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TaimuRadiu said:
Not for more than 100 years.

Since WW2 the Federal Republic has become more Soviet than the Soviets and more capitalist than the USA. What's their secret?
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Industrial grade weaponized Krautism.
If you have ever had to change one of the internal lights of an audi you know what I am talking about.
 
Montalbane said:
Industrial grade weaponized Krautism.
If you have ever had to change one of the internal lights of an audi you know what I am talking about.
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Is this the needing 9001 specialty bits that only one company is licensed to have to service something that folds in on itself specifically so no human hand can service it, or something else? Because all I can think of when you say "weaponized Krautism" is shit like that 9000 ft long beamer timing chain specifically designed to fail at 300,001 miles
 
VIPPER? said:
Is this the needing 9001 specialty bits that only one company is licensed to have to service something that folds in on itself specifically so no human hand can service it, or something else? Because all I can think of when you say "weaponized Krautism" is shit like that 9000 ft long beamer timing chain specifically designed to fail at 300,001 miles
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It was something like a multiple panel system where you need two people to hold it in place as someone else unscrews it to open it and change a very particular light.
It was a pain to do.
And there are a fuckton of less complicated ways to do it.
 
VIPPER? said:
Is this the needing 9001 specialty bits that only one company is licensed to have to service something that folds in on itself specifically so no human hand can service it, or something else? Because all I can think of when you say "weaponized Krautism" is shit like that 9000 ft long beamer timing chain specifically designed to fail at 300,001 miles
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BMW HPFPs fail at 100,001. Timing chain is VAG retardation. Don't buy either unless you like to wrench.
 
Look into the situation in Vancouver Canada. You better hope that never happens in the USA. San Francisco may be close but it's nothing like Vancouver. Money laundering in the spirit of this version of capitalism has allowed an entire city to be bought by the Chinese. Wages at their highest end are no more than 70K yet houses start at more than 1 million. Even the Vancouver mayor can't afford to live in his own city and had to relocate. How fucking retarded is that?
 
Sweetpeaa said:
Look into the situation in Vancouver Canada. You better hope that never happens in the USA. San Francisco may be close but it's nothing like Vancouver. Money laundering in the spirit of this version of capitalism has allowed an entire city to be bought by the Chinese. Wages at their highest end are no more than 70K yet houses start at more than 1 million. Even the Vancouver mayor can't afford to live in his own city and had to relocate. How fucking retarded is that?
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I get asked all the time by Americans as to why I moved to the hellish landscape that is America.

I always point out how insanely cheap housing is. They bring up San Francisco and I say "yes. It's cheaper than what I am used to".
 
The 8 Of Spades said:
What a shit point that is, like there's not millions of other places you could live. Nope, has to be in New York or LA or San Francisco.
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Loads of them move to other cities like Atlanta, which is why Georgia is a swing/purple state now. A lot of the Hollywood set moved there a few years ago. These must be a specific strain of progressives who don't move to cheaper places.
 
Pointless Pedant said:
Loads of them move to other cities like Atlanta, which is why Georgia is a swing/purple state now. A lot of the Hollywood set moved there a few years ago. These must be a specific strain of progressives who don't move to cheaper places.
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A big reason why a lot of film work moved to Georgia was because specific tax cuts and benefits targeting the film and TV industry was put into place.
 
JustStopDude said:
I get asked all the time by Americans as to why I moved to the hellish landscape that is America.

I always point out how insanely cheap housing is. They bring up San Francisco and I say "yes. It's cheaper than what I am used to".
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Oh man, it's bad here. There was a time before when we had almost everything. Jobs were abundant for educated professionals and homes and apartment rentals were pretty much in proportion to income even within our largest cities.

The scariest thing about these times (even before Covid) in Canada is people with their Master's are either not finding jobs or forced to accept low wages. I don't know what is going on here but it's nothing good. Our new upper class are foreign born Chinese billionaires. Even Doctors unless they're a highly specialized one like a brain surgeon (highest income) can't afford to buy a house In Toronto, Vancouver or any of the suburbs. We are going to have the biggest brain drain Canada has ever seen. So many people want to leave.
 
Sweetpeaa said:
Oh man, it's bad here. There was a time before when we had almost everything. Jobs were abundant for educated professionals and homes and apartment rentals were pretty much in proportion to income even within our largest cities.

