Opinion Putin Has Tainted Russian Greatness

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Putin Has Tainted Russian Greatness​

Many years ago, in the 1980s, I went to Brighton Beach, then in its heyday as a district of newly arrived Soviet Jews, to celebrate the first year (there would not be many more) of the lively local Russian-language weekly, The New American. It was a grand event, rich in humor and tinged with nostalgia. I asked a middle-aged partygoer for his thoughts on his lost homeland, and his reply has stayed with me: “I hate Russia, for forcing me to leave her.”

It was an apt summary of what waves of émigrés from Russia and the Soviet Union since the early 20th century have felt: a sorrowful sense of loss for a motherland — what Russians call “toska po rodine” — coupled with resentment at the autocratic powers that forced them out. My grandparents were among the “White” Russians who fled the Revolution and moved to Paris in the 1920s. A second wave of emigrants left in World War II. The third, Soviet Jews, started leaving in the 1970s. Vladimir Putin has now created another wave of people fleeing Russia, and many of them may still believe, as my forebears did, that they will one day return to the homeland.
Most probably will not.

It’s hard to say precisely where Russian exiles stand, politically or in their sense of attachment to Russia. The waves of emigrants differ widely one from another, and in the United States, they have not behaved like immigrants from Italy, China or Poland who formed hyphenated-American communities and organizations that have persisted over generations. Russians immigrants to America have, by comparison, melded quickly into the general population. Brighton Beach is one of the few places with any Russian flavor in the United States.

Still, the prevailing attitude I’ve encountered among Russian émigrés is the love-hate expressed by my interlocutor in Brighton Beach. It’s the love of an extraordinary culture, a deep attachment to the expanse of steppes and taiga, along with contempt for the chronic misrule, adventurism, imperial illusions and corruption of the leaders.

At least, that was the attitude before Feb. 24, 2022, when Mr. Putin ordered the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. Now, I more often encounter, and feel, a new attitude: shame.

The émigrés I grew up with, and those I came to know in America and as a reporter in Israel, rarely felt troubled by the sins of their motherland. Why would they? There were no politics in the usual sense in the Russia they came from, no sense among the vast majority of the population that they had any say in what their self-perpetuating leaders did for them or to them from behind the Kremlin ramparts.

The Gulag was not their doing; their Russia was the culture, the scramble for scarce goods, the anecdotes told around vodka in steamy kitchens, the shashlik by a lazy river. Most Russians concentrated on protecting their lives from “them,” as people in the Soviet Union would refer to the leadership and its secret police, a finger pointed to the ceiling, and to survive. Or leave.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine — so cruel, so pointless, so devastating — has changed all this, at least for those not mesmerized by Mr. Putin’s recidivist claptrap. It’s hard not to feel shame at the evidence of Russians killing and raping people who did them no wrong, people who share so much of their history and culture.

And it has become difficult to feel pride in all the things that Russians can genuinely boast about — the great books, the Bolshoi, the hockey stars, the spirituality — when Mr. Putin is dispatching waves of boys to kill and die for his false version of Russia’s manifest destiny and his personal grievances against the West.

This is not necessarily a logical reaction. Tolstoy or Tchaikovsky are not to blame for Mariupol. And most Russians are not directly complicit in Mr. Putin’s malice. But Mr. Putin rose to power pledging to restore greatness to Russia, and the key to that is the desire among ordinary Russians to feel, again, a sense of belonging to a globally respected power. Russians may have been too caught up in Mr. Putin’s chimera to recognize that the seizure of Crimea or the incursions into Donetsk and Luhansk were a precursor of much worse.

When the Russian tanks began their grim parade toward Kyiv on Feb. 24, 2022, Russians, too, were in shock. “We, the Russians living inside and outside of the country, will have to bear the shame of this situation for years to come,” wrote Anastasia Piatakhina Giré, a psychotherapist in Paris, shortly after the invasion. She grew up in Soviet Union, and many of her patients are displaced Russians. “We can do very little to turn down the volume of this feeling, no matter how many Ukrainian flags we display on our social media feeds or either publicly or privately in our daily lives.”

