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[Outer Space Traveller]

Without politisperging, and instead focusing on the formula: what is the thread's consensus on the general formula towards Red Dead Redemption 2? I mean, I keep sometimes going and then coming back wondering if it is worthwhile. I don't have a computer that is able to play this just yet, but I want to hear opinions. It looks beautiful and full of possibilities, yet if GTA IV has taught me anything was that you have a certain restriction with missions being activated while you are just "enjoying the game".

I wonder if there are bigger problems than that. particular example - considering nothing big happens if we use GTA IV as an example, while in RDR2 Arthur dies and you have John Marston.

 

[Quintex96]

Without politisperging, and instead focusing on the formula: what is the thread's consensus on the general formula towards Red Dead Redemption 2? I mean, I keep sometimes going and then coming back wondering if it is worthwhile. I don't have a computer that is able to play this just yet, but I want to hear opinions. It looks beautiful and full of possibilities, yet if GTA IV has taught me anything was that you have a certain restriction with missions being activated while you are just "enjoying the game".

I wonder if there are bigger problems than that. particular example - considering nothing big happens if we use GTA IV as an example, while in RDR2 Arthur dies and you have John Marston.

It's good for a playthrough but there are times when rockstar's design philosophy will piss you off. Most people will cite the part where you have to break into a warehouse and the game penalizing you for trying to get creative, but for me it happened much earlier on, I don't remember the specifics only that I was trying to loot a couple of bodies and the game just started throwing endless lawmen at me until I did what the game wanted. It hits that weird crossroads where the game aspects and cowboy sim aspects clash and it stops satisfying the player altogether.
Ultimately I would say play it and decide for yourself, for all it's faults there is nothing quite like it out there.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

It's good for a playthrough but there are times when rockstar's design philosophy will piss you off. Most people will cite the part where you have to break into a warehouse and the game penalizing you for trying to get creative, but for me it happened much earlier on, I don't remember the specifics only that I was trying to loot a couple of bodies and the game just started throwing endless lawmen at me until I did what the game wanted. It hits that weird crossroads where the game aspects and cowboy sim aspects clash and it stops satisfying the player altogether.
Ultimately I would say play it and decide for yourself, for all it's faults there is nothing quite like it out there.

What exactly as design philosophy? I mean, I particularly liked Rockstar's ideas in San Andreas where there was a balance between exploration and "possibilities", and even then it lacked on some fronts. The examples you gave me could be annoying, I understand.

 

[Swine Schwein]

I wonder if there are bigger problems than that

The biggest problem is how the game puts you in a chokehold during many story missions. Try to do shit your way, at your pace, or try to be creative - that's a fucking no-no. Just follow the prompts like a retard. Some missions aren't that bad while others make me seethe and dilate until I fart blood. YMMV, depends how much you fuck around with what the game considers to be its limits at any given time.

Pretend it's a movie. The game itself already does.

Between story missions, the open world itself is beautiful and good. You can breathe there at least, and the AAA production quality is pretty much top tier.

The game has had heavy discounts lately. It's easily worth whatever 10-25 bucks they're asking nowadays just for the few things it gets right. If you constantly feel the urge to get it, it probably already tickles you from somewhere you wanna be tickled. It's not like you haven't seen any videos of it, right?

When I hate it, I hate it like the most retarded autist, and I want to beat the devs with shovels and pissy towels. But when I'm not dealing with the missions, I can enjoy riding and just looking at the world, or engage in non-story activities. It's good then. It really is a Jekyll&Hyde situation for me.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

Pretend it's a movie. The game itself already does.

Ah, that makes sense.

The game has had heavy discounts lately. It's easily worth whatever 10-25 bucks they're asking nowadays just for the few things it gets right. If you constantly feel the urge to get it, it probably already tickles you from somewhere you wanna be tickled. It's not like you haven't seen any videos of it, right?

Right, watching videos of it is fun, yet can get boring rather quickly. Makes me want to experience it - but I don't have a good computer for it.

