Red Letter Media

[BlueSpark]

we tend to make fun of autism around here

So what's the issue with mocking the RLM guys?

they've pioneered a whole style of internet humor

They didn't pioneer anything.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

They didn't pioneer anything.

Wrong. They may have pioneered a fanboy sentiment that convinced Disney into hiring J.J. Abrams for Star Wars ...

lol.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

The Deadpool movies say hello, and you can't get any more mainstream than Deadpool. They did this shit half a decade ago.

Deadpool is pretty tame. If my memory serves, they made a few jokes about how the fox/marvel split made making the movie a giant pain in the ass and how they had to substitute out for d-tier x-men in the film, right? When it comes to purely meta elements, sure, matrix4 is nothing new (and it was a tired thing even when deadpool did it, tbh) - but the review doesn't leave me thinking they found the meta stuff in and of itself interesting.

Lana "sea anemone hair" Whoahchowski did the thing that sunk the godawful live action Bebop: insulting the core audience. Except it was a core component of the film's first act rather than some social media screed. I think that's the je ne sais quoi they allude to - like I said, even ghostbutters 2016 kept its scorn mostly to interviews and twitter. It's interesting because it has the gumption to insult the only people who would be watching it, which was what led Jay to ponder in the review about who the hell the movie was intended for.

So what's the issue with mocking the RLM guys?

When people go after them for shit like the boring christmas special or changes to their show formats that don't exactly work out, I mean, that's pretty legit. Or if they say something stupid on social media more than worthy of derision - though their relative quiet there is in part why it's a lot easier to make fun of a Lindsay Ellis than a Rich Evans.

People misconstruing what they said about the movie just because they didn't condemn it to the same degree they wanted is a bit different. Though I do like the idea that Mike has drank himself into early-onset senility.

They didn't pioneer anything.

Yeah, neither did James Rolfe or Doug Walker.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Deadpool is pretty tame. If my memory serves, they made a few jokes about how the fox/marvel split made making the movie a giant pain in the ass and how they had to substitute out for d-tier x-men in the film, right? When it comes to purely meta elements, sure, matrix4 is nothing new (and it was a tired thing even when deadpool did it, tbh) - but the review doesn't leave me thinking they found the meta stuff in and of itself interesting.

The first movie in particular made fun of its own movie studio for giving it a shoestring budget because of "how little faith 20th Century Fox had in the project." And both movies repeatedly eviscerated 20th Century Fox for X-Men Origins: Wolverine. And, literally, in the opening credits of the movie, they referred to the writers as "The Real Heroes" and the film producers as "Some Asshats," or something along those lines.

A capeshit movie beat a Matrix movie to this kind of thing over 5 years ago, and the people defending this new Matrix movie are acting like it's this super duper unique thing when it really, really isn't.

What the new Matrix movie did wasn't unique in any way. And you're backtracking on your previous statements already. RLM *did* give it a soft recommendation because "why not, it's streaming" and even made the comparison to a fun movie like Gremlins 2, which is a movie that they have established that they think highly of. That's not "misinterpreting" a damn thing.

And if you want to talk about the video format criticism, there has been plenty of criticism towards how rambly and not very entertaining the review was. Which ... Yeah. The review was pretty boring at the end of the day, too.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

And, literally, in the opening credits of the movie, they referred to the writers as "The Real Heroes" and the film producers as "Some Asshats," or something along those lines.

Yeah. Where did it call the audience a bunch of slobbering manchildren with plastic bobblehead addictions?
Making fun of the studios and having self-referential humor isn't anything new, yeah - the new is baking in scorn for your fans right into the movie.

And you're backtracking on your previous statements already. RLM *did* give it a soft recommendation because "why not, it's streaming" and even made the comparison to a fun movie like Gremlins 2

The comparison to Gremlins 2 comes from the fact that it both makes fun of the industry and pokes fun at consumerism - which m4 does, just very ineptly. The misconstruing is this: their comparing it to Gremlins 2 doesn't mean they're remotely suggesting M4 is on a similar level of quality. They call it thoroughly mediocre and bad several times throughout, but recommend it despite this (if you have the service already) because it was something fresh-ish for them. I personally find almost all meta-comedy to be really trite, but I have to admit I don't know of many big films that flip their audience the bird.