A year later, another expatriate, Anastasia Edel, author of “Russia: Putin’s Playground: Empire, Revolution and the New Tsar,” wrote a syndicated column about trying to come to grips with the shame and confusion: “As someone who was shaped by Russian and Soviet literature, I have been made to feel like an unwilling partner to Russian crimes. That is why, since last February, I have abandoned any pretense of being a cultural envoy. I have been an envoy of nothing — just another immigrant who came to America in search of a better life.”

That is the tragic irony of Mr. Putin’s war. His attempt to “restore Russian greatness” through violence and hatred has tainted Russia’s real greatness for years to come, just as his attempt to quash Ukrainian nationhood has steeled its foundations. We know from the Germans’ postwar history that restoring a battered national identity is a project of decades, maybe more.

In the end, Tolstoy and Tchaikovsky will survive, as did Goethe and Bach, and Ukraine will be rebuilt and incorporated more closely in the West. But for Russians and those of us who identify even a little bit as Russian, something elemental has been destroyed, and a lot of painful soul-searching lies ahead.
 
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Oh, the irony.

But this is actually very similar to how the german-americans were "acclimatized" in the US during WW1, being made to feel ashamed of their country, their traditions, their language, their surnames and all that, but I thought that it was simply a top-down phenomenom, and I honestly still think that way, because I know for a fact that for example, if the chinese invaded Taiwan, Little China won't change one bit without outside intervention
 
I thought the history of Russia was that it’s never been great.
Depends.
They absolutely have impressive cultural and scientific achievements.
Russian realism is of course great world-literature, Russian music is also fantastic, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rachmaninoff are also world-class, painting and sculpting are respectable, but not special. They also had a great taste and appreciation for art out of other countries, imported italian architects to build huge museums and palaces to show the wealth and power of the Tsars.
And because the West has fucked up our heritage of art, they are one of the last bastions of producing great classical singers, dancers and theatre.
Their engineering was also pretty high level, as were their physics and chemistry.

All of these achievements were of course born out of the middle class, and the masses of peasants were treated worse than anywhere on the continent.
They never really managed to use the whole huge potential their huge swathes of land and resources gave them. They still don't.
 
Depends.
They absolutely have impressive cultural and scientific achievements.
Russian realism is of course great world-literature, Russian music is also fantastic, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rachmaninoff are also world-class, painting and sculpting are respectable, but not special. They also had a great taste and appreciation for art out of other countries, imported italian architects to build huge museums and palaces to show the wealth and power of the Tsars.
And because the West has fucked up our heritage of art, they are one of the last bastions of producing great classical singers, dancers and theatre.
Their engineering was also pretty high level, as were their physics and chemistry.

All of these achievements were of course born out of the middle class, and the masses of peasants were treated worse than anywhere on the continent.
They never really managed to use the whole huge potential their huge swathes of land and resources gave them. They still don't.
I was under the impression that it’s always been a serfdom society under the thumb of oligarchy. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Depends.
They absolutely have impressive cultural and scientific achievements.
Russian realism is of course great world-literature, Russian music is also fantastic, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rachmaninoff are also world-class, painting and sculpting are respectable, but not special. They also had a great taste and appreciation for art out of other countries, imported italian architects to build huge museums and palaces to show the wealth and power of the Tsars.
And because the West has fucked up our heritage of art, they are one of the last bastions of producing great classical singers, dancers and theatre.
Their engineering was also pretty high level, as were their physics and chemistry.

All of these achievements were of course born out of the middle class, and the masses of peasants were treated worse than anywhere on the continent.
They never really managed to use the whole huge potential their huge swathes of land and resources gave them. They still don't.
Being a huge fan of their accomplishments just during the rise of a nascent business class, as the Tsardom finally began to dwindle, just makes me all the more sad that the post-February revolution Constitutional Republic the provisional government was trying to set up couldn't hack it against the Bolshies.
Even ignoring how sending Lenin and his cronies secretly to sabotage Russia wound up backfiring horribly on his own people, I will forever resent Wilhelm II for preventing the full flowering of the Russian Romantics.
 
