Quebec bans religious symbols for state workers - Will piss off Trudeau and UN in the process.

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June 16, 2019 11:29 pm
Updated: June 16, 2019 11:44 pm
Quebec bans religious symbols for state workers in new lawBy Staff The Canadian Press




Quebec Minister of Immigration, Diversity and Inclusiveness Simon Jolin Barrette, left, is congratulated by Quebec Premier Francois Legault after they voted a legislation on secularism, at the National Assembly in Quebec City, Sunday, June 16, 2019.

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Quebec’s contentious secularism billbanning religious symbols for teachers, police officers and other public servants in positions of authority was voted into law late Sunday.



Premier Francois Legault’s government used its majority to push through Bill 21 by a vote of 73 to 35 after applying the mechanism of closure to end debate on the bill prematurely. The Parti Quebecois also voted in favour, while the Liberals and Quebec solidaire were opposed.
The bill prohibits public servants in positions of authority from wearing religious symbols on the job. Its opponents say the law targets religious minorities while the government argues it affirms the Quebecois people’s secular identity.
The Coalition Avenir Quebec government introduced last-minute amendments toughening the law, making provisions for a minister to verify that it is being obeyed and to demand corrective measures if necessary.

Liberal member Marc Tanguay said the changes would result in a “secularism police.”
Just before the final vote, the bill’s sponsor, Simon Jolin-Barrette, minister of immigration, diversity and inclusiveness, asked all legislators to “convey the principles of state secularism with calm and respect.”
The legislation includes wording that preemptively invokes Section 33 of the Canadian Constitution. As a consequence, no citizen will be able to challenge the bill on grounds it violates fundamental freedoms granted by law.
A Section 33 declaration, however, needs to be renewed every five years. Legault told reporters earlier in the day his government was closing a door that no one would choose to reopen.



“My prediction,” he said, “is that neither the Liberals, nor the Parti Quebecois — I don’t think they’ll be in power in five years — would want to change this law.”
Liberal Helene David quickly contradicted him. The Opposition critic for secularism told reporters a Liberal government would not renew Section 33. “We will see in five years what we will do,” she said. “There are strong chances we will want to repeal (the law).”
Bill 21 fulfills a major campaign promise by Legault’s party. The premier has often said the legislation is a “compromise” because his party decided against including daycare workers or private school teachers in the bill. The legislation also grants certain public sector workers such as teachers an acquired right to continue wearing religious symbols if they were hired before the law took effect.
Bill 21 also forbids anyone giving or receiving a state service with their face covered — largely seen as a measure targeting full-face Islamic veils.

The Liberals offered an amendment that would have let university students studying to become state employees affected by the law, such as teachers or lawyers, to have an acquired right to continue wearing religious symbols.


Jolin-Barette, said no. The so-called grandfather clause “would only to apply to those already working.”
Despite criticism from across the country by federal and provincial politicians, human rights advocates and many other groups, Legault’s government has stayed united in its drive to adopt the legislation.
Legault and his ministers have proclaimed that the bill will go down in history alongside other major pieces of legislation affirming the Quebecois nation’s values and way of life, such as the 1977 Charter of the French Language, known as Bill 101.
READ MORE: Quebec’s religious symbols definition sparks confusion over wedding rings, discrimination concerns
The premier said Friday the bill has allowed many Quebecers to regain a sense of pride. But Pierre Arcand, interim Liberal leader, said Sunday Legault’s legacy will be “this botched bill, that can’t be applied, that violates the rights of minorities. Mr. Premier, we will remember you for this.”
Bill 21 was the second law debated and passed over the weekend. In a 62 to 42 vote, the government used its majority around 4 a.m. Sunday to push through Bill 9, which reforms the province’s immigration system.
Jolin-Barrette’s bill gives the province more authority over who receives permanent residency in the province. The government says the new selection criteria will permit it to fast-track newcomers who better meet the needs of employers. Applicants in the old system were selected on a first-come, first-served basis.
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The bill is controversial because it creates a legal framework that allows the government to force newly arrived immigrants to pass a French-language and so-called values test before becoming eligible for permanent residency.
While specific wording on the two proposed tests isn’t included in the bill, the legislation permits the province to institute the tests by way of regulation.
Also contentious is the provision in Bill 9 permitting the government to cancel roughly 18,000 immigration applications — some from people who have waited in limbo for years as their files languished under the old system. Those applicants will have to start the process over again.
Including the applicants’ families, the fates of some 50,000 people wishing to immigrate to Quebec were at stake.
READ MORE: UN experts ‘concerned,’ want answers about Quebec religious symbols bill
Opponents to the bill, including the provincial Liberals, said the Coalition Avenir Quebec government has provided “no credible explanation” to eliminate the applications.
The federation of Quebec’s chambers of commerce saluted the bill’s passing early Sunday.
“The concerted efforts of the government will lead to a better link between the skills of immigrants and those required for positions to fill in Quebec companies,” the federation’s president, Stephane Forget, said in a statement.

