Proof that Catholicism is true

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@Jacob Harrison I stumbled upon this thread today and I couldn't help but notice most of your "proof" that Catholicism is the true faith comes from large groups of people beginning to behave differently than expected because of an event. I have to wonder if you've cross-examined your evidence with other instences of hysteria religious or not, and seen that they were similar? (I.e. the Salem Witch Trials or the Dancing Plague of 1518 ). You can believe whatever you want I generally stay out of people's business about that but if you want to convert a group of people, using evidence that has examples outside of Catholicism is a really poor way to be convincing.
 
FitBitch said:
@Jacob Harrison I stumbled upon this thread today and I couldn't help but notice most of your "proof" that Catholicism is the true faith comes from large groups of people beginning to behave differently than expected because of an event. I have to wonder if you've cross-examined your evidence with other instences of hysteria religious or not, and seen that they were similar? (I.e. the Salem Witch Trials or the Dancing Plague of 1518 ). You can believe whatever you want I generally stay out of people's business about that but if you want to convert a group of people, using evidence that has examples outside of Catholicism is a really poor way to be convincing.
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That is a good point, but cases of mass hysteria did not cause people in a region to change religions like in the incident in Silvuna Lithuania when the Virgin Mary converted a Protestant town to Catholicism.
 
Jacob Harrison said:
That is a good point, but cases of mass hysteria did not cause people in a region to change religions like in the incident in Silvuna Lithuania when the Virgin Mary converted a Protestant town to Catholicism.
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Oh you're one of those...
 
Jacob Harrison said:
those what?
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Look if we don't have evidence of the event besides the written word of those that were there (pics or it didn't happen kind of thing) and it caused a large amount of people to change their behavior (such as their belief system) what can we conclude but that it was hysteria? The Virgin Mary told a couple peasant kids in Spain that the sky was going to do something crazy on a certain date and that day several reports said the sun bounced erratically around the sky and changed color. Everyone claims they saw this but none of their reports agree with each other on the actual behavior of the sun. This is an example of a Catholic related hysteria not unlike your other examples. If you can't differentiate this instance from your other examples in your next post I'm bound for hell because you're no good at critical thought. If you can, you'll make a convert out of me.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
 
@Jacob Harrison
Your atrocious, plagaristic fan-fiction is like a perfect compression of everything wrong with your evangelism. If you aren't a troll, you are genuinely so stupid that there's no effective difference.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
@Jacob Harrison
Your atrocious, plagaristic fan-fiction is like a perfect compression of everything wrong with your evangelism. If you aren't a troll, you are genuinely so stupid that there's no effective difference.
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I have an ultimate confession. While I believe that Catholicism is the true religion, I converted in 2017 and haven’t yet joined the Church. My parents and I since my childhood go to a Protestant Congregationalist Church. My father was actually christened in an Orthodox Church, and my maternal grandfather was raised Catholic but converted to Protestantism and raised his children Protestant.

I converted because Catholicism was the religion in Medieval England. I plan on joining the Church after I graduate college. So if I have any errors in theology, it is because I haven’t been fully educated on Catholic doctrine.
 
Jacob Harrison said:
I converted because Catholicism was the religion in Medieval England. I plan on joining the Church after I graduate college. So if I have any errors in theology, it is because I haven’t been fully educated on Catholic doctrine.
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Okay so not only are you a Bible-thumping weirdo, you're also a fucking poseur 20-something who glommed onto papism because it's the based and redpilled religion all those badass knights followed in medieval times. No wonder your fan-fiction is such shit.
 
Jacob Harrison said:
I have an ultimate confession. While I believe that Catholicism is the true religion, I converted in 2017 and haven’t yet joined the Church. My parents and I since my childhood go to a Protestant Congregationalist Church. My father was actually christened in an Orthodox Church, and my maternal grandfather was raised Catholic but converted to Protestantism and raised his children Protestant.

I converted because Catholicism was the religion in Medieval England. I plan on joining the Church after I graduate college. So if I have any errors in theology, it is because I haven’t been fully educated on Catholic doctrine.
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Firstly, if you are converting solely because of an aesthetic fascination with the Church, you are converting for a reason that will contaminate your communion with the Almighty. Attend the adult faith study group at your local Catholic Church. Confess you are not baptized in the Church, but want to learn more of Catholicism with the goal of conversion. A few weeks studying the faith with the laity and a priest is worth far more than CatholicAnswers.
Secondly, if you are not even a member of the Church, you should not be trying to evangelize, because, as your example supremely illustrates, your ignorance and foolishness will corrupt the doctrine and reduce it into something that will push others away from the Church, rather than draw them towards it.
 
Jacob Harrison said:
I converted because Catholicism was the religion in Medieval England. I plan on joining the Church after I graduate college. So if I have any errors in theology, it is because I haven’t been fully educated on Catholic doctrine.
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Senior Lexmechanic said:
Secondly, if you are not even a member of the Church, you should not be trying to evangelize, because, as your example supremely illustrates, your ignorance and foolishness will corrupt the doctrine and reduce it into something that will push others away from the Church, rather than draw them towards it.
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For example, as promised, you lost me. M8 if anyone ever manages to get me to join the faith now it certainly won't be you. You come in here with not even half the knowledge or credentials you should have, to a shit posting gossip forum, basically make your own lolcow thread, in the hopes of achieving what?