The biggest problem is how the game puts you in a chokehold during many story missions. Try to do shit your way, at your pace, or try to be creative - that's a fucking no-no. Just follow the prompts like a retard. Some missions aren't that bad while others make me seethe and dilate until I fart blood. YMMV, depends how much you fuck around with what the game considers to be its limits at any given time.

But seeing how the game says "you don't have much freedom to play missions as you wish" is quite annoying.

 

[regalterry]

But seeing how the game says "you don't have much freedom to play missions as you wish" is quite annoying.

As I've said in this thread and elsewhere, Rockstar keeps making two games and trying to cram them into one.

There's the slop third-person cinematic "experience" ala Sony shit, where their smoothbrain writers think they're the gaming equivalent of Tarantino and people give a fuck about their dogshit storytelling, and then there's the simulationist devs that the writing team is attached to like a malignant tumor.

When RDR2 is not busy beating you over the head with its dumbfuck commiefornia messaging, it's a fun Wild West experience, but one forever hobbled by a narrative that at no point managed to connect with me.

If Rockstar approached making the game a game first, and a movie a distant second, it could have been great, but alas what we're stuck with is the flawed attempt to marry both into one project.

If the story connects with you, great, if you can look past how on-rails everything is, also great, if you can enjoy the stale gameplay, and if you can tolerate the arbitrary insistence of realism in some aspects (like looting corpses playing a slow-ass animation) and not in others (literally everything to do with the narrative), also great.

But if any of these are dealbreakers, you're better off wasting your time on something else.

 

[Outer Space Traveller]

As I've said in this thread and elsewhere, Rockstar keeps making two games and trying to cram them into one.

There's the slop third-person cinematic "experience" ala Sony shit, where their smoothbrain writers think they're the gaming equivalent of Tarantino and people give a fuck about their dogshit storytelling, and then there's the simulationist devs that the writing team is attached to like a malignant tumor.

Off topic but fuck Tarantino. I don't think he's the genius people make him out to be. That's all.
As for the So(y)ny experience, yeah - it is fun to watch the gameplay. Thankfully, it could be much worse.

If the story connects with you, great, if you can look past how on-rails everything is, also great, if you can enjoy the stale gameplay, and if you can tolerate the arbitrary insistence of realism in some aspects (like looting corpses playing a slow-ass animation) and not in others (literally everything to do with the narrative), also great.

But if any of these are dealbreakers, you're better off wasting your time on something else.

Appreciated. Yeah, may be a better deal to enjoy with mods in Arthur's side (or John in the endgame, whatever) - or try not to rage at RD Online I guess.

 

[Joshua Cohen Mohnstein]

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This greentext wasn't the one I was originally looking for but it sums up Arthur's entire conceit as a character. The amount of people who want to portray themselves as hard-right badasses but remain so permissive of all the gay libshit in this game is usually a good tell to figure out if they even know what they're talking about

 

[Green Man]

This "bro everyone in the game is a shitlib bro they spend literally half the game saying like le heckin' racismerino is wrong that's totally unbased and gay literally unplayable bro if you liked this game you're a faggot shitlib oh by the way DA JOOOOZ" discourse around RDR2 is so fucking cumbersome and tired at this point. It's old hat, get new and interesting opinions already, Jesus Christ. Reminds me of the guys who act like if you don't live on a diet of boiled potatoes and raw steak, you're a fat, sick libtard who will die of turbo-cancer at 40 because you consoomed the GOYSLOP, meanwhile all of those schizoids probably subsist solely on Hot Pockets heated up by mama because they don't know how to fucking cook, but if they did they'd totally never eat goyslop and they would totally always make everything from scratch because microplastics, seed oils and high fructose corn syrup are tools of Jewish mindrape. So much of the online right [the Retard Right] is totally subsumed by the very same virtue signaling, purity spiraling, tone-policing bullshit purveyed and perfected for decades by the Redditoid class and it's really funny to me that none of them fucking notice it.

Retard Right: "You enjoyed RDR2 even though Arthur never plans to gas the kikes and start the race war? You're a fucking shitlib faggot bro, you might as well go suck off a tranny right now dude, that's how fucking gay you are."
Retard Left: "You enjoyed le Harry Potter game based on a book written by a disgusting transphobic harpy? Holy fuck you are such a bigoted Nazi chud, I can't even believe this, you might as well go shoot up a synagogue you fucking fascist!"