FUCKING FINALLY !
 
I used to bitch about Quebec and their need to protect their distinct culture. Now I am grateful for it. At least french Canadian culture is safe. What they are effectively doing is preventing female muzzies from getting jobs on the public dime unless they forsake their hijab. It is a good thing an will hopefully lead to less muslim students and more women having an excuse to shed their headdress of oppression. In my opinion daycare workers were only excluded because they would suffer severe staff shortages otherwise (Quebec offers $7 per day daycare).

I do not believe that Trudeau will speak against this much. Quebec is his base of support and there is an election coming. I agree with Legault that no subsequent government will repeal the law. Everyone except SJWs knows it is needed they just can't say so without being labelled racist.
 
There is also this:

Quebec government passes controversial immigration bill
The province will be able to nix roughly 18,000 immigration applications

QUEBEC — The Quebec government has passed a contentious immigration bill in an early-morning vote of 62 to 42.

The legislation gives the province’s immigration minister more authority over who receives permanent residency in the province.

It also allows the government to cancel roughly 18,000 immigration applications — some from people who have waited in limbo for years as their files languished under the old system — meaning those applicants will have to start the process over again.

Quebec’s premier refuses to back down on plan to scrap 18,000 immigration applications
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Including the applicants’ families, the fates of some 50,000 people wishing to emigrate to Quebec were at stake.

Critics say the government has provided “no credible explanation” to eliminate the applications, but Premier Francois Legault said yesterday that Bill 9 is needed to better meet the needs of Quebec’s labour market.
 
I used to bitch about Quebec and their need to protect their distinct culture. Now I am grateful for it. At least french Canadian culture is safe. What they are effectively doing is preventing female muzzies from getting jobs on the public dime unless they forsake their hijab. It is a good thing an will hopefully lead to less muslim students and more women having an excuse to shed their headdress of oppression. In my opinion daycare workers were only excluded because they would suffer severe staff shortages otherwise (Quebec offers $7 per day daycare).

I do not believe that Trudeau will speak against this much. Quebec is his base of support and there is an election coming. I agree with Legault that no subsequent government will repeal the law. Everyone except SJWs knows it is needed they just can't say so without being labelled racist.
While protecting Quebecois culture is likely a factor in this decision, I'm fairly certain pissing as many non-Quebecois people off as possible would be another major one from what I have heard of Quebec.

EDIT: Come to think of it, if Alberta's kind of roughly analogous to Texas what would Quebec's closest match be in the States?
 
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wait, doesn't Quebec have state-subsidized Catholic schools?
i don't necessarily disagree with the intent of this law, but I can't imagine them not getting in trouble with Canada's Board of Human Rights when it's obvious that nobody with a cross necklace is getting in trouble
 
EDIT: Come to think of it, if Alberta's kind of roughly analogous to Texas what would Quebec's closest match be in the States?