I'm not a Catholic but I'm no biblical laymen either. The disciples who tried to cast out demons in the name of Jesus without prayer and fasting beforehand were unprepared, weak in their faith, and failed, this caused the Pharisees to not only question the divinity of the disciples but Jesus himself. You've wasted a lot of time and ultimately done more harm to your cause then you're ever going to be able to repair.

Thanks for posting you shite fanfic. Gave me a chuckle.
 
Jacob Harrison said:
I have an ultimate confession. While I believe that Catholicism is the true religion, I converted in 2017 and haven’t yet joined the Church. My parents and I since my childhood go to a Protestant Congregationalist Church. My father was actually christened in an Orthodox Church, and my maternal grandfather was raised Catholic but converted to Protestantism and raised his children Protestant.

I converted because Catholicism was the religion in Medieval England. I plan on joining the Church after I graduate college. So if I have any errors in theology, it is because I haven’t been fully educated on Catholic doctrine.
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I'm not surprised, religious fanaticism amongst the modern laity is about as distinctly un-Catholic as is possible to get; the curse of the convert, always with more fire than those who were raised to see it from the start. I'm not saying this to critique you, I'm guilty of it as an atheist, I feel far more hostility towards theism than those who've grown up knowing from day one the faults of it.

However, I would appreciate some insight, Jacob. I remember you telling me both of your parents, especially your father, were very devout and your mother was a Catholic teacher. What denominations do they follow, and if they are Catholic when did they convert?

As an aside, the residents of England throughout the ages (even during Roman times onwards) have been historically notorious for at the very best being indifferent to religion. If you look at the back and forth between Protestants and Catholics over the years, it's nearly always the top portions of society scrapping over it rather than the grassroots who post the Tudor era (and even then, not as much as you'd expect since most people just wanted a quiet life) generally didn't give a shit.

There are Europeans like the Italians and Irish to whom faith and culture were one and the same for a time, but if you want to be English; being religious is about as far away from the most common English traits and culture both historically and today as you can get.

If you'd like proof, take a look at how many of your beloved British Monarchs are saints, blessed or official servants of God (Catholic or Anglican, take your pick) against a nation with a good deal more such as France. Edward the Confessor was the freak exception, not the norm.
 
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I'm not surprised, religious fanaticism amongst the modern laity is about as distinctly un-Catholic as is possible to get; the curse of the convert, always with more fire than those who were raised to see it from the start. I'm not saying this to critique you, I'm guilty of it as an atheist, I feel far more hostility towards theism than those who've grown up knowing from day one the faults of it.

However, I would appreciate some insight, Jacob. I remember you telling me both of your parents, especially your father, were very devout and your mother was a Catholic teacher. What denominations do they follow, and if they are Catholic when did they convert?


As I said in my previous comment, my dad was born into an Orthodox Church. My paternal grandfather is Orthodox but my paternal grandmother is from a Protestant background. He therefore picked up her Protestantism

My maternal grandfather was raised Catholic but he converted to Protestantism which was psychologically because he had an abusive father. He and my Protestant maternal grandmother raised their children Protestant. My mom became irreligious when she was in college but she regained her faith when she had my older brother and I.

My parents and I go to a Congregational Church which is a type of Protestant Church in the United States that is independently run by the Congregation. There is a board of Elders and there was a senior pastor but he resigned due to a scandal involving adultery, so the Church is still looking for a new pastor. In the meantime, the sermons are given by associate pastors and guest speakers.

There is a general order to service with a call to worship, a hymn, a scripture reading, another hymn, a prayer, an offering where we give money to the church, a sermon, a final prayer, a final hymn, and then a benediction. At the first Sunday of every month, the church takes "communion" where we are given crackers and grape juice. I have the word communion in quotes because I know that an Eucharist is only valid when administered by a priest.

Most of the hymns are played on an organ and the whole congregation sings them. They are generally Protestant songs from the 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s.

Despite their Protestantism, my parents are ok with me becoming Catholic because they are glad I'm still Christian. I got baptized by the Congregational Church in October 2018 so that in case I die, I have a chance of being saved. However, I later realized that since I was baptized, I now need to confess every mortal sin committed since my baptism when I join the Catholic Church which stresses me out because I feel embarrassed to tell the priest details of my masturbation fantasies involving women in jeans.
As an aside, the residents of England throughout the ages (even during Roman times onwards) have been historically notorious for at the very best being indifferent to religion. If you look at the back and forth between Protestants and Catholics over the years, it's nearly always the top portions of society scrapping over it rather than the grassroots who post the Tudor era (and even then, not as much as you'd expect since most people just wanted a quiet life) generally didn't give a shit.