They absolutely have impressive cultural and scientific achievements.
Ivan the Terrible and His Son Ivan by Ilya Repin.jpg

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Being a huge fan of their accomplishments just during the rise of a nascent business class, as the Tsardom finally began to dwindle, just makes me all the more sad that the post-February revolution Constitutional Republic the provisional government was trying to set up couldn't hack it against the Bolshies.
Even ignoring how sending Lenin and his cronies secretly to sabotage Russia wound up backfiring horribly on his own people, I will forever resent Wilhelm II for preventing the full flowering of the Russian Romantics.
The Tetris song is based on a folk song, about a man and a woman courting each other under the guise of bartering. That gave me the impression that the Russians had a romantic element to the culture that got completely crushed under the Soviet Union. It's ironic, in a sad way, like Americans being preoccupied with health, wholesomeness and purity during the days of Kellogg.
 
Being a huge fan of their accomplishments just during the rise of a nascent business class, as the Tsardom finally began to dwindle, just makes me all the more sad that the post-February revolution Constitutional Republic the provisional government was trying to set up couldn't hack it against the Bolshies.

Even ignoring how sending Lenin and his cronies secretly to sabotage Russia wound up backfiring horribly on his own people, I will forever resent Wilhelm II for preventing the full flowering of the Russian Romantics.
Lenin is just one piece of the puzzle, it didn't help that the leadership of the Provisional Government and the Republic just wasn't very good.
 
Russia was never "great".
Depends.
They absolutely have impressive cultural and scientific achievements.
Not really.
Culturally Russia was always backwards and most of their shit is bootlegged from west Europe. Russia has a 'potential' for culture, often time they even have good taste, but generally you won't find russians overly cultured, bar the extremely rich elites.
Russian realism is of course great world-literature,
Every nation can produce great literature. Coincidentally, the best of Russian literature is often depressing as hell.
Russian music is also fantastic, Tchaikovsky, Mussorgsky, Rachmaninoff are also world-class,
Fair point.
painting and sculpting are respectable, but not special. They also had a great taste and appreciation for art out of other countries, imported italian architects to build huge museums and palaces to show the wealth and power of the Tsars.
Because they were an Empire ruled by Hapsburgs. Internally, Russia was a backwards medieval khanate. Even with the German monarchs leading the charge, Russia was always a century behind everyone else.
And because the West has fucked up our heritage of art, they are one of the last bastions of producing great classical singers, dancers and theatre.
That is absolute horseshit. Insulting fucking nonsense.
Russia has completely neutered its artistic potential decades ago and these days produces extremely low tier dogshit in movies, music, games and anything else. Maybe they promote a few classicist talents here and there, but you can find those in any country, really.
I hear the theater scene is still pretty good, but everything else has turned to just as much trash as anywhere else in the west.
Their engineering was also pretty high level, as were their physics and chemistry.
Emphasis on was. When was the last time Russia has produced any revolutionary new patents?
All of these achievements were of course born out of the middle class, and the masses of peasants were treated worse than anywhere on the continent.
They never really managed to use the whole huge potential their huge swathes of land and resources gave them. They still don't.
Yes they do. The land produce and resources are the only things that keeps them going, really.
It's the same with Mid. East oil shakers. They have the resource, they know how to get and sell it and they make loads from it. The same problem being that the money they get is wasted on the elites and their degeneracy while the rest live in dogshit. But that's Russia for you, an armpit of a nation.
 
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Lenin is just one piece of the puzzle, it didn't help that the leadership of the Provisional Government and the Republic just wasn't very good.
Yeah Lvov tried way too hard to reshape social mores alongside the government, freaking out half of the Duma, and Kerensky was uniquely talented at satisfying absolutely nobody.
I still think they could've made it work with enough time, even if it meant a peasant uprising against the military leadership, it didn't have to mean communism.
 