The review itself does feel pretty slapdash and low-effort, but eh, it was the holidays.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Yeah. Where did it call the audience a bunch of slobbering manchildren with plastic bobblehead addictions?
Making fun of the studios and having self-referential humor isn't anything new, yeah - the new is baking in scorn for your fans right into the movie.

The comparison to Gremlins 2 comes from the fact that it both makes fun of the industry and pokes fun at consumerism - which m4 does, just very ineptly. The misconstruing is this: their comparing it to Gremlins 2 doesn't mean they're remotely suggesting M4 is on a similar level of quality. They call it thoroughly mediocre and bad several times throughout, but recommend it despite this (if you have the service already) because it was something fresh-ish for them. I personally find almost all meta-comedy to be really trite, but I have to admit I don't know of many big films that flip their audience the bird.

The review itself does feel pretty slapdash and low-effort, but eh, it was the holidays.

There are so many pieces of media that make fun of consumerism. So. Goddamn. Many. The first thing that comes to my mind is Spaceballs, which is almost a 40 year-old movie, no less. The Matrix Resurrections isn't unique with this either. Hell, even Jingle All the Way, a notoriously crappy 25-year old Christmas movie, makes fun of consumerism during Christmas. Don't see any critics giving that movie any praise.

As for "showing disdain for its own audience," even Zack Snyder of all people beat The Matrix to this, too. He did it with the notorious box office flop, Sucker Punch. Literally, the movie is called Sucker Punch because the movie spends almost 3 hours telling the audience that they're pigs for oggling the scantily clad women on screen. I don't recall anyone calling that movie "genius." In fact, I remember even RLM calling it a failure, albeit an "admirable" one.

Zack Snyder has also repeatedly trashed fanboys who say stuff like "Batman shouldn't kill" and whatnot, and he triples down on it. Batman v Superman was a gargantuan middle finger to a ton of comic book fans in that regard. Where's RLM for calling him "unique" over that?

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

I'm going to stop after this because I can't come up with more ways to repeat myself

There are so many pieces of media that make fun of consumerism.

Yes. I named Robocop, too. However:

A breath of not-quite-fresh air to break a staid atmosphere for mike

someone flipping the bird by intentionally tanking a cash-grab for jay.

You're naming stuff from a decade to decades ago. And even if BvS treads on its source material, and Snyder insists that Sucker Punch was actually just pretending to be a misogynistic fantasy to pwn the chuds, he didn't straight up have someone call you a retard for wanting more bullet time. M4 isn't the first to do much of anything, and it isn't remotely good (from the sounds of things) at anything it does - but it's still badly attempting things pretty uncommon in the cinemascape of the last few years. The most lame-dicked, childish critique of consumerism, consumers, and studios in recent memory also happens to be the only one in recent memory. And the studio never stopped to think it might be a really bad idea to publish.

For all that, it gets a "eh, why not" alongside plenty of warnings that the film isn't actually that good. They're not calling it innovative or well-executed or good; they're saying it was different enough for them to have mildly enjoyed it. By all means, they have a twitter if you want to convince them that they shouldn't have found mild amusement from it.

 

[ditto]

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I'm going to stop after this because I can't come up with more ways to repeat myself

Yes. I named Robocop, too. However:


You're naming stuff from a decade to decades ago. And even if BvS treads on its source material, and Snyder insists that Sucker Punch was actually just pretending to be a misogynistic fantasy to pwn the chuds, he didn't straight up have someone call you a retard for wanting more bullet time. M4 isn't the first to do much of anything, and it isn't remotely good (from the sounds of things) at anything it does - but it's still badly attempting things pretty uncommon in the cinemascape of the last few years. The most lame-dicked, childish critique of consumerism, consumers, and studios in recent memory also happens to be the only one in recent memory. And the studio never stopped to think it might be a really bad idea to publish.

For all that, it gets a "eh, why not" alongside plenty of warnings that the film isn't actually that good. They're not calling it innovative or well-executed or good; they're saying it was different enough for them to have mildly enjoyed it. By all means, they have a twitter if you want to convince them that they shouldn't have found mild amusement from it.

