r/Antinatalism - "Fertility...le BAD!" AKA Redditors having a rare moment of not lusting after children, and somehow still being fucking awful in the process.

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There's an American birth rate chart. You can clearly see the demography decrease long before the internet. So it has to be something else.
I never claimed either the internet or condoms were at the root of the problem. In fact, I seriously doubt it.

I also doubt it's women in the workforce. Most women in the past worked while also caring for children, and most women in countries with high birth rates work, since they don't have a choice. There was a very brief window of time in US history where most middle and lower class women were stay-at-home moms, but that was a historical anomaly.
 
If your husband had a stable job you should be able to maybe let the wife stay home
But here's the thing: the fact that children were raised exclusively by parents is kind of a myth. If we talk about peasants, both parents used to work their asses off in the fields, while children were raised by the elderly and their older siblings. If we talk about nobility, the kids were raised by their wet nurses (a lot of the time noble women didn't even breastfeed their babies; moreover, a lot of women used to die in labour) and servants and, again, their older siblings. Or, again, in case of noble kids, they were sent to some kind of educational institution for pretty much the rest of their childhood.

So, as proven by the past, both parents being closely present isn't the essential part of a demographical raise. Both women and men used to work in the past and it wasn't a dealbreaker. It has to be something else.

An aspiration to raise your child as close to family members as possible is wholesome and understandable though. I wish you the best of luck.:semperfi:
 
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USA is eventually reach the same level of birth rates as east asia. why? it's just a shit environment to raise a child right now. no point in having a kid if many adults in society are struggling to care for themself at the moment. also lack of support for mothers in general . this shit is what landed asia in that position . this attitude is so dangerous to society. imo if u want a kid that is your choice but seeing redditors seethe and lament at children is disturbing to me

seeing american society have such vitriol towards children is so bizarre to me. taking away third spaces for kids, being hateful towards children for acting like children. crying, laughing, playing, running around , etc (not talking about when children are being legitimately disruptive or in dangerous situation) parks where children are meant to play are now full of drug addicted homeless . same with libraries . i personally would not want to raise a kid there . not to mention america boomer mentality towards children. idk . the hatred for children that i see in the west is so bizarre to me . this attitude seems amplified in the subreddit. feel free to correct if im wrong
 
USA is eventually reach the same level of birth rates as east asia. why? it's just a shit environment to raise a child right now. no point in having a kid if many adults in society are struggling to care for themself at the moment. also lack of support for mothers in general . this shit is what landed asia in that position . this attitude is so dangerous to society. imo if u want a kid that is your choice but seeing redditors seethe and lament at children is disturbing to me

seeing american society have such vitriol towards children is so bizarre to me. taking away third spaces for kids, being hateful towards children for acting like children. crying, laughing, playing, running around , etc (not talking about when children are being legitimately disruptive or in dangerous situation) parks where children are meant to play are now full of drug addicted homeless . same with libraries . i personally would not want to raise a kid there . not to mention america boomer mentality towards children. idk . the hatred for children that i see in the west is so bizarre to me . this attitude seems amplified in the subreddit. feel free to correct if im wrong
I agree that society is unsupportive of mothers and children in the modern day, but I don't think that there are a ton of people who deeply want a family but are deciding not to have one because they're worried about their kids being mistreated by people who call children "crotch fruit." I think the two things are linked, but it's mainly that there are a ton of NPCs who just parrot whatever the popular opinion is. If they grew up in a time when having kids was praised, they would have a ton of kids. But because they grow up surrounded by people who disparage women who choose to become mothers, compare parenthood to slavery and kids to dogs, and claim that not having kids makes you unique and special, they mindlessly choose the "childfree" path instead.

The other day, I sat across from a couple of art students on public transport, who were having a very loud discussion about the lack of vegan options in their college's cafeteria, clearly wanting to be overheard. One of them had bangs, brown lipstick, and an ita-bag covered in South Park and Miku pins. When I got home, I was reading the news and happened across an article that featured a photo of the art student with the ita-bag. She'd given a street interview that same week about how she's not having kids because the world is such an awful place and she wouldn't make a good mom. Young people think they're choosing these things for themselves, but in reality they're being led around by the nose by the Current Thing, and right now the Current Thing is being vegan and childfree and pro-Palestine and whatever else.
 
There has been a bit of movement in the antinatalist/aponist/elifist circles.

