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After reading this entire thread I've come to the conclusion that I'd rather go back to worshipping cats and ancient furries. At least cats physically show me they care or not
Nah dog, you gotta get on the Ra train. Do you deny the sun provides us with our sustenance and life giving warmth? Can you deny the bright ball of light we see every day?

I've seen the sun, like... so many times I've lost count. And if I look at it too long, its brilliance hurts my eyes. On the other hand, I've never seen even a single jesus or god, and the pictures of jesus never hurt my eyes.
 
You reused the same insult, stupid.

Children were born with original sin, AKA the knowledge of good and evil, you absolute exceptional individual, while Adam and Eve weren't even born. So your experience as a child is irrelevant. Why wouldn't Adam and Eve take the talking magic snake as a parental figure as much as god?

Now up your shitposting game turdnugget, and if you use the word "tier" again you're going to prove you need a lolcow thread.
Yes children were born with original sin, does that mean a baby can differentiate between good and evil? A child is basically the chinese room experiment they process inputs without understanding the underlying functions. Even if they do have some concept of morality it isn't because it's something they worked out, its because their parents said don't do x.

You keep going back to the same thing but it's just patently false because Adam acts as the voice of reason in the parable, saying No Roastie this is a bad idea God will be mad. He clearly understands the snake as the devil, in the same way a child understands that a stranger that comes up to them is unwelcome. 1488 gang gang

Christianity is a sect of Judaism
No it ain't the other guy who is leader of my fan club wrote something along the lines of this too very stupidly.Christ gave "god's chosen" the ability to repent and join him in salvation and they betrayed him. Those who were jews who converted are no longer jews, and the jews left behind are demonic and hate christ and whitey.

revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Thessalonians 2.14-16 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of the churches of God in Christ Jesus that are in Judea, for you suffered the same things from your own compatriots as they did from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and drove us out; they displease God and oppose everyone by hindering us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. Thus they have constantly been filling up the measure of their sins; but God’s wrath has overtaken them at last.
 
Initially yes, but it was widened by Gregory to the whole world. The same way many other bulls have been earlier in history. I've since noticed this is even cited on Wikipedias article on the subject, so I know you've seen this and are just choosing to ignore it because it doesn't align with your own belief. It was enforced on the whole church under a later pontificate and further built upon by Leo XIII.

Reorum only echoed the article once again. The Church did not like Capitalism or Republicanism until it realised it was the best deal it was going to get with the fall of the final absolute monarchies.
I will do research to see if there are Catholic explanations on Vix Pervenit.
Every Pope during and since Vatican II has commanded Catholics on pain of schism (i.e: Eternal damnation as punishment for it) to