Being a huge fan of their accomplishments just during the rise of a nascent business class, as the Tsardom finally began to dwindle, just makes me all the more sad that the post-February revolution Constitutional Republic the provisional government was trying to set up couldn't hack it against the Bolshies.
Even ignoring how sending Lenin and his cronies secretly to sabotage Russia wound up backfiring horribly on his own people, I will forever resent Wilhelm II for preventing the full flowering of the Russian Romantics.
I feel that the greatest flaw of Putin's Russia is that it seeks to appeal to both Imperial and Soviet glories without fixing either of their flaws in a meaningful way. The Fall of Communism could have been a chance for a new Russia focused on its status as a European power instead of opposed to the West based on economics and “democracy,” but instead they retreated back into cronyism and Soviet nostalgia when NATO pushed them away for fighting separatists.
 
That's like, literally every place ever
You underestimate the absurd lack of culture in the average ruski mir people.
It's one thing to be uncultured and stupid. It's a whole other solar system to be a Russian drunk who is not only uncultured and stupid, but he's also violent and proud of his lack of culture to the point of kicking someone's ass if they don't like his kind of shit tier music and boredrline homeless tier of drinking environment.
 
You underestimate the absurd lack of culture in the average ruski mir people.
It's one thing to be uncultured and stupid. It's a whole other solar system to be a Russian drunk who is not only uncultured and stupid, but he's also violent and proud of his lack of culture to the point of kicking someone's ass if they don't like his kind of shit tier music and boredrline homeless tier of drinking environment.
This is like saying that the average british man is a chav, I think that you are reaching

I feel that the greatest flaw of Putin's Russia is that it seeks to appeal to both Imperial and Soviet glories without fixing either of their flaws in a meaningful way. The Fall of Communism could have been a chance for a new Russia focused on its status as a European power instead of opposed to the West based on economics and “democracy,” but instead they retreated back into cronyism and Soviet nostalgia when NATO pushed them away for fighting separatists.
That was most likely impossible. You have to take into account that Russia (even this mangled and toned down version) has twice the population of Germany, and before the fall of the SU, it had the third largest economy and probably the largest army in history. If they entered the EU/it's alternate reality equivalent, they would have been bumping heads with the germans, french and brits constantly.

The european powers are only in cooperation because Germany could reliably call all the shots there (and now they are losing that position to France) since after the end of WW2, and even then this fact led to the second largest economy in the bloc to leave. If Russia turned democratic, they would have been in a fight aganist the nascent EU for control over the spoils of the old Varsaw Pact, like how everyone pre-WW1 was scrambling to control the new countries in the balkans
 
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Even ignoring how sending Lenin and his cronies secretly to sabotage Russia wound up backfiring horribly on his own people, I will forever resent Wilhelm II for preventing the full flowering of the Russian Romantics.
I'm going to blow your mind when I tell you who funded and sent Trotsky to Russia before the revolution
 
This is like saying that the average british man is a chav, I think that you are reaching
You go to the British countryside, you find quaint villages, nice, clean homes, clean environment, cozy shit.
You go to the Russian countryside, you find the 80s Soviet Era.
Even in colonial times, wherever the Brits went, they were far more advanced than any tribal society they'd go to.
Meanwhile wherever you'd find a pack of ruski svolochi living in their hoods like white nigger rats, even in advanced countries, they're the most tribal, arrogant assholes you can imagine.
I am not reaching.
That was most likely impossible. You have to take into account that Russia (even this mangled and toned down version) has twice the population of Germany
Doesn't matter. Germany has a slightly better birth rate and comparing living conditions between the two would quickly turn into a joke.
, and before the fall of the SU, it had the third largest economy
That didn't work and everyone was poor. Saw it for myself.
and probably the largest army in history.
That was impoverished, untrained, undisciplined and serving in it was a coin toss between heaven and hell. Can't attest to that myself, but I can find who can by going outside and finding any man over 50.
 
Little China won't change one bit without outside intervention
Little China is surprisingly pro-Taiwan, as the Jiang government did a lot of outreach. Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan and she represents the most ethnically Chinese constituency of the USA.
I'm going to blow your mind when I tell you who funded and sent Trotsky to Russia before the revolution
Go on? I want to learn more about the great tragedy.
 
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