Efilism was under deplatforming by aponists.
In practice this meant banning, which started a shit-flinging contest.
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In retaliation, an Efilist nuked the Aponist discord.
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The father of the Aponist philosophy is a person called Nume.
While Nume is clearly a cuck-radicalist, he at least attempted to create his own thing.
However, he made the mistake of trusting trannies.
After the nuke, the tranny mods took the opportunity to mold the group to their own image.
  • Nume has been kicked out.
  • aponism.org redirected to the article "FBI links California fertility clinic bombing to anti-natalist ideology" for a while, then went dark.
  • Pacifism was disowned (because shooting le evil nazi in the neck is hecking basederino).
  • The manifesto was thrown out.
  • The name and flag were dropped.
  • "Anarchism" is being implemented. (As Nume trying to form a community around his retardation was tyranny.)
Currently the group lacks any and all defining characteristics.
But. if I had to describe the situation with familiar terms, I would say "buddhism turned to wokism".
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What has yet to change is just how rational these people are.
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What are the chances that a good chunk of these fags are Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Pakistani, Venezuelan or propagandists and shitposters on the payroll of various anti-West countries pretending to be Western people to get back at the West? "My fellow Americans, a family of Sudanese who had to flee fighting in El-Fasher got blown up by a mortar shell, this is clearly why we should stop breeding and/or collectively commit suicide."
Less people in the Western world have babies/More people in the West commit suicide - less potential soldiers and resistance fighters Eurasian Axis has to deal with in WWIII.
 
What are the chances that a good chunk of these fags are Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Pakistani, Venezuelan or propagandists and shitposters on the payroll of various anti-West countries pretending to be Western people to get back at the West? "My fellow Americans, a family of Sudanese who had to flee fighting in El-Fasher got blown up by a mortar shell, this is clearly why we should stop breeding and/or collectively commit suicide."
Less people in the Western world have babies/More people in the West commit suicide - less potential soldiers and resistance fighters Eurasian Axis has to deal with in WWIII.
That would imply that they think,
that only if they were to leave the trannies, the vegans, the soyboys, the reddit atheists and the BPD women alone, they all would be pumping out aryan übermench at a record pace.
Which is comparable to the claim that your average lolcow could integrate into society if not for the trolls (/ CIA gangstalking).
No agency is that deluded.
 
That would imply that they think,
that only if they were to leave the trannies, the vegans, the soyboys, the reddit atheists and the BPD women alone, they all would be pumping out aryan übermench at a record pace.
The psyop was might be less about getting undesirables like that to stop reproducing (well, except for the BPD women. IIRC there was a study that said BPDemons reproduced more than normal people in the past because of their hyper sexuality) and more about creating a fifth column. A society with militant nihilists running around is gonna have some problems. Even if the nihilists are a minority.
 
The Aponist discord group disappeared. Maybe it was deleted, maybe I just got booted for lurking.
The Efilist discord group called "Great Harvest" rebranded as "Total Liberation" and introduced a vetting process. (One I'm not going to bother with.)

I found out that there was (a since deplatformed) Efilist wiki.
It has to be one of the angriest wikipedia articles ever written. Here are the interesting parts:
To evaluate Efilism as "genocidal" or "suicidal" is a fallacy and falsehood. Homicide and theriocide is also wrong. Any outlawed act is also wrong.
EFILism [...] is secular atheism, but also against DNA dogma. It's enhanced Antinatalism and realizing God is dead of course. Yet even atheists are still dancing with his corpse
Nature is more sadistic than every slaughterhouse, mass murderer, animal holocauster, serial rapist, factory farm, concentration camp, psychotic dictator & torturer in history combined, by a margin of "trillions of trillions", and it's been happening for 100s of millions of years, on a global scale without 1 day even 1 minute of pause in the action.
Understanding you are a mutant of biochemistry, that is on a road to nowhere, just following the scripts of DNA code woven together by pure chaotic happenstance of physics is where the secular truth of life has been sitting since year 1859. Anything else beyond that is a mere wishful idealization, a poisonous remnant of failed culture.
harm is being caused for zero sane purpose. You've probably seen people acknowledge life has no purpose, but The DNA Delusion creeps back in like a virus, "Life has no purpose... so you make up your own." That means senseless torture is being caused for made-up purpose.
Most people do struggle firmware-flashing this truth to their brains. This is because our collective species is still hungover from centuries of dogmatic fairytales and lies, which were spread and labelled onto what we ultimately exposed as a happenstance mutant molecule and carnage machine.
The positive experience of life can neither rationally, irrationally, objectively, subjectively, empirically or logically compute as a rationale for life's existence.
Positives are a fragile temporary perception that you can never hold on to; negatives are the hard reality that can/will smash and destroy positives permanently.
Every positive is made of fixing a negative.
Only in the past 600 million years did multi-cellular life finally occur. That means It took over 3500 million years to reach multi-cellar life. So if even sensate & sentient life were eradicated, DNA would not have enough time to convert Earth back into a global torture chamber and slaughterhouse. Because in essence, life itself is already past its half-life, here is what the time-frame for life's fate looks like:
1100 million years from now: The Sun's luminosity has risen by 10%, causing Earth's surface temperatures to reach an average of 47 °C; 116 °F. The atmosphere will become a "moist greenhouse", resulting in a runaway evaporation of the oceans
So using any form of positive experience as a defense for continuing life is a categorical failure on every conceivable metric - not 100% fail, not 200%, but 500% failure. Negatives outdo positives by a 500% total-and-sufficient metric

