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Favorite recurring character? (Select 4)

  • Jack / AIDSMobdy

    Votes: 257 24.0%
  • Josh / the Wizard

    Votes: 77 7.2%
  • Colin (Canadian #1)

    Votes: 460 42.9%
  • Jim (Canadian #2)

    Votes: 230 21.4%
  • Tim

    Votes: 386 36.0%
  • Len Kabasinski

    Votes: 208 19.4%
  • Freddie Williams

    Votes: 274 25.5%
  • Patton Oswalt

    Votes: 27 2.5%
  • Macaulay Culkin

    Votes: 541 50.4%
  • Max Landis

    Votes: 64 6.0%

  • Total voters
    1,073
I was finding yall's debate interesting with both of you making decent points up until this. @Australianbirdfruit had literally 2 sentences out of like 40 relating to wokeness - hardly "all [they] are talking about."

If anything the fruit is clear that the wokeness is merely a symptom. You could take out the lesbians and most of his points would still stand.
What points? Everything that didn't have to do with religion or lesbians was just stating personal opinions like it's mediocre and shallow.

Yes, the vain wish for a miracle to save them from death through religion, for which the church act as an obvious culprit of dangerous and radicalizing temptation.
It's a small island. The church is the pillar of their community that holds everything together.
It's in the center of it all because it is central to the islanders.
It could've been an island where everyone is Wiccan and everything happens in whatever churches Wiccans have if that wasn't weird and not relatable.

The admiration of John Pruitt was shown to be almost cult like, as is only befitting the leader of a Christian congregation in current year, of course.
Only Bev does this - and only to secure her own status.
She's exploiting the church for it. It's not damning for the church, it's damning for her.
Women like that exist. If this took place in an ultra liberal city (which wouldn't work since the show needs a small isolated community to work), she'd be the big LGBT ally, constantly virtue signaling about how terrible bigots are.

And when did the inhabitants ever save the drunk? Do you mean "save" as in that they didn't outright excommunicate Joe Collie? Talk about stretching it.
I'm talking about the priest. His Christian-motivated actions to help him were the only lifeline he got thrown.

Islam doesn't serve to make the cop an outsider: the sheriffs suffrage through evil hwhite mans evil racism forced him out on the island
That's the reason why he's on the island in the first place even though he doesn't fit into it.
He's the outsider who didn't grew up on the island and doesn't even take part in the church service like most islanders do.
Again, it all serves to make him the outsider that he is. Yeah, his backstory is a bit pandering but it's not saying "Islam is great - this wouldn't have happened if we all prayed to Allah".

, and while being there he wouldn't set his foot in a church as it was beneath his faith, despite the inhabitants wanting him there, not necessarily as a believer, but as part of the collective. When his son is drawn to the church's increasing fervor of belief in miracles, the sheriff very distraught that his son would abandon the muslim faith (the final, and thus correct, message from God, as he says). The mother had paid with her life to stand up for "her dignity" and honor (how very muslim-like), and his son shall not defile her noble sacrifice by flirting with the church.
Yes, after his wife died he became very devout. It's how this character is dealing with her death. It says something about who he is, nothing about Islam or Christianity in general.

His heroic role overall, and nonsensical monologue about hwhite mans racism out of nowhere in one of the later episodes (something even self-professed "progressives" claim to be bewildered about in other forums such as moviechat.org), is further serving to cement the islamic faith as being somehow more reasonable and grounded.
He's a cop. He dies pretty miserable, achieving nothing. Islam didn't help him or anyone - it just put him into a more adversarial role to the church by making him an outsider to it.

It's almost admirable how you can claim to have seen the show yet still come out of the experience not having been able to read the scenes beyond the most surface level.
You're the one calling the show shallow. Shouldn't there be only a surface level then?
I'm amazed how you can only see "church" and "something bad happens", completely ignore what the show is about, and cry how it's anti-Christian because of it.

I'd argue it's heavily implied to be the main villain. There are far too many distinct undertones for this not to be the case. Had they treated all faiths with equal amount of criticism for nurturing unreasonable and potentially dangerous beliefs, I would have not had an issue whatsoever.
So when the show is not explicitly telling you "hey, muslims do bad things too", it must be pro Islam propaganda?

Still, the TV-series biggest sin is that it's boorish and mediocre, as I've said many times already. Your fixation on my criticism of wokeness is telling of your degeneracy as a furry.
What am I supposed to argue with a simple opinion like "it's mediocre"?
 
