars. "Something something Leia is a feminist icon. Representation blah blah and that's why we have gay blacks in SW now". Main issue with ST is that being really left-wing back in the 60s or even 80s is basically being conservative now. On top of that, people are so dumb and crazy about politics they have to write the most ham-fisted shit about how evil Trump voters are and how great gay interracial gang bangs are.

Rick Berman may be one of the best Jewish producers in Hollywood just for being willing to say no to pozzed shit. Plus, he helped give us 7 of 9.
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I've said this somewhere in the Star Trek thread, but that episode of Riker wanting to fuck Soran is actually really, really based and anti-tranny. The whole episode is that the tranny wants to be a true woman, but her tranny society finds gender degenerate and demands that she undergo a medical procedure to remove her gender. She is then arrested and that medical procedure is forced upon her, brainwashing her into believing what her society believes.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I've said this somewhere in the Star Trek thread, but that episode of Riker wanting to fuck Soran is actually really, really based and anti-tranny. The whole episode is that the tranny wants to be a true woman, but her tranny society finds gender degenerate and demands that she undergo a medical procedure to remove her gender. She is then arrested and that medical procedure is forced upon her, brainwashing her into believing what her society believes.
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It's also really based because it actually somewhat sympathetically presents the position, "If you can cure 'the gays', and the people who you cure are happier than those not treated, then isn't that treatment good? If you can force treatment on a schizo, then what other mental illnesses is it ethical to force treatment on?"
 
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