Most churches in coastal states excommunicate people who come out as gay. Even some of the Methodist churches do it, despite the fact that Methodist churches elsewhere welcome them.
Not to mention that in many, many southern states coming out as gay will get you beaten up, if not killed.
I am genuinely curious about where you got this information. Did this happen to someone you know? Because it's completely opposite to everything I've seen myself and heard from others. I've lived in coastal cities and gays who want to just go to mainstream churches where the clergy are super gay friendly (not to the brown people/immigrant churches where that might get you shunned). I have redneck/country relatives and they just don't care if anyone is gay. It sounds like a European's perception of America to me. (Genuinely not trying to be a dick here.)
Can we please stop with this idiotic debate about whether or not it can be hard or dangerous to be gay in the US? I'll repeat what I said before: The great old American melting pot means we are so big, so varied, and so stupid that parts of this country are progressive while others are basically the developing world.
And it can change even in the same state. For instance: being gay in New Orleans? Almost mandatory. Being gay in Baton Rouge? No one gaf unless they're a church lady with a single gay kid they want to set you up with. Being gay in Shreveport? "he just hasn't found the right girl yet." Being gay in Lafayette? Might as well be 1957. And even then it can still vary based on your social set, especially among religious circles.
Or, say Texas. Austin is one of the big three of the gay Meccas of the Deep South along with Nola and Atlanta. But outside of most major urban areas it can be like a horror film. Georgia has Atlanta, Savannah, and Athens. But the smaller towns are much more difficult.
Fuck, I went to school in West Virginia. And while our school was openly welcoming and promoted queer life (Methodist), it was well known that if you were in Certain Counties or took Certain Exits, you kept to yourself as much as possible.
It varies. And anyone who tries to claim that their personal experience with almost anything in the US is the norm is kidding themselves. We are the Nation State equivalent of Frankenstein's Monster. That's partly why so many cults thrive here.
Back to the Quiverfull weirdos: one of the aspiring would-be Quiverfull influencers went dark on social media yesterday. Karissa Collins is one of the rare Quiverfull folk who is in a mixed race relationship and she's known for forcing her children to fast, letting her kids beat the shit out of each other, assigning her buddy system based around how brown her kids are, Photoshopping them to be whiter, fasting while pregnant or trying to get pregnant, over sharing about her kids' health conditions, and various safety hazards in her home.
And in other news, someone just left this on Ben Seewald's (Mr. Jessa Duggar) reel talking about struggling with same sex attraction:
Speaking of completely unfounded rumors of Fundie husbands being so deep in the closet they're practically in Narnia, Bethany from Girl Defined posted this:
And yes, this is the one with the husband who may or may not have admitted to attending conversion therapy in a now deleted video.
And also yes, this is the same Bethany Beal from Girl Defined who bragged about her Nazi ancestor on Instagram and just deleted all the comments about her grandfather being an out and proud Nazi who personally confiscated the homes and businesses of the Jewish families in his area and sent them off to the camps. Which is especially interesting, considering one of the things Bethany bragged about was that his house is still owned by her family to this day. (And no, this was not a "following orders" situation. This guy was arrested multiple times for spreading Nazi propaganda prior to the Anschluss. He LOVED himself some Hitler.)
She tried fudging the truth by describing her family as "directly affected" by World War II and by that she means that her grandfather was made Mayor of the town by the Third Reich and was eventually arrested for war crimes by the allies. And no, she has never addressed or acknowledged this.
Not sure if they technically count as Quiverfull but I know they're at least not fond of birth control. These two have been married for about a year and a half and have one kid.
Back to the Quiverfull weirdos: one of the aspiring would-be Quiverfull influencers went dark on social media yesterday. Karissa Collins is one of the rare Quiverfull folk who is in a mixed race relationship and she's known for forcing her children to fast, letting her kids beat the shit out of each other, assigning her buddy system based around how brown her kids are, Photoshopping them to be whiter, fasting while pregnant or trying to get pregnant, over sharing about her kids' health conditions, and various safety hazards in her home.
The Collins parents are fucking terrifying, and and out and proud child abusers. I really hope she got got for abusing her poor kids. And it ain't just instagram that she nuked - her Facebook is also gone, as is whatever recent blog she may have had. Her old blogger profile is still up, but she abandoned it back when she only had one kid.
But THIS is some piping hot fucking tea! So Bin is trolling for dick on grindr while he does fuckall every day, eh? No wonder Jessa had had only four pregnancies despite them being married for almost seven years.
I wonder if Bin starting up this YouTube video series about struggling with The Gay was a combination of punishment for his cheating, plus an attempt at a pocket sand distraction from Josh's shit.
The funny thing is that during Ben and Jessa's courtship/engagement, it was framed as him pursuing his lifelong TV crush. Which was pretty believable at the time. The Duggar girls in general are fairly good looking, but Jessa is exceptionally pretty and has always been pegged as "the hot one." It would make sense that she's the Fundie equivalent of Belle Delphine or Margot Robbie or whoever teen boys are obsessed with these days.