I think mike pointed out that their will never be a movie lie Star trek: The motion picture. which was slow burn.

It really was Star Trek II WOK. that was a shot in the arm.

The passing of the torch that was generations sucked.

But I liked First Contact,

Insurrection and Nemesis

Yeah not so good.
Generations was a huge disappointment. I was so let down by that movie. What a missed opportunity. First Contact is the strongest Next Gen movie but that's not saying much. Next Gen's strength was being an ensemble show. The Next Gen cast had nothing to do in those movies. They squandered everything good about the Next Generation with the movies by making them all about ACTION PICARD! Picard is not Kirk. They did a disservice to the character by trying to make him Kirk. FUCK YOU RICK BERMAN! What's up with guys named Rick ruining movies?
 
Remember that Generations was being written at the same time as Season 7, so the writers would often get confused which one they were writing for. By all the odds, All Good Things should have been a confusing mess and I consider it a miracle that it isn't. The cost is Generations is a confusing mess. It is, however, the one movie where Picard had to act like TV Picard, which is not the case in the other movies.
 
Spoilers ahead, because I'm lazy and can't be bothered with the spoiler tag.

I'm sorry your reading comprehension is severely impaired.

Yes, the vain wish for a miracle to save them from death through religion, for which the church act as an obvious culprit of dangerous and radicalizing temptation.

The admiration of John Pruitt was shown to be almost cult like, as is only befitting the leader of a Christian congregation in current year, of course. Furthermore, Bev choose to exploit the islands inhabitants reluctance to admit Pruitts dementia by tacitly overtaking his administration over the church, convincing the inhabitants to accept the oil companys settlement, and for them to donate said money to the church, for her benefit (the church being "like a tick sucking itself fat on blood", as Riley says in his commentary about the church in general). How very church-like. And when did the inhabitants ever save the drunk? Do you mean "save" as in that they didn't outright excommunicate Joe Collie? Talk about stretching it.

Islam doesn't serve to make the cop an outsider: the sheriffs suffrage through evil hwhite mans evil racism forced him out on the island, and while being there he wouldn't set his foot in a church as it was beneath his faith, despite the inhabitants wanting him there, not necessarily as a believer, but as part of the collective. When his son is drawn to the church's increasing fervor of belief in miracles, the sheriff very distraught that his son would abandon the muslim faith (the final, and thus correct, message from God, as he says). The mother had paid with her life to stand up for "her dignity" and honor (how very muslim-like), and his son shall not defile her noble sacrifice by flirting with the church. His heroic role overall, and nonsensical monologue about hwhite mans racism out of nowhere in one of the later episodes (something even self-professed "progressives" claim to be bewildered about in other forums such as moviechat.org), is further serving to cement the islamic faith as being somehow more reasonable and grounded. It's almost admirable how you can claim to have seen the show yet still come out of the experience not having been able to read the scenes beyond the most surface level.

I'd argue it's heavily implied to be the main villain. There are far too many distinct undertones for this not to be the case. Had they treated all faiths with equal amount of criticism for nurturing unreasonable and potentially dangerous beliefs, I would have not had an issue whatsoever.

Still, the TV-series biggest sin is that it's boorish and mediocre, as I've said many times already. Your fixation on my criticism of wokeness is telling of your degeneracy as a furry.
Isn't there a show thread you guys could sperg in? Mike and Rick are Fedoratippers, so the fact it criticizes religion is probably a plus to them. Wokeness is in everything these days and it's the price you pay to get your entertainment. If you can't filter out the woke and just enjoy a show, then you probably shouldn't watch it. There.

TNG was already running out of steam in 1993/4, they were lucky enough and talented enough to end the show on a high note, another season would've been worse and the movies are mostly garbage. Idk why they weren't able to replicate the success of the TOS movies, but those felt like a cosy space adventure with old friends while the TNG films were just dumb or boring.

