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I agree with this. Some large families will prevent one of the children from having a life so they will take care of the parents etc. Basically forced into servitude to the family and when of no further use discarded. I hope she is able to escape this fate.
Like the stay-at-home daughter movement...
 
Like the stay-at-home daughter movement...

There are quite a few professional stay-at-home-daughters out there. Sarah Maxwell was a very sad case because she clearly desperately wants a family (and probably more than her one allocated animal cracker) but was very active in being one. The Botkins girls did very well on the circuit for a long time. The Girl Defined sisters were also riding that wave until Bethany got married. Jana Duggar is a more visible one.

The good thing about Sarah is her and her sisters moving out of the house means they're no longer under Steve's thumb. A lot of the stay-at-home girls do wind up getting out but many don't.
 
I had to watch some supposed award winning movie in Spanish class in college, oldest daughter was forced basically to remain unmarried so that she could take care of the aging parents, so the younger daughter was the only one that could marry, but of course older daughter fell for a boy so the boy married the younger sister instead to still be close to each other? I didn't like it but had to write a cultural paper. I'm not actually sure this is a huge cultural thing about the oldest daughter but sure does seem to ring true for Jana

I know Mexico (and south America) has conservative Mormons and Anabaptists so the storyline didn't surprise me at all really, mexico isn't exactly liberal unless you're maybe in bigger tourist cities...
The movie, Like Water for Chocolate, was set in the early 1900s, around the time of the Mexican Revolution. It had nothing to do with religion or modern Mexican culture. It was a wealthy family's tradition and the story was about traditional/cultural gender inequity and the daughter (it was the youngest, not eldest) chafing against traditions. The real issue was the mother's misery and she either wanted to make sure she never was alone (husband died before or soon after the youngest was born) or because of some issue regarding unrealized dreams of her own (had an affair and still in love with another man). The older daughter also passed this tradition on to her youngest daughter, and also was miserable due to tragedy and the fact that her husband was in love with her younger sister and only married her to stay close to her sister.

There are more parallels between this movie and Margo Palermo's relationship with Venus, or what she would have wanted/expected of Venus, than the Quiverful culture. Of course the family tradition in the movie and the duggar's approach to Jana's situation (or other quiverful stay-at-home daughters or whatever they're called) are both based in selfishness, the selfishness is coming from a different place. I don't think JB/Meech think they'll end up being old and all alone, they merely don't want to raise their children or do basic chores, they're not using their relationship with Jana as some kind of emotional crutch. They probably hardly know who she is as a person.

TL;DR Like Water for Chocolate is a really good movie but it's about forcing the youngest daughter into a life of emotional codependency under the cover of caring-for-elder responsibility. Jana is flat out a slave and Duggerella because the J-makers are lazy assholes, not emotionally needy or jaded by life.
 
Well I take whatever Katie joy says w a grain of salt,

JimBoob is always moving around real estate and assets within his kids, so this doesn't sound untrue, but like typical Katie joy, it sounds completely made up otherwise

Duggar brothers are allegedly concerned about shared assets.
In a new report from Katie Joy of Without a Crystal Ball, she reveals Josh and his brothers’ financial situation. According to the sources she’s spoken with, several of Josh’s brothers have businesses that are connected to him. She located a total of 44 LLCs in the Duggar family’s name, though some have been dissolved.
She reports, “Jeremiah, Jed, Joseph, Jason, and Josiah all own companies that have intermingled and shared business with Josh Duggar.”
“Josh is facing HUGE fines. The reason some of the boys are silent is because of those fines. All of their businesses are connected. My source alleges that a few weeks before the trial the younger boys were speaking loudly about moving money around to hide it from the Feds in the event that Josh is found guilty. Several of the boys have huge bank accounts. My source alleges that the boys are worried that their assets could be stripped as a part of Josh’s sentence.”
 
Well I take whatever Katie joy says w a grain of salt,

JimBoob is always moving around real estate and assets within his kids, so this doesn't sound untrue, but like typical Katie joy, it sounds completely made up otherwise

Duggar brothers are allegedly concerned about shared assets.
In a new report from Katie Joy of Without a Crystal Ball, she reveals Josh and his brothers’ financial situation. According to the sources she’s spoken with, several of Josh’s brothers have businesses that are connected to him. She located a total of 44 LLCs in the Duggar family’s name, though some have been dissolved.
She reports, “Jeremiah, Jed, Joseph, Jason, and Josiah all own companies that have intermingled and shared business with Josh Duggar.”
“Josh is facing HUGE fines. The reason some of the boys are silent is because of those fines. All of their businesses are connected. My source alleges that a few weeks before the trial the younger boys were speaking loudly about moving money around to hide it from the Feds in the event that Josh is found guilty. Several of the boys have huge bank accounts. My source alleges that the boys are worried that their assets could be stripped as a part of Josh’s sentence.”
Hmm. Doubt.