It is really ironic how things ended up with her vs Jill. Everyone in Duggar fan circles thought that it would be her and/or Jinger who broke away and go on to expose the whole thing then live glamorous, more normal lives. And it was also expected that even if she didn't break away, she's probably make the "best" marriage. Meanwhile, people were sure Jill would be the Fundie cultist golden daughter forever because she was such a people pleaser and true believer.
Now Jessa is stuck with four children (and counting!) In a two bedroom house with a husband who is completely dependent on her father financially and spends his spare time apparently on Grindr instead of looking for a real job while she piles up diapers in her disgusting home and posts totally not fake dialogue from her kids on social media. Ben is supposedly some sort of preacher but clearly his job is, uh, not very time consuming or profitable. He definitely seems a lot less successful than Jinger's husband Jeremy, who is also a pastor but actually works during the day and has a real income.
In contrast Jill has two kids in an appropriately sized home, endorsement deals, a therapist, eats non Carb-age meals, has a nice church community and friends outside of Christian Fundamentalism, dresses however she wants, and has a loving husband with an advanced degree, actual career prospects, an actual backbone, and willingness to acknowledge that she's an abuse survivor. And they're straight up calling Rim Job a practical human trafficker online (apparently Derick runs his social media posts about her family by her before he posts). And her kids are going to make it to fifth grade knowing the alphabet.
But hey, Jessa managed to take Jill's place as favorite daughter. So I'm sure it's all worth it.
Anyways, I truly hope that the Collinses are being investigated. Next up: the Rodrigueses, please.
She may have really fucked up this time, she'd be spamming her Instagram with photos and prayer requests otherwise. I hope that poor child is going to be okay. I am also hoping that the hospital stay gives CPS the opportunity to get involved.
The Collins family can DFE, but Kiwi Farms still remembers. Starting around page 27, there's lots of screenshots from her socials. She's batshit insane.
I am genuinely curious about where you got this information. Did this happen to someone you know? Because it's completely opposite to everything I've seen myself and heard from others. I've lived in coastal cities and gays who want to just go to mainstream churches where the clergy are super gay friendly (not to the brown people/immigrant churches where that might get you shunned). I have redneck/country relatives and they just don't care if anyone is gay. It sounds like a European's perception of America to me. (Genuinely not trying to be a dick here.)
Yes, I have a family member who was kicked out of his church just because he came out. They said he could repent (stop being gay) or leave. He left. Many people in our family shun him too. A couple of guys that my son went to school with have been physically assaulted for being gay. As @FernandoPooTragedy said, some places are progressive, some aren't.
I'm not sure, but the only things I can think of are car accident, really bad fall, if they need to be trached (if only so they don't pick at the damn thing), or if one of the parents shook the poor thing like a maraca.
And judging from the lack of bruises, and cuts (at least from what we can see), I unfortunately think it's the latter in this case.
Yes, I have a family member who was kicked out of his church just because he came out. They said he could repent (stop being gay) or leave. He left. Many people in our family shun him too. A couple of guys that my son went to school with have been physically assaulted for being gay. As @FernandoPooTragedy said, some places are progressive, some aren't.
WTF did they do to that baby that it needs a neck brace?
But THIS is some piping hot fucking tea! So Bin is trolling for dick on grindr while he does fuckall every day, eh? No wonder Jessa had had only four pregnancies despite them being married for almost seven years.
has there even been confirmation to this? its certainly interesting but is there anything to back that up? its easy to ride the high of pedojosh getting locked up but getting too worked up over a lone comment is a bit reactionary.
She tried fudging the truth by describing her family as "directly affected" by World War II and by that she means that her grandfather was made Mayor of the town by the Third Reich and was eventually arrested for war crimes by the allies. And no, she has never addressed or acknowledged this.
I'm glad we kiwis are able to talk frankly regarding the Holocaust and above making holocaust jokes . I'm also directly affected so this hits close my my heart, as my gramps was there.
He drove the forklift.
What an interesting family. @FernandoPooTragedy , did u check archive to see if any of their existing shit is there?
has there even been confirmation to this? its certainly interesting but is there anything to back that up? its easy to ride the high of pedojosh getting locked up but getting too worked up over a lone comment is a bit reactionary.
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Called it!
I'm glad we kiwis are able to talk frankly regarding the Holocaust and above making holocaust jokes . I'm also directly affected so this hits close my my heart, as my gramps was there.
He drove the forklift.
What an interesting family. @FernandoPooTragedy , did u check archive to see if any of their existing shit is there?
If that wasn't fun enough, one of their brothers is apparently nicknamed after dear old Opa.