Generations was a huge disappointment. I was so let down by that movie. What a missed opportunity. First Contact is the strongest Next Gen movie but that's not saying much. Next Gen's strength was being an ensemble show. The Next Gen cast had nothing to do in those movies. They squandered everything good about the Next Generation with the movies by making them all about ACTION PICARD! Picard is not Kirk. They did a disservice to the character by trying to make him Kirk. FUCK YOU RICK BERMAN! What's up with guys named Rick ruining movies?
The original TOS did have a more cozy cast, with Kirk at the center of it as the leader, and with Spock and McCoy being his friends and main sources of feedback. TNG had an ensemble cast where the characters had less focus on them, even though, episodes might revolve around individual characters from time to time. TNG also had fewer "pulp adventure" elements (ie: elements that might endear an audience to a charismatic character or characters,) and stayed mostly in the realm of speculative science fiction. The TNG movies (and the Picard Series) tried to add more pulp/adventure/action elements into their plots to make them seem more exciting, but the end result was to make them seem more dumbed down. It's fun to see Kirk kick a lizard guy in the face. It's cringy to see Picard doing the same. The tone is all wrong. Picard should be sitting on the bridge of the Enterprise sipping an earl grey tea and ordering some technobabble solution to deescalate the situation so it can be solved with diplomacy. Picard should be dignity incarnate, something the character's own actor fails to grasp.

I can't get over how old Patrick Stewart is. He looks like he's about to die (because he is), but what's worse is his sepulchral senile old man voice. The guy can no longer act, it's just embarrassing, like a bewildered daycare resident being forced to participate in a play or they won't get their painkillers and prune juice.

Christopher Lee and Bill Shatner still had enough vitality and screen presence in their early 80's, and Leonard Nimoy retained enough gravitas to play Spock at that age, but Stewart has lost it. He should be enjoying his final years playing with his grandkids and sipping G&T's on a yacht instead of doing this shit, which I don't think anybody is even watching except to farm hateclicks on YouTube reaction videos. Star Trek: Picard is just elder abuse.
Stewart may be doing it as a favor to someone, he may be doing it to promote the moral values of the show, or he may just like being in front of a camera again, even though he's rapidly turning into the Painting of Dorian Gray. The man did a good job of keeping himself buff through his Sixties, and had a pretty good voice acting career for most of his life, but something's happened to make him sound old. Lung problems maybe...?
 
TOS also had a problem with a lot of egos on the set. Takei and Shatner in particular. Dunno much about everyone else, but those two seemed to be the biggest problems on the original show.
I doubt Takei was much of a problem on TOS. At the time, he was a bit player and still a relatively young child groomer gay actor. Granted, after TOS he became a raging egomaniac, but if tried throwing his weight around on the TOS set he probably would have got his ass booted.
 
Stewart may be doing it as a favor to someone, he may be doing it to promote the moral values of the show, or he may just like being in front of a camera again, even though he's rapidly turning into the Painting of Dorian Gray. The man did a good job of keeping himself buff through his Sixties, and had a pretty good voice acting career for most of his life, but something's happened to make him sound old. Lung problems maybe...?
Site's doing that no reply link bullshit again.

Doesn't Stewart smoke pot like a fucking chimney? I remember him going on about having arthritis and about how nsaid treatment would give him the heartburns, and of course rather than take a PPI he'd rather be stoned 24/7/365. Sure whatever you wanna do, man, but it can't be great on your voice.

I also remember in the TNG Tech Manual or something of the like how he really wanted the Captain's Gig we never ended up seeing on the Enterprise to be named after Cousteau's ship Calypso, which the people with naval knowledge on the show were 'well actually no'. So he had some history trying to put at least enviro-stuff in.
 
Doesn't Stewart smoke pot like a fucking chimney? I remember him going on about having arthritis and about how nsaid treatment would give him the heartburns, and of course rather than take a PPI he'd rather be stoned 24/7/365. Sure whatever you wanna do, man, but it can't be great on your voice.
Yes, which is why Mike edited in a loaded glass pipe when Picard was talking about turning on his "personal relaxation light" in one of the TNG retrospectives they did.
 

This BanyaBat who politely clips the commentary together released an even bigger version of their Batman & Robin commentary. I guess he keeps testing how far he can go before Susan strikes him and how much he has to edit in, and he does a good job mixing in the B&R extras and the RLM callbacks. He's a trooper.
 
I take back the nice things I said about Josh.

I fucking hate his shirt in this episode
Beat me to it.
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This is the kind of shit I was referring to when I said it's fine to hate them if they make their on-air experience fucking insufferable. Show me Jack or Jim pulling any of this shit in an episode beyond Jack being visibly uncomfortable discussing ammunition grain during the Exploding Varmints bit.
 
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