Often Canadians, particularly in the east, refer to Alberta as the United State of Alberta. This, in my opinion is less of a political statement and more of an environmental one. Alberta has a long history of privatizing profits and socializing losses. The next time you hear of Canadians protesting a pipeline remember that many people see little net benefit. And we know from experience that if something goes awry the taxpayers will be stuck with the bill. But I digress.

Vermont in my opinion is most like Quebec. A relatively (to other states), generous social safety net and every year they vote to secede from the US, or at least they did up until 10 years ago. Vermont's environmental protections and permitting are designed to keep it from being developed into Connecticut lite. You can't build a house in the state without hiring a civil engineering firm to navigate the bureaucracy. The whole state only has 3 Walmarts and only 3 townships with more than 15,000 residents. So both demographically and geographically it makes sense. In my opinion Vermonters are some of the most independent thinking Americans. What Vermont does not have that Quebec does is national political influence.
 
wait, doesn't Quebec have state-subsidized Catholic schools?
i don't necessarily disagree with the intent of this law, but I can't imagine them not getting in trouble with Canada's Board of Human Rights when it's obvious that nobody with a cross necklace is getting in trouble
Most of the fucking country has 100% tax payer funded Catholic schools because Quebec made us do it or they wouldn't be a part of Canada! Don't even get me started on the waste. It has turned into a good option for many non-Catholic families though because they are less progressive and no muzzies. If you want to know more.
 
Oh man, how are the Christians who wear crosses going to cope? Oh right, tuck it inside your shirt. Eat shit, Muslims and to a lesser extent, Sikhs.
Nah, I live in an area heavily populated by Sikhs, and for the most part, they are pretty good people.
Every year, they have a huge parade/festival, the public is welcome, and they hand out tons of free food.
They're involved in the community and don't insist we change to meet their demands.
 
Nah, I live in an area heavily populated by Sikhs, and for the most part, they are pretty good people.
Every year, they have a huge parade/festival, the public is welcome, and they hand out tons of free food.
They're involved in the community and don't insist we change to meet their demands.
I hear you, I also live around Sikhs, I was just referring to the fact that their turbans are part of their religious attire.
 
Nah, I live in an area heavily populated by Sikhs, and for the most part, they are pretty good people.
Every year, they have a huge parade/festival, the public is welcome, and they hand out tons of free food.
They're involved in the community and don't insist we change to meet their demands.
That and Sikhism was literally started as a counter religion to Islamic invaders in India, if I'm not mistaken.
 
That and Sikhism was literally started as a counter religion to Islamic invaders in India, if I'm not mistaken.
Yup, and they're monotheistic although they more or less worship all their gurus in an unseemly manner that's contradictory to the first guru's teachings. Regardless, Sikhs are decent, hardworking folks that hardly ever honour kill their daughters although they have been known to whack an disapproved suitor.
 
The law sounds good but I'm not excited for it. It's only going to be used to attack Quebec's traditional culture. Like taking down that big historic Crucifix in the legislature. I've seen them interview people in different public sectors who claim there is no way the gov can enforce this law and they won't make their workers take off their hijabs and whatnot.
I'm not even xtian or an advocate for it but it's going to get applied more to them than anyone else because applying it to anyone else would be racist. The other thing about this secularism bill is... Quebec existed long before the French Revolution and has always been deeply Roman Catholic. Not secular or atheist. Secularism is an important part of French culture in France but it's not a part of Quebecois culture. So passing this off as a law to protect Quebec's culture is stupid.
 
It's a retarded law that exists to target Muslims instead of enforce secularism. You won't see any Catholic symbols going down.

Of course, they won't make an exception for well liked minorities to save face.
 
I thought the provincial government liked Muslims. They sent that guy to jail for leaving bacon and ham in front of those mosques in Quebec City.
 
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