Sucker Punch took place in a mental hospital for women, where they were being raped, abused, and murdered. The movie would give you these overtly indulgent action scenes with women wearing skimpy clothing, and then it would jump back to the "reality" of the movie, trying to make the audience feel like shit for enjoying the previous scene. It's pretty damn obvious when you watch the movie. I'm not saying the movie is good, but it's clear what it was trying to do. At least that movie didn't give up half way with what it was trying to do either.

First half of the Matrix sequel: "lol bullet time stupid. U stupid for liking that shit."

Second half of the Matrix sequel: "Hurr durr explosions and people jumping out of buildings and Trinity flying. REMEMBER THE FIRST MATRIX?! Cool shit, am I right?"

I fail to see how this movie was interesting. I also find it hilarious that the same people behind The Matrix: Reloaded-- a movie that had nonstop action scenes that everybody made fun of when it first came out almost 20 years ago (yes I'm old enough to remember that)-- made a movie trying to mock the audience for liking action scenes and "bullet time." Amazing. 10/10. Genius! lol. Perhaps if comedy had been incorporated into the action scenes, then this may have had the potential to be interesting and maybe even good as an unexpected parody (especially after how The Matrix is one of the most parodied movies ever). I would actually find that to be smart and entertaining. Thats not at all what happened though.

It's like this movie was trying to deny how creatively bereft it was. Lana Wachowski was like "Well shit, if they make this without me, I don't get a paycheck. I want that paycheck, but I don't want to appear to be a giant hack ... Shit! Well, let's pull the first half of the movie out of my ass and then do some action scenes or some shit in the second. If I spend 45 minutes of the movie telling everyone it sucks, then they can't criticize me for it sucking! Whatever. Matrix 4 paycheck time! Fuck you." That's the movie, and it fails on everything it "tried" to do. Unless Lana Wachowski was trying to pull a Bialystock & Bloom, I refuse to call anything about this movie "unique" or "interesting."

Anyway, please do continue to defend to your hearts content and talk yourself into circles as you can't handle anyone giving an iota of criticism towards internet famous people you like. Make an "RLM Praise Only Thread" too if you want, but that's not the title of this thread.

Again. I love RLM as a whole (Josh can fuck off tho). I just disagree with them about this, and I'm sure I'll disagree with them about something else in the future. Oh well?

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

The biggest irony of this thread is that the RLM guys would probably make fun of/actively hate on the guys defending them with their names/faces in their profiles.

Also FYI; invoking "This is Kiwifarms, we make fun of autism" when someone writes some paragraphs about how they don't like your friend simulators latest bad movie review is pretty dumb, considering this whole site is built upon threads chronicling in detail what internet/content creator retards are doing.

 

[BubbleButt]

The matrix half in the bag was laughable and Lolcow bait

The reaction to the matrix half in the bag is also laughable and Lolcow bait

Both of these things can be true.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

The biggest irony of this thread is that the RLM guys would probably make fun of/actively hate on the guys defending them with their names/faces in their profiles.

Also FYI; invoking "This is Kiwifarms, we make fun of autism" when someone writes some paragraphs about how they don't like your friend simulators latest bad movie review is pretty dumb, considering this whole site is built upon threads chronicling in detail what internet/content creator retards are doing.

tag me next time tiger

Look man, if you want to say it's literally impossible for Mike to find the movie to be different from everything else recently released and it's literally impossible for Jay to find WB shooting their money down a flaming toilet entertaining, by all means. It's a retarded take. You want to say their content's getting lazier and they're putting in less effort? I'm not gonna take issue there.

I'm the guy that, eons ago, called the brave and unassailable culture warriors whining about Jim's retarded twitter takes a bunch of oversensitive children while at the same time pointing out that Jim is uncharismatic, unfunny, and doesn't add anything to the panels he's appeared on. It ain't hard to split criticism from kvetch.

