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Featured on Sep 8, 2022 by Null: Queen Elizabeth has died.
www.bbc.co.uk

The Queen back at Windsor after hospital stay

She is "in good spirits" after a one-night stay for preliminary medical checks, Buckingham Palace says.
www.bbc.co.uk

The Queen spent Wednesday night in hospital for preliminary medical checks and is now back at Windsor Castle, Buckingham Palace has said.
The 95-year-old monarch returned from hospital at lunchtime on Thursday and is "in good spirits", the palace added.
The Queen was said to be "disappointed" after cancelling a visit to Northern Ireland on Wednesday.
She was given medical advice to rest for a few days, after a busy schedule of public engagements.
In a statement on Thursday night, Buckingham Palace said: "Following medical advice to rest for a few days, the Queen attended hospital on Wednesday afternoon for some preliminary investigations, returning to Windsor Castle at lunchtime today, and remains in good spirits."
The Queen was seen by specialists at the private King Edward VII's Hospital in central London, about 19 miles (32km) from Windsor. Her admittance is understood not to be related to coronavirus.
The overnight stay was said to be for practical reasons and the Queen was back at her desk undertaking light duties on Thursday afternoon.
The King Edward VII's is a private hospital in London's Marylebone used by senior royals, including the Queen's husband, the late Duke of Edinburgh, who received treatment there earlier this year.
It has been a busy period of official engagements for the Queen.
She was pictured hosting a Global Investment Summit at Windsor Castle on Tuesday evening alongside Prime Minister Boris Johnson.
An official record of the Queen's diary showed at least 15 other formal events during October.
On Wednesday, a Buckingham Palace spokesman said the monarch had "reluctantly accepted medical advice to rest for the next few days".
He said the Queen was "disappointed that she will no longer be able to visit Northern Ireland" - which would have involved an overnight stay.
She is expected to lead a royal delegation to the Glasgow COP26 climate change summit in two weeks' time.
Earlier this week, the Queen declined a magazine's award of Oldie of the Year, saying "you are only as old as you feel".
She "politely but firmly" turned down the award, but sent the Oldie magazine a message with her "warmest best wishes".
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Just a preliminary thread for now, but it's worth keeping an eye on, pretty sure this was how it started with Philip...
 
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Jarolleon said:
To be fair decolonization was actually awful, if Africa Addio is to be believed. Not like Elizabeth could have made it better though, unless she somehow got the Burgers to prop up the British Empire and pulled the right strings to make someone like Enoch Powell PM with a cooperative parliament.
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Africa Addio is simultaneously a horrendous and extraordinary piece of cinema. Unbelievably brutal and exploitative (the American release was called Africa Blood and Guts, to give you an idea) and though much of what was filmed was genuine (the lead up to Kenyan independence, revolts in Portuguese Angola, the genocide of the Zanzibar Arabs during the 1964 Revolution, the capture of Stanleyville and the massacres of Catholic priests and nuns during the Congo Crisis come to mind) a few of the scenes were fabricated (or exaggerated) for dramatic affect, like the shot of Afrikaners leaving Kenya for South Africa on horse and buggy while wearing typical mid-60's clothing, the white girls throwing off their clothes and jumping on trampolines in Cape Town near the end, and some bits of narration inflating the scale of white flight in newly independent countries (tens of thousands of whites elected to stay in Kenya after independence and remain prominent in agriculture and industry there to this day).

The American cut removed about 40 minutes of political context in both the footage and narration from the original Italian version, which is more of a traditional (if a bit gonzo) documentary. Also the Italian narration spares nobody in blame, criticizing both European irresponsibility, arrogance and callousness with people they supposedly swore to care for and bring civilization to, and unchecked black African brutality where new leaders and revolutionaries were often just as repressive as their colonial forbears. I don't recommend anybody with a weak stomach to watch it due to some moments being incredibly graphic (not just bodies of people but the brutal poaching footage of wildlife too). Thankfully much of Sub-saharan Africa is faring far better now than it did in the years immediately after independence.

Also it gave us the 'These aren't whites, they're Italians!' meme.

Here's arguably the best version currently available, the original Italian with more accurate English subtitle translations. The film undeniably contains some of the best footage documentation of the era, though the editing could be over-the-top at times.
 
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So since Canada is woke who will they put on their 20 instead of Charles? Imagine if it's Keffals...
 