JB is a savvy, sneaky, fucker. He's great at hiding money. There is no way he didn't prepare for Josh losing the trial financially. In fact, as of a year ago, many more properties were under ANNA'S name that Josh's.

Katie Joy is a twat. Here's the list of LLCs from reddit, along with their owners names.
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Sorry couldn't resist
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Hmm. Doubt.

JB is a savvy, sneaky, fucker. He's great at hiding money. There is no way he didn't prepare for Josh losing the trial financially. In fact, as of a year ago, many more properties were under ANNA'S name that Josh's.

Katie Joy is a twat. Here's the list of LLCs from reddit, along with their owners names.
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E: so what's the scoop on this RV park? Is it like a camping resort for RVs? Who owns it now? How come I haven't heard of a Duggar owned RV park?

Thanks fren. I've done some research to try and find lists like these, so much Duggar llc stuff gets hard to dig up. Granted I'm not an Arkie so my googlefu may not be great on this.

Do u have any other places u can find lists like these? I'm trying to find Duggar llc anything & everything from 2021 and it's not going well lol . It is my understanding that real estate transfers are like cleverly hidden/hard to dig up in Arkieland?
 
Sorry couldn't resist
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E: so what's the scoop on this RV park? Is it like a camping resort for RVs? Who owns it now? How come I haven't heard of a Duggar owned RV park?

Thanks fren. I've done some research to try and find lists like these, so much Duggar llc stuff gets hard to dig up. Granted I'm not an Arkie so my googlefu may not be great on this.

Do u have any other places u can find lists like these? I'm trying to find Duggar llc anything & everything from 2021 and it's not going well lol . It is my understanding that real estate transfers are like cleverly hidden/hard to dig up in Arkieland?
The RV resort isn't developed yet. It was only approved for permits in 2018 and construction was pending some more access and infrastructure. Seems like jB and michelle bought the business from the original developer. https://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2018/oct/09/fayetteville-planning-commission-signs-/
Here's more info on the business registration: https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ar/811182131
And here you can find all the officially registered businesses to a duggar in AR https://opencorporates.com/officers/us_ar?q=duggar&utf8=✓
 
So a Christian Fundie group called "12 tribes" is apparently responsible for the Boulder/Colorado fires, never heard of them but figured I'd leave this here
A shed on fire? Wonder if it started as an electrical fire or something, especially if Rodrigues-tier construction knowledge is common amongst fundies.
 
I just thought of this cool adventure where it's like The Guild but it BP kiwis meetup camping at the Duggar RV park. Omg, my filthy mouth would get me kicked out!

JimBoob threw a big Nye party at the Duggar compound like always. I laughed at some fat bearded guy in one picture. There's also 2 men apparently preaching but I assume it's other elders in Kingdom Duggar homechurch.

On the fires, Fundies aren't exactly known for following proper building codes, the DNR and their stupid fire rules, they go against God! Probably just being persecuted for their faith of course
 
So a Christian Fundie group called "12 tribes" is apparently responsible for the Boulder/Colorado fires, never heard of them but figured I'd leave this here
they're not quiverfull, or even fundamentalist baptist.

This is OT, but:
The twelve tribes is a strange group who follow to some degree, messianic judiasm (christianity with a jew larp), christian fundamentalism, christian "otherness".

They are an intentional community, or a commune, and have various communities through out the US and world. It's very culty and their leader sets rules for howthe communities are run, how the women dress, basically everything.

I ran into them in Asheville, NC over a long weekend, they were doing some kind of revival-esque thing downtown. many of their tribes met and toured for this.

Overall, if you met them, you'd think "pompous, religious flavored hippies and deadheads, straight from the summer of love." As it is a cult, many members are, as you'd expect, former lost souls, recovering addicts with no support system, former homeless people who were absorbed by the group as it met their needs.in addition to these travelling tour bus road show revivals, they also bring their buses to dead concerts (in the past) and jam band/dead audience adjacent concerts. This is one the ways they get community members. People willing to hop on the bus and be all in.

One funny thing is they have some cartoon tracts like chick tracts, if only david rodrigues got one of those and not the real chick tract.
If you're really interested, you can wait till covid is over, and stay with them for free.They invite everyone/anyone do to this, and see what they are about. it sounds fascinating but I gave it a pass, I was afraid it would end up like hotel california.
 