There are Europeans like the Italians and Irish to whom faith and culture were one and the same for a time, but if you want to be English; being religious is about as far away from the most common English traits and culture both historically and today as you can get.

If you'd like proof, take a look at how many of your beloved British Monarchs are saints, blessed or official servants of God (Catholic or Anglican, take your pick) against a nation with a good deal more such as France. Edward the Confessor was the freak exception, not the norm.
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In Medieval England, there was a strong cult of St. Thomas Becket and many went on pilgrimages to his tomb showing the strong religious devotion of the Medieval English. Richard the Lionheart went on a Holy Crusade.
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Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
Hey OP, how do you feel knowing that Catholicism isn't even the real Church, and is just a breakaway from Eastern Orthodoxy?
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As I said in an earlier comment, the quotes from the Church fathers show that the opposite is the case.
Jacob Harrison said:
You made a good point. Anyway, the Catholic Church is the oldest church because the so called Orthodox Church broke away from the Catholic Church in the 11th century despite the fact that the authority of the Pope has been recognized by the Church fathers. https://www.catholic.com/tract/the-authority-of-the-pope-part-i
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Jacob Harrison said:
My maternal grandfather was raised Catholic but he converted to Protestantism which was psychologically because he had an abusive father. He and my Protestant maternal grandmother raised their children Protestant. My mom became irreligious when she was in college but she regained her faith when she had my older brother and I.

My parents and I go to a Congregational Church which is a type of Protestant Church in the United States that is independently run by the Congregation. There is a board of Elders and there was a senior pastor but he resigned due to a scandal involving adultery, so the Church is still looking for a new pastor. In the meantime, the sermons are given by associate pastors and guest speakers.

There is a general order to service with a call to worship, a hymn, a scripture reading, another hymn, a prayer, an offering where we give money to the church, a sermon, a final prayer, a final hymn, and then a benediction. At the first Sunday of every month, the church takes "communion" where we are given crackers and grape juice. I have the word communion in quotes because I know that an Eucharist is only valid when administered by a priest.
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Very informative, thank you for sharing Jacob. I mean it sincerely. It helps me to understand.

Jacob Harrison said:
Most of the hymns are played on an organ and the whole congregation sings them. They are generally Protestant songs from the 1700s, 1800s, and 1900s.
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This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Cardinal Wiseman, a leading figure in bringing Catholicism back to Britain, strongly encouraged the use of Protestant hymns because there was a significant lack of suitable material to be translated into English. For the most part historically, there wasn't anything too objectionable and many are still in regular use in the Catholic hymnals in the English speaking world today as they were before Vatican II.

It's far less pronounced, but it is still a "problem" in the Catholic system today. There are very high ranking Clerics and Catholic writers with a strong grasp of English, but the vast overwhelming majority of Catholic literature remains in Spanish and Italian and relatively little of this trove of material is ultimately translated outside of it.

It's not a restriction, it's just the Catholic Church has for several centuries held relatively little influence in the Anglosphere and there still isn't really a demand for the products.

Learning Italian is an essential skill for a cleric or theologian of ambition.


Jacob Harrison said:
Despite their Protestantism, my parents are ok with me becoming Catholic because they are glad I'm still Christian. I got baptized by the Congregational Church in October 2018 so that in case I die, I have a chance of being saved. However, I later realized that since I was baptized, I now need to confess every mortal sin committed since my baptism when I join the Catholic Church which stresses me out because I feel embarrassed to tell the priest details of my masturbation fantasies involving women in jeans.
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I just wanted to focus on this last bit here.

You don't have to do this. Something like "I have had frequent impure thoughts father and have acted upon them" may sound vague but is perfectly acceptable. Your confession is to Jesus in the person of the priest, a deity who allegedly sees, knows all and understands what you're talking about. The priest himself, on the other hand, just needs to know the nature of your sin and doesn't need a blow by blow of what arouses you.

There are priests who overstep this, but that is exactly what they are doing and the vast majority do not. Going into embarrassing minute details of your sex life would come under "Spiritual Counselling"; this is a service any ordained priest can offer (but is not obliged to, not all of them feel comfortable doing, want or can spend the time this deeply invested in a single person).

You're not obliged to tell your priest your fetishes or how exactly you have committed sins of the flesh; some choose to nonetheless to clarify in case the priest thinks they're sleeping around instead of just jerking off but there's no requirement to achieve absolution.

The only time a priest will have cause to probe deeper and ask for specifics in a confessional is if he thinks you've somehow obtained or facilitated an abortion which can only be absolved by the Pope or select Bishops he has delegated that authority to. They won't even pry into murder, because they're forbidden on pain of eternal damnation to report whatever they learn about in confessional. They try purposefully to be as ignorant as practiceable so they can't be held responsible by the authorities.
 
Every time I read this dude's posts, I just hear Mr. Mackey doing his, "Drugs are bad, mmmkay" line.
 
As an catholic myself , it is entirely useless to try and convert people on Kiwifarms into Catholicism.
And this goes for every religion too and any branch of religions too.
 
You're all crazy. The real Church is the Western Branch of American Reformed Presto Lutheranism.
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