I routinely laugh at people a-logging uninteresting and unremarkable autists in detail on this site because the appeal of half of the threads anymore is knowing that the guy writing a thesis about some random fat furry is a deadbeat dad who creeps on users with female avatars. The "curators" are just as much the content, doubly so because they think their hairless incest chastity porn secrets are safe. or are we gonna say the saga of spooky bones is a very serious affair you can't make fun of now

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

tag me next time tiger

Look man, if you want to say it's literally impossible for Mike to find the movie to be different from everything else recently released and it's literally impossible for Jay to find WB shooting their money down a flaming toilet entertaining, by all means. It's a retarded take. You want to say their content's getting lazier and they're putting in less effort? I'm not gonna take issue there.

I'm the guy that, eons ago, called the brave and unassailable culture warriors whining about Jim's retarded twitter takes a bunch of oversensitive children while at the same time pointing out that Jim is uncharismatic, unfunny, and doesn't add anything to the panels he's appeared on. It ain't hard to split criticism from kvetch.

I routinely laugh at people a-logging uninteresting and unremarkable autists in detail on this site because the appeal of half of the threads anymore is knowing that the guy writing a thesis about some random fat furry is a deadbeat dad who creeps on users with female avatars. The "curators" are just as much the content, doubly so because they think their hairless incest chastity porn secrets are safe. or are we gonna say the saga of spooky bones is a very serious affair you can't make fun of now

There's no need to tag you when you're fanatic enough to check this thread hourly.

And it's nice to see you use the site to laugh at deadbeat dads who creep on females, but can't understand how some of us might laugh at friendless weirdos who get bootytickled when someone says Jay and the Fatman have a bad take or are slipping a bit.

Edit: Also, I never said anything about Mike liking the movie being impossible. I simply stated that I think this review is just another in a recent list showing that the HITB format doesn't seem to work as well for streaming and that they are getting long winded, boring and a bit up their own ass.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

There's no need to tag you when you're fanatic enough to check this thread hourly.

And it's nice to see you use the site to laugh at deadbeat dads who creep on females, but can't understand how some of us might laugh at friendless weirdos who get bootytickled when someone says Jay and the Fatman have a bad take.

I dunno if you noticed, but there's a notifications button. You seem to have given me a lot of them. It's rather just courteous to not come off as a passive-aggressive bitch on a forums board where the worst someone can do is harm your precious karma. But then, I used to trawl the A&N trenches, so I know that number is very, very important to a lot of people.

Is that all you're saying? That's fine, but that's not what was being said, my man. They routinely have stupid reasons for their recommendations and routinely recommend stupid things. Suggesting that they fully liked the film or even liked it for reasons other than sheer novelty is misinterpreting their review - that's it. Really using my body as a shield in broaching this point.

 

[Hard Toothbrush]

Took their recommendation once and watched A Ghost Story.
Will never do it again.

Weren't you enthralled by 8 minutes of a woman eating a pie? IT TOOK 8 MINUTES TO EAT AND BOYHOOD TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE, BOTH GREAT MOVIES.

 

[DankSmoker]

Weren't you enthralled by 8 minutes of a woman eating a pie? IT TOOK 8 MINUTES TO EAT AND BOYHOOD TOOK 12 YEARS TO MAKE, BOTH GREAT MOVIES.

Watching sad women eat gets me going.

 

[I.B. Niggin]

This thread is gay.

But so am I, because I kind of liked A Ghost Story.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The biggest irony of this thread is that the RLM guys would probably make fun of/actively hate on the guys defending them with their names/faces in their profiles.

Also FYI; invoking "This is Kiwifarms, we make fun of autism" when someone writes some paragraphs about how they don't like your friend simulators latest bad movie review is pretty dumb, considering this whole site is built upon threads chronicling in detail what internet/content creator retards are doing.

And it’s just as dumb having people get that angry or MATI because the internet movie review didn’t hate on the movie enough. Just hating on something doesn’t immediately put you in the right in here.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

And it’s just as dumb having people get that angry or MATI because the internet movie review didn’t hate on the movie enough. Just hating on something doesn’t immediately put you in the right in here.

Yeah, we already established that. You don't have to keep trying to convince yourself you didn't look like just as much of a retard.

 

[Mola Ram]

Watching sad women eat gets me going.

This is among the least autistic things said here in the last five pages or so.