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One funny thing is they have some cartoon tracts like chick tracts, if only david rodrigues got one of those and not the real chick tract.
If you're really interested, you can wait till covid is over, and stay with them for free.They invite everyone/anyone do to this, and see what they are about. it sounds fascinating but I gave it a pass, I was afraid it would end up like hotel california.
That insane cunt Melinda Leigh Scott was thrown out of them, wasn't she? Her crazy ex who fathered one of her tard babies was in it, and she sued them for child support. Why not him, I have no idea.
 
That insane cunt Melinda Leigh Scott was thrown out of them, wasn't she? Her crazy ex who fathered one of her tard babies was in it, and she sued them for child support. Why not him, I have no idea.
Members own nothing. Everything they have is consecrated to the group, and they work to support the twelve tribes either on the commune, or at their coffee shops, printing presses, etc. They don't work outside the group. And they don't get paid for work.

That sounds like an interesting case, i'm going to look it up. You'd think cult logic dictates that he'd be thrown out before the cult had to pay out a cent for his non-cult-living kids.
 
Members own nothing. Everything they have is consecrated to the group, and they work to support the twelve tribes either on the commune, or at their coffee shops, printing presses, etc. They don't work outside the group. And they don't get paid for work.

That sounds like an interesting case, i'm going to look it up. You'd think cult logic dictates that he'd be thrown out before the cult had to pay out a cent for his non-cult-living kids.
Here's the case: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/7892927/scott-v-twelve-tribes/
And here's her thread here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/melinda-leigh-scott-marshall-castersen.32118/
And there are a bunch of threads in Lolcow & Lolcow LLC for her lawsuits against this site.
 
they're not quiverfull, or even fundamentalist baptist.

This is OT, but:
The twelve tribes is a strange group who follow to some degree, messianic judiasm (christianity with a jew larp), christian fundamentalism, christian "otherness".

They are an intentional community, or a commune, and have various communities through out the US and world. It's very culty and their leader sets rules for howthe communities are run, how the women dress, basically everything.

I ran into them in Asheville, NC over a long weekend, they were doing some kind of revival-esque thing downtown. many of their tribes met and toured for this.

Overall, if you met them, you'd think "pompous, religious flavored hippies and deadheads, straight from the summer of love." As it is a cult, many members are, as you'd expect, former lost souls, recovering addicts with no support system, former homeless people who were absorbed by the group as it met their needs.in addition to these travelling tour bus road show revivals, they also bring their buses to dead concerts (in the past) and jam band/dead audience adjacent concerts. This is one the ways they get community members. People willing to hop on the bus and be all in.

One funny thing is they have some cartoon tracts like chick tracts, if only david rodrigues got one of those and not the real chick tract.
If you're really interested, you can wait till covid is over, and stay with them for free.They invite everyone/anyone do to this, and see what they are about. it sounds fascinating but I gave it a pass, I was afraid it would end up like hotel california.
I feel like they still count for this thread just by being a weird Christian fundamentalist cult. Damn, yeah, definitely sounds like a group that probably doesnt have a whole lot of proper construction knowledge and sparked a fire unintentionally via shed wiring.

How do their views on women compare to IBLP? I assume if they're Christian fundamentalists they similarly want them barefoot and pregnant
 
I feel like they still count for this thread just by being a weird Christian fundamentalist cult. Damn, yeah, definitely sounds like a group that probably doesnt have a whole lot of proper construction knowledge and sparked a fire unintentionally via shed wiring.

How do their views on women compare to IBLP? I assume if they're Christian fundamentalists they similarly want them barefoot and pregnant
A lot of these groups end up basically just different flavors of one another regardless of where they start.

The Twelve Tribes has a lot of the same fucked up courtship and betrothal practices of IBLP, but they don't even have "courting", they have a "period of waiting" where they have to have their romantic or sexual interest in another person approved by their local council. You're allowed to hold hands after you are betrothed (by your parents, of course) and that's it. Their child rearing is also similar - all homeschool, physical abuse is encouraged, boys are prioritized, and higher education is just the devil's indoctrination. And since they are much smaller than the IFB, they can't create their own string of unaccredited indoctrination camps Bible Colleges to replace the sinister Satanic practice of critical thinking. Members have gotten busted for child labor, abuse, the whole thing. They're more outwardly anti-Semitic than the IFB, I know that. The IFB pretend not to blame Jews for the death of Christ (sometimes) and instead just wait eagerly for Jews to build them a setting for Armageddon (Israel, hence why so many Fundies are obsessed with Israel) then either convert or be cast into Satan's fiery pit. Whereas the Twelve Tribes just straight up say Jews are cursed, evil wretches who killed Jesus and are not real Jews, etc. They're also just a lot more explicitly racist overall and thought slavery was just dandy.