They also tried fudging the truth in another story they told about their poor grandma watching her father get arrested and thrown in prison during the war and how hard that was for her. Purposely leaving out the fact that he was arrested by US soldiers for being a total monster.
I know, I know. It is usually such bullshit when people call each other Nazis, but....
I'm sorry, but this is fucking weird AF. It's not just that they have a Nazi grandpa or that they try to obscure the truth about him. It's that they keep bringing him up and trying the same shit over and over and still talk about this dude and have made him a family hero. And keep honoring him.
Now maybe it's just Jewwy paranoia on my part, but that's fucking suspicious AF. It's basically the direct opposite of that time Ben Affleck tried to cancel his episode of Finding Your Roots because it turned out his ancestors owned slaves.
It does not surprise me that Jill Duggar rejected her parents' teachings as an adult. As a child, she truly believed every word they said. When she grew up and realized how much of it wasn't true, well. Don't most of us side-eye a liar? And Jim Bob and Michelle lied to her about everything. Jill had to re-learn how to be a person. She's gotta be cranky about that.
Jessa, on the other hand, wasn't as trusting and believing as Jill. Jessa uses the cult beliefs to her benefit with no guilt, because she recognises the bullshit.
It does not surprise me that Jill Duggar rejected her parents' teachings as an adult. As a child, she truly believed every word they said. When she grew up and realized how much of it wasn't true, well. Don't most of us side-eye a liar? And Jim Bob and Michelle lied to her about everything. Jill had to re-learn how to be a person. She's gotta be cranky about that.
Jessa, on the other hand, wasn't as trusting and believing as Jill. Jessa uses the cult beliefs to her benefit with no guilt, because she recognises the bullshit.
Yep. Megan Phelps Roper said that this was more or less what it was like for her. She got out and her more rebellious sisters are still in Westboro screaming about how Mr. Rogers is in Hell.
Though I don't think Jessa's too bright given that the "advantages" she's gotten out of those cults beliefs are dwindling quite a bit. Her house is a literal shit show and even if Ben isn't getting spit roasted in the finest motels Arkansas can provide, he's still a complete loser. That TLC money has to be running out with all the legal fees too. The world could be Jessa's oyster if she'd get off her ass. Please, Jessa, get off your ass. You and your children deserve better. Get off your ass before you have too many kids. When your daddy's money really starts getting tight, you'll be the first to be cut off, trust me.
Can we please stop with this idiotic debate about whether or not it can be hard or dangerous to be gay in the US? I'll repeat what I said before: The great old American melting pot means we are so big, so varied, and so stupid that parts of this country are progressive while others are basically the developing world.
And it can change even in the same state. For instance: being gay in New Orleans? Almost mandatory. Being gay in Baton Rouge? No one gaf unless they're a church lady with a single gay kid they want to set you up with. Being gay in Shreveport? "he just hasn't found the right girl yet." Being gay in Lafayette? Might as well be 1957. And even then it can still vary based on your social set, especially among religious circles.
Or, say Texas. Austin is one of the big three of the gay Meccas of the Deep South along with Nola and Atlanta. But outside of most major urban areas it can be like a horror film. Georgia has Atlanta, Savannah, and Athens. But the smaller towns are much more difficult.
Fuck, I went to school in West Virginia. And while our school was openly welcoming and promoted queer life (Methodist), it was well known that if you were in Certain Counties or took Certain Exits, you kept to yourself as much as possible.
It varies. And anyone who tries to claim that their personal experience with almost anything in the US is the norm is kidding themselves. We are the Nation State equivalent of Frankenstein's Monster. That's partly why so many cults thrive here.
I mean, I’m just here comparing how they get lobbed off of rooftops in my home country. So frankly, the contrast is stark compared to even the smallest of towns in Georgia. But I digress.
Yep. Megan Phelps Roper said that this was more or less what it was like for her. She got out and her more rebellious sisters are still in Westboro screaming about how Mr. Rogers is in Hell.
Speaking of the Westboro Baptist church, I may have found their family tree chart I was looking for, and I'd like to do something similar with the Duggars.
I feel like there's another one that is slightly different and a bit more updated with their lawyer businessey stuffs but I can't find it online anymore.
After their successful collaboration on the “LuLaRich” docuseries, Amazon Studios has greenlit an investigation from the same filmmakers, about the Institute in Basic Life Principles. That fundamentalist organization is associated with the Duggars, the famous reality TV family that has become...
Speaking of the Westboro Baptist church, I may have found their family tree chart I was looking for, and I'd like to do something similar with the Duggars.
I feel like there's another one that is slightly different and a bit more updated with their lawyer businessey stuffs but I can't find it online anymore.
After their successful collaboration on the “LuLaRich” docuseries, Amazon Studios has greenlit an investigation from the same filmmakers, about the Institute in Basic Life Principles. That fundamentalist organization is associated with the Duggars, the famous reality TV family that has become...
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