NevskyProspekt said:
Africa Addio is simultaneously a horrendous and extraordinary piece of cinema. Unbelievably brutal and exploitative (the American release was called Africa Blood and Guts, to give you an idea) and though much of what was filmed was genuine (the lead up to Kenyan independence, revolts in Portuguese Angola, the genocide of the Zanzibar Arabs during the 1964 Revolution, the capture of Stanleyville and the massacres of Catholic priests and nuns during the Congo Crisis come to mind) a few of the scenes were fabricated (or exaggerated) for dramatic affect, like the shot of Afrikaners leaving Kenya for South Africa on horse and buggy while wearing typical mid-60's clothing, the white girls throwing off their clothes and jumping on trampolines in Cape Town near the end, and some bits of narration inflating the scale of white flight in newly independent countries (tens of thousands of whites elected to stay in Kenya after independence and remain prominent in agriculture and industry there to this day).

The American cut removed about 40 minutes of political context in both the footage and narration from the original Italian version, which is more of a traditional (if a bit gonzo) documentary. Also the Italian narration spares nobody in blame, criticizing both European irresponsibility, arrogance and callousness with people they supposedly swore to care for and bring civilization to, and unchecked black African brutality where new leaders and revolutionaries were often just as repressive as their colonial forbears. I don't recommend anybody with a weak stomach to watch it due to some moments being incredibly graphic (not just bodies of people but the brutal poaching footage of wildlife too). Thankfully much of Sub-saharan Africa is faring far better now than it did in the years immediately after independence.

Also it gave us the 'These aren't whites, they're Italians!' meme.

Here's arguably the best version currently available, the original Italian with more accurate English subtitle translations. The film undeniably contains some of the best footage documentation of the era, though the editing could be over-the-top at times.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XzM4kLQvnpo
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I did watch the Italian version with subs, I don't if the US dub also blames the hasty pullout for the mess but the Italian narration definitely does. There's something hypnotic about the filmmaker pontificating over the footage, it's as if Italian evolved for that purpose. The part near the end where the mine blasts are juxtaposed with the stock exchange followed by the penguins on the rocks may count as art IMO. Some of the Cape Town footage did make me question if it was regularly screened on Epstein's island though.

I wonder if the covered wagon scene was some kind of movie set they walked in on, like their behind-the-scenes Zulu footage, or if the infrastructure was so shit in the interior of Africa at the time that covered wagons were the best option for moving house.
 
(((Oban Lazcano Kamz))) said:
Queen Elizabeth #2 was a useless figure head that should have been publicly executed
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Any and all "royalty" is like this. They do about as much for a country as a mascot does for a football team. It's expected that there is one but it's almost entirely unnecessary and they are always basically completely useless. Behead monarchs and kick their heads around the streets.
 
Jarolleon said:
I did watch the Italian version with subs, I don't if the US dub also blames the hasty pullout for the mess but the Italian narration definitely does. There's something hypnotic about the filmmaker pontificating over the footage, it's as if Italian evolved for that purpose. The part near the end where the mine blasts are juxtaposed with the stock exchange followed by the penguins on the rocks may count as art IMO. Some of the Cape Town footage did make me question if it was regularly screened on Epstein's island though.

I wonder if the covered wagon scene was some kind of movie set they walked in on, like their behind-the-scenes Zulu footage, or if the infrastructure was so shit in the interior of Africa at the time that covered wagons were the best option for moving house.
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Kenya was one of the better-developed colonies (technically a protectorate) in British Africa. Nairobi was (and to be fair, still is) a modern developed city similar to those in the American Midwest. Modern cars were pretty common across all of Sub-Saharan Africa by that point.


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Funnily enough, sub-saharan African cities in general (especially in former British colonies/protectorates) are pretty similar to those found in North America, Australia and New Zealand. Lots of sprawl and horizontal development, though of course the infrastructure in a lot of cities is struggling to keep up with the population growth + migration from the countryside (Kampala in Uganda is one of the more extreme examples and is plagued with near-perpetual heavy traffic). I think the average lot size in Zimbabwe is larger than what you would typically find in the U.S. In Rhodesia the minimum lot size in the white areas was about half an acre and only got larger from there, and the black townships also had better quality single-family housing than the vast majority of housing provided to black Africans in other colonies, which in many cases amounted to single or two-room barracks.
 
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