One of the reasons we hear so much about Fundies fucking up things like permits, safety regulations, etc, is a combination of labor exploitation and anti-government sentiment. Any sort of "interference" from the government, including OSHA and child services, is evil. So they ignore and/or actively flout that shit. On top of that, they rely a lot on the unpaid (and usually poorly trained) labor of kids and young adults. You'll find a looot of Fundie men who work in construction/carpentry/real estate because it gives them more control of their "domains" and they were taught a lot of "manly" tasks by their dads (poorly). They're usually taught the same exact things as their boomer dads, who became construction workers in the 60's-80's and openly disdain any new rules or developments whatsoever. If they are lucky, they pick up a few new skills when on missions from the locals, but almost across the board, their "qualifications" are woefully out of date.
Also real estate and construction are great ways to hide any assets you have.

So what you get is a lot of shoddy work by people who see safety manuals as toilet paper.

The Duggars' big house was partially built by friends providing a lot of the labor. Justin from I Pray You Put This Journal Away said he worked on it and mentioned that he probably did more harm than good.

Austin Forsyth, Joy-Anna Duggar's husband, has a construction/repair/house flipping business and has been sued for things like improperly installed septic tanks. And I think a few of the middle Duggar boys have also gotten into trouble with their own property ventures.

It's also how we get a lot of the Rodrigues misadventures, including the Baby cages, the "renovating" of their West Virginia home, and Jillpm insisting on remodeling Nurie's kitchen. It's also why there are often issues with their properties and you get things like easily avoidable fires that kill tons of people and property. - which of course are the devils' fault.

Fundies overall seem to really exalt and fetishize making stuff - which is normally great and refreshing given how consumerist everything is these days. Everyone should know how to work with tools and make things. The problem is that most of the time they don't know what they're doing, refuse to learn, and fuck everything up. And once they do, no need for self-reflection, just blame it on Satan.
 
So a Christian Fundie group called "12 tribes" is apparently responsible for the Boulder/Colorado fires, never heard of them but figured I'd leave this here
Those fuckers are childbeaters. They were caught on (hidden) camera in Germany.

Within the space of a few hours, six adults are filmed in the cellar and in an underground school central heating room beating six children with a total of 83 strokes of the cane. The graphic and disturbing scenes were shown on Germany’s RTL television channel last night.

They were filmed by Wolfram Kuhnigk, an RTL journalist equipped with hidden video cameras and microphones, who infiltrated a 100-strong religious community run by the fundamentalist “Twelve Tribes” sect in Bavaria earlier this year. Kuhnigk claimed to be a lost soul to gain entry. “Seeing this systematic beatings made me want to weep, it made me think of my own two children,” he said. He collected 50 beating scenes on camera.

Can't find the old news-videos, but this was major news, it might have to do with the "right to be forgotten"-law. One pic remains:

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https://archive.ph/QDobP (still archiving atm)


Similar to the Pearl-manual they claim:
By their own admission, parents of the Twelve Tribes, which has around 100 members in two locations in Bavaria where it has had a base for 15 years, are instructed to beat their children "with a small reed-like rod which only inflicts pain and no damage".

According to initial reports, the disciplinary rods used were soaked in oil to make them more pliable during a beating, when children were allegedly struck on their bare feet, arms and backs, inside the former Cistercian monastery.

Eyewitnesses to the police raids said no resistance was shown, and that as the children were removed they showed no emotion towards their parents.


Two of the moms were sentenced:
- one for battery 9 months on probation and 180 hours of work
- one for 6 months on probation and 100 hours of work

(The defense attorney tried to have the videos thrown out because of privacy, didn't work.)

Das Amtsgericht Nördlingen in Bayern verurteilte am Dienstag eine Mutter wegen Körperverletzung zu einer Freiheitsstrafe von neun Monaten; die Strafe wird zur Bewährung ausgesetzt. Außerdem muss die Frau 180 Stunden gemeinnützige Arbeit leisten.

In einem zweiten Verfahren wurde eine Mutter zu 100 Stunden gemeinnütziger Arbeit und einer Freiheitsstrafe von sechs Monaten verurteilt, die ebenfalls zur Bewährung ausgesetzt wird. Die Urteile sind noch nicht rechtskräftig.

The European Court of Human Rights on Thursday upheld Germany’s decision to take away the children of families in a Christian sect to protect them from being disciplined by caning, agreeing the punishment constituted child abuse and authorities were left with no choice.

Bavarian authorities in 2013 raided the Twelve Tribes sect settlements near the towns of Deinigen and Woernitz and took 40 children, between ages 18 months and 17 years, into foster care after a hidden-camera media report showed the parents caning children as punishment.
https://archive.is/Dr7qK (still archiving)

They left Germany in 2015 for the chech republic.
 
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