Retard Right: "You don't live on a diet of raw steak, raw milk and inject ethylene blue and ivermectin into your ballsack every day before you go deadlift? Wow, what a limp-wristed fucking faggot, I bet you voted for Kamala!" [none of them actually lift weights]
Retard Left: "Um yikes sweetie, you drink Nestle hot cocoa? Uh, don't you know Nestle literally genocided countless African children by selling infant formula there? Don't you know they literally think Africans don't deserve water? Heartless chud!"
[bonus round: the Retard Right basically sounds EXACTLY like the Retard Left 'crunchy hippy moms' nowadays with their insistence that everything you consume is poisonous goyslop and that you'll grow tits if you eat a Pop Tart now and then]

Retard Right: "Jesus dude, you consume entertainment rather than practicing Chad esoteric staring at walls or re-reading Evola for the tenth time even though I don't get actually get any of it? Fucking queer, might as well go watch Ru Paul's Drag Race!"
Retard Left: "I can't believe you like watching anything made before 2013, everything from before has such problematic attitudes about PoCs, the LGBTQ+++ community and womyn! Watching Blazing Saddles? You're basically Goebbels! Yikes!"

Retard Right: "You don't spend every waking hour of your day seething about Israel's very existence and praying for a second Holocaust even though the first one didn't actually happen? Fucking gay, dude, why don't you just put on a yarmulke already you kike apologist?"
Retard Left: 'You don't spend every waking hour of your day seething about Israel's very existence and praying [to a God I don't believe in] for the poor, helpless Palestinian children? Bruh look at this photo of little Muhammad with both his arms blown off! Literal genocide apologist bro!"

Retard Right: "You don't think the Earth is flat and that space is fake and gay? NASA is all CGI bro, everything they tried to send up in the 50s hit the firmament and bounced off, bro! I bet you think Sandy Hook actually happened, too and that the 9/11 planes weren't kike holograms, you're just a sheep bro! What about the dancing Israelis??? What about the secret kike child rape tunnels???"
Retard Left: "Umm yikes dude, you don't think 1/6 was a literal coup attempt? You ACTUALLY don't believe Trump is the KGB agent Comrade Krasnov? Dude you just literally have no idea, he's a literal heckin' Russian agent bro! I'll bet you don't even think he sat in the cuck chair while Putin fucked his wife!"

I could continue basically all fucking day, ad infinitum. The older I get, the more evident it becomes that the fringes of each movement are the fucking absolute worst adversaries for their own respective movement. According to them, fucking nobody is allowed to enjoy fucking anything, NO FUN ALLOWED! If you're not constantly ruminating about how hopeless and bleak our modern dystopian hellscape is because the other guys are in charge right now, you're a big gay faggot/heckin' Nazerino chud! If you don't view every single piece of media as a weapon of spiritual warfare, a psy-op or a direct attack on your cherished socioeconomic beliefs, you're an ignorant retard with a room temperature I.Q. Amuse yourself like I do, stare at walls, read Evola/Dawkins [or claim you did when you actually haven't] and fedpost with an anime/ancient Greek statue avatar about how funny it is that Charlie Kirk got waxed or that all ICE agents should be drawn and quartered! But don't you dare engage with any entertainment product even slightly, that makes you a shitlib normie!

It's gotta be fucking tiresome to live one's life that way, honestly. I think if I had to live that way and view the world exclusively through that lens, I would have taken the Cobain way out and shotgun mouthwashed myself a long fucking time ago.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

So much of the online right [the Retard Right] is totally subsumed by the very same virtue signaling, purity spiraling, tone-policing bullshit purveyed and perfected for decades by the Redditoid class and it's really funny to me that none of them fucking notice it.