The scariest thing about these times (even before Covid) in Canada is people with their Master's are either not finding jobs or forced to accept low wages. I don't know what is going on here but it's nothing good. Our new upper class are foreign born Chinese billionaires. Even Doctors unless they're a highly specialized one like a brain surgeon (highest income) can't afford to buy a house In Toronto, Vancouver or any of the suburbs. We are going to have the biggest brain drain Canada has ever seen. So many people want to leave.
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I always bring up housing costs between two cities I have lived in, Detroit and Hamilton, Ontario. Both have large steel mills, hence why I had to live there. The similarities are stark. Heavy pollution, lost of jobs due to de-industrialization, poor housing stock, high crime, poor schools, shitty football teams, etc.

But the sole difference is that a crack shack in Detroit will run you about $5k but in Hamilton, it's around $450k. And the reason is that so many people need to get into the Toronto metro area, they are willing to sit in traffic for three hours one way or else they lose their jobs.

It's so bad up north compared to the US. I got offered a really good job in Hamilton and I turned it down because I still couldn't afford to live there even if I wanted to.
 
JustStopDude said:
I always bring up housing costs between two cities I have lived in, Detroit and Hamilton, Ontario. Both have large steel mills, hence why I had to live there. The similarities are stark. Heavy pollution, lost of jobs due to de-industrialization, poor housing stock, high crime, poor schools, shitty football teams, etc.

But the sole difference is that a crack shack in Detroit will run you about $5k but in Hamilton, it's around $450k. And the reason is that so many people need to get into the Toronto metro area, they are willing to sit in traffic for three hours one way or else they lose their jobs.

It's so bad up north compared to the US. I got offered a really good job in Hamilton and I turned it down because I still couldn't afford to live there even if I wanted to.
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The 'not quite wealthy, but slightly above middle class' types are buying homes in Hamilton and then driving to Toronto every morning to commute. There are homes going for just under a million in Hamilton now, not the little crap houses but very basic suburban homes that would have gone for less than 300k even in 2011

look at this shit

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Sweetpeaa said:
The 'not quite wealthy, but slightly above middle class' types are buying homes in Hamilton and then driving to Toronto every morning to commute. There are homes going for just under a million in Hamilton now, not the little crap houses but very basic suburban homes that would have gone for less than 300k even in 2011

look at this shit

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Yeah I totally can't see a massive and messy real estate collapse happening, no worries.
 
Syaoran Li said:
Capitalism is actually pretty good.

Corporatism and capitalism are not the same thing.



I'm an actual centrist* (no fedora though) and even I have to agree with you on that one.

The problem with my generation is that so many of us don't know the difference between actual capitalism and the crony corporatism displayed by Wall Street and Silicon Valley.

Oligopoly and monopoly tend to run antithetical to the ideas of competitive enterprise that capitalism was built on.

The media often conflated the two during the Great Recession and it's continued since then.

We see a similar thing where so many Millennials think that socialism just means Euro-style social programs (AKA Social Democracy) with some free market luxuries, and not an entirely state-controlled economy.

Combine those two misconceptions and no wonder those BreadTube douchebags became a thing.

*-Even then, I mainly refer to myself as a centrist in a semi-joking manner.

Ten years ago, I considered myself a liberal and I still am, but the Overton Window has shifted drastically and now the Left has gone batshit crazy. What was liberal just five or ten years ago is centrist today.
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What would you say the differences are? I ask because in my experience often when people say "corporatism," they want to protect capitalism. For example, oligopoly and monopoly aren't uncommon in capitalism, and when they happen the system doesn't stop being capitalist. This can be seen because there are multiple different branches of capitalist thought (Ordo-liberalism, neo-liberalism, neo-conservatism, Toryism, etc.) all with different frequencies of monopoly and oligopoly. (Some value the free market, as no government interference while some values having better competition, some value trade more.) However. in all capitalist states monopoly and oligopoly is a logical dream for big business. (Less competition, and higher profits) Like they are bad but they are capitalist.

I just don't think you can claim that one of the clear and most obvious endpoints of capitalism is just something else but capitalism.
 