The Inventor of Efilism

One philosopher (who is under the aliases of Inmendham and DoNotGod and DraftScience) has coined this philosophy and defended it with 17+ years and 6000+ videos worth of arguments and explanations.

The writer has "Security Philosophy 101" references within parentheses. First I thought he might be a scriptkiddie quoting some book, but no, I appears he is just making shit up.

It links to yet another discord. (Slightly interesting at best.)

It links to a surprisingly long list of Antinatalist youtubers.
 
What are the chances that a good chunk of these fags are Russian, Chinese, Iranian, Pakistani, Venezuelan or propagandists and shitposters on the payroll of various anti-West countries pretending to be Western people to get back at the West? "My fellow Americans, a family of Sudanese who had to flee fighting in El-Fasher got blown up by a mortar shell, this is clearly why we should stop breeding and/or collectively commit suicide."
Less people in the Western world have babies/More people in the West commit suicide - less potential soldiers and resistance fighters Eurasian Axis has to deal with in WWIII.
Zero because those same countries have horrible birthrates too. China and Russia are specially atrocious. This is the result of a hedonistic society that can't even tolerate a little bit of suffering and their only response to problems is to run away or not deal with them.
 
Is there any reason why not one of these people have considered adoption or charity? Obvious jokes about redditors aside; if they truly think that there is so much inherent suffering in this world, how has not one antinatalist considered adopting an African kid in poverty or supporting charity to help minimise said suffering? My guess is that “suffering” is just a rhetorical device meant to shield from the obvious fact that they’re trying to project their own personal experiences as dogmatic ideology.
 
Is there any reason why not one of these people have considered adoption or charity? Obvious jokes about redditors aside; if they truly think that there is so much inherent suffering in this world, how has not one antinatalist considered adopting an African kid in poverty or supporting charity to help minimise said suffering? My guess is that “suffering” is just a rhetorical device meant to shield from the obvious fact that they’re trying to project their own personal experiences as dogmatic ideology.
To put it simply the whole ideology comes off as an adult temper tantrum
 
Is there any reason why not one of these people have considered adoption or charity? Obvious jokes about redditors aside; if they truly think that there is so much inherent suffering in this world, how has not one antinatalist considered adopting an African kid in poverty or supporting charity to help minimise said suffering? My guess is that “suffering” is just a rhetorical device meant to shield from the obvious fact that they’re trying to project their own personal experiences as dogmatic ideology.
Because it's an excuse to continue to be lazy and hedonistic. They can't tolerate not having instant gratification. For them suffering is being bored or that they have to spent some time doing something they don't enjoy. For them children are annoying because they are demanding and require some degree of sacrifice to educate them, they don't exist for them and their selfish whims. They aren't capable of investing time is anything other than themselves. It is literal Slanesh cultist behavior . They know that this way of thinking is making them miserable and they try to make everyone else as miserable and unhappy as them so they don't feel bad about It(like troons or fags). I never heard anyone that I know say that having children has make them miserable in fact my mother was an unexpected child and my grandparents love her and have never regretted having her.
 
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They aren't capable of investing time is anything other than themselves.
Most of them don't even do this. You'd think without the major time sink of having kids they'd do something productive or edifying with their time, but most of them just play vidya and goon. I think the peak a person trapped in this mindset can achieve is a poorly argued video essay about whatever gay social issue irks them that week.
 
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