2016 lives rent free in their minds and they never moved on

 

[capitalBBustard]

lilbro had a total meltdown because he can't refute the fact that Arthur is a safe edgy shitlib caricature

2016 lives rent free in their minds and they never moved on

nigger, stop projecting, you're a perma mentally stunted faggot that acts like it's 2015 and your bothsidesnigger routine hasn't been proven to be complete horseshit by a decade of shitlibs wrecking media while you dilate about people complaining about it

 

[Hermiöne Granger]

When RDR2 is not busy beating you over the head with its dumbfuck commiefornia messaging, it's a fun Wild West experience, but one forever hobbled by a narrative that at no point managed to connect with me.

The dumbfuck commiefornia messaging..

 

[Joshua Cohen Mohnstein]

Reminds me of the guys who act like if you don't live on a diet of boiled potatoes and raw steak, you're a fat, sick libtard who will die of turbo-cancer at 40 because you consoomed the GOYSLOP,

The RDR2 developers:
A.) Portray the game as realistic depiction of America in 1899 only then for its Scottish lib writers to insert mid-2010's historical revisionism about how evil white men and America are while avoiding even touching stuff like minstrel shows which were a major part of American culture up even until the 60's
B.) Not making all the characters who aren't the designated bigots all anachronistically hold the attitudes and beliefs of a modern-day normie as to prevent the audience from getting any thoughts that people who don't hold modern-day progressive beliefs aren't all sociopathic Neo-Confederates and Nazis
C.) Not making a game all about morality featuring a man who's committing mass murder, theft, destruction of property, and has done so for decades, but is then portrayed as sympathetic and worthy of redemption because he helped lady suffragettes and is so wholesome he doesn't even know what a racism is.
D.) Created Sadie Adler, a character who serves no purpose at all other than to be the mandated girlboss who

It's an incredibly slanted game filled with politics that were totally absent from the first game because its European writers had a bone to pick with the US and fascists like George Bush and Cheeto Hitler, who were voted in by dumb hicks who believed America was anything but a bigoted, backwards capitalist hellhole founded by evil slaveowners which is what every Rockstar game starting from IV has been about to varying degrees.

 

[The Last Stand]

It's gotta be fucking tiresome to live one's life that way, honestly. I think if I had to live that way and view the world exclusively through that lens, I would have taken the Cobain way out and shotgun mouthwashed myself a long fucking time ago

I want to go back to RDO, but I do not have the time for it since it has an intensive learning curve.

Retard Right: "You don't live on a diet of raw steak, raw milk and inject ethylene blue and ivermectin into your ballsack every day before you go deadlift? Wow, what a limp-wristed fucking faggot, I bet you voted for Kamala!" [none of them actually lift weights]

Funny you say that, I’m surprised food does not spoil in RDR2.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

nigger, stop projecting, you're a perma mentally stunted faggot that acts like it's 2015 and your bothsidesnigger routine hasn't been proven to be complete horseshit by a decade of shitlibs wrecking media while you dilate about people complaining about it

counterargument

 

[Forgive Me Im Retarded]

Created Sadie Adler, a character who serves no purpose at all

Sadie was in RDR, RDR2 just showed how she was associated with Dutch and John to begin with.

And the writing is definitely lite on the racial tensions of the time, but they do make some references that it exists (I’m sorry you missed out on minstrel shows).

I don’t blame rockstar for playing it safe-edgy, but it does feel hypocritical when they didn’t shy away so much in GTAV, but again, safe-edgy: when hood niggers say it it’s empowering, when cowboys say it it’s an atrocity, apparently.

I really like RDR2, but I agree with the guys above who said that it’s like a western movie more than a game at times, and the gameplay is so clearly split between two styles.

Playing the story is a totally different game and vibe from hunting, and hunting sim is my favourite part of the game.

 

[DeadwastePrime]

Created Sadie Adler, a character who serves no purpose at all

her purpose is to be a foil to arthur who, if you paid attention to the story, is like a reverse arthur morgan in wanting to become more violent after the o'driscolls killed her husband (and she also escalates the plot sometimes for the sake of stakes)

 

[Lurkerish Kandor]

Without politisperging, and instead focusing on the formula: what is the thread's consensus on the general formula towards Red Dead Redemption 2?

I quite enjoy it, it's due for another replay once I'm not playing 50 other fuckin games concurrently. It's one of the few games where I actually enjoy hunting and fishing side activities. I don't care about all the politisperging people are doing, I more care that it's a story with an interesting arc, characters, and it hits on a good range of emotions, all of which RDR2's story does for me.

I'm fine with the linearity in missions - that's how traditional storytelling works. RDR2 isn't Deus Ex, it's not defined by how you can break the story and find alternate paths, it's a Rockstar game. You fuck around in a sandbox doing whatever you want, and then you do some missions which inherently have to restrict you in order to tell a story. Idk why people seemingly expect RDR2 to be a David Cage game. RDR2 hits you with the hammer faster, but the only actual difference as far as I can tell is that RDR2 takes you to a restart checkpoint screen instead of what all the GTA games do, seamlessly dumping you back in the sandbox so you have to return to the start location and replay the entire mission. I will take sneaking into the warehouse 1000 times before that fucking train mission in SA.

There's only 2 things that frustrate me when doing replays:
- It takes fucking forever to progress and unlock things. I like unlocking things sooner rather than later for maximum usefulness. If I want to grind out the world, I have to do it way at the end with a sick Arthur which is downer as fuck.
- Listening to Dutch all over again is fucking annoying. I skip cutscenes involving him because I can't listen to the same 3 lines of dialogue repeated ad nauseum in every scene he's in ("I need time/I have a plan/why dont you believe in me"). It was a tragic slow fall the first time, but in repeat playthroughs his waffling just wastes so much fucking time being repeated over and over.

Like I said though, I need to give it another replay soon. It's been a while and there's few types of fucking around in games I enjoy as much as RDR2's hunting.

 

[Joshua Cohen Mohnstein]

Sadie was in RDR, RDR2 just showed how she was associated with Dutch and John to begin with.

No she's not. She wasn't in the first game unless you're thinking of Bonnie

And the writing is definitely lite on the racial tensions of the time, but they do make some references that it exists (I’m sorry you missed out on minstrel shows).

Light is an understatement. And don't be sorry, I do them all the time.

her purpose is to be a foil to arthur who, if you paid attention to the story, is like a reverse arthur morgan in wanting to become more violent after the o'driscolls killed her husband (and she also escalates the plot sometimes for the sake of stakes)

But she doesn't suffer any consequences at all for her actions. If she was the reverse of Arthur she should've experienced the consequences of her violent and criminal behavior, got hurt or seriously killed. You know, like every other important in character in this entire franchise about punishment and redemption. But she's instead just a cool fucking badass bounty hunter who is Arthur and John's bestest friends forever. She's just shoved into the spotlight an entire chapter after her introduction, given pants, and Arthur spends the rest of the game holding her purse while fawning over how strong and trustworthy she is.

In any other game the character would be roundly mocked for an obvious attempt at girlboss character yet somehow she gets a pass.

 

[Snekposter]

No she's not. She wasn't in the first game unless you're thinking of Bonnie


Light is an understatement. And don't be sorry, I do them all the time.


But she doesn't suffer any consequences at all for her actions. If she was the reverse of Arthur she should've experienced the consequences of her violent and criminal behavior, got hurt or seriously killed. You know, like every other important in character in this entire franchise about punishment and redemption. But she's instead just a cool fucking badass bounty hunter who is Arthur and John's bestest friends forever. She's just shoved into the spotlight an entire chapter after her introduction, given pants, and Arthur spends the rest of the game holding her purse while fawning over how strong and trustworthy she is.

In any other game the character would be roundly mocked for an obvious attempt at girlboss character yet somehow she gets a pass.

Because unlike a girlboss who is magically perfect and excellent at anything and never suffers any real hardships she starts the game off in a basement as a rape toy for the violent murderers who killed her husband.

Oh, and in the process of getting rescued one of her rescuers starts shit with her and her entire house burns down as a result, leaving her with nothing but her nightgown and whatever kindness another group of murderers shows her.

Her consequences are that she's permanently psychologically traumatized and unable to settle down and commit to a non-violent life. To quote Arthur at Beaver Hollow: "You and me, we're more ghosts than people."