NormieCasual said:
What would you say the differences are? I ask because in my experience often when people say "corporatism," they want to protect capitalism. For example, oligopoly and monopoly aren't uncommon in capitalism, and when they happen the system doesn't stop being capitalist. This can be seen because there are multiple different branches of capitalist thought (Ordo-liberalism, neo-liberalism, neo-conservatism, Toryism, etc.) all with different frequencies of monopoly and oligopoly. (Some value the free market, as no government interference while some values having better competition, some value trade more.) However. in all capitalist states monopoly and oligopoly is a logical dream for big business. (Less competition, and higher profits) Like they are bad but they are capitalist.

I just don't think you can claim that one of the clear and most obvious endpoints of capitalism is just something else but capitalism.
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Obvious Marxist is obvious.

The difference between corporatism and capitalism is that corporatism is a weird mix of lolbertarian free market stupidity (excessive de-regulation) and corporate oligarchy that is propped up by a sort of reverse socialism (AKA bailouts for corporations and corporate welfare) while capitalism is any system with a basic free market economy.

Only Marxism and its bastard children (Maoism, Leninism, AnComs, etc.) believe that capitalism's explicitly got an end goal of monopoly or oligopoly. There is no "end goal" because the real world doesn't operate on Whig History and dialectical materialist bullshit.

History is not a movie or a book where there is a defined ending nor is it a game where there is a specific "end goal" and only the far-left ideologies have the mindset of a "end goal" in the grand scheme of things (AKA the "classless stateless society" pipe dream)

That said, I think corporatism needs to be crushed and the lolberts can go fuck themselves. I also think capitalism is still far better than Marxism, Maoism, or Anarchism of any kind.
 
Syaoran Li said:
Obvious Marxist is obvious.

The difference between corporatism and capitalism is that corporatism is a weird mix of lolbertarian free market stupidity (excessive de-regulation) and corporate oligarchy that is propped up by a sort of reverse socialism (AKA bailouts for corporations and corporate welfare) while capitalism is any system with a basic free market economy.

Only Marxism and its bastard children (Maoism, Leninism, AnComs, etc.) believe that capitalism's explicitly got an end goal of monopoly or oligopoly. There is no "end goal" because the real world doesn't operate on Whig History and dialectical materialist bullshit.

History is not a movie or a book where there is a defined ending nor is it a game where there is a specific "end goal" and only the far-left ideologies have the mindset of a "end goal" in the grand scheme of things (AKA the "classless stateless society" pipe dream)

That said, I think corporatism needs to be crushed and the lolberts can go fuck themselves. I also think capitalism is still far better than Marxism, Maoism, or Anarchism of any kind.
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Never said it was an end goal but a clear and obvious endpoint with capitalisms own logic. Yes, there are a lot of future possibilities but if you spend single second thinking of possible capitalist futures and you don't consider the creation of monopolies and oligopolies you're a retard. Not to throw that card, but how monopolies and oligopolies both the creation and function within capitalism are economics 101. So is why economist doesn't like it, but I have had economics teachers who defend some monopolies. Like natural monopolies is a thing even within capitalism and it's arguable whether where they are good or not.

Plus, from what you write it seems that corporatism is just another form of capitalism, frankly sounds a lot like neo-liberalism or neo-conservatism. It's fine if you support a different type, most do. Like personally I really like the ordo-liberal branch. (Focus on completion, personal responsibility, trade, general stability, while stilling having a clear safety net) We just don't talk about corporatism where I am in Europe and never really encountered it unless it's from people who have a really simplistic view of economics.

To finish, not a Marxist just someone who is tired of the word tossing whenever someone finds out their system isn't perfect. (Marxist are worse at it, but I've taken the true centrist position that way too many people on all sides does) Anyways, capitalism has proven itself be a more stable system, a more effective in allocating resources, and it in general can provide more wealth. Still got criticisms like a sane human but it doesn't take away from the fact that there is more than one type of capitalism, like how there are many types of democracies.

Also, to some degree, it's important to keep some business afloat with "reverse socialism". The proof is the great depression: they didn't save the banks which basically made the entire economy sink.
 
I'm mainly opposed to corporatism/neoliberalism as well as Marxism and I do believe the government should do what they can to prevent monopolies and oligopolies
 
no matter what economic system you pick it will always gradually slide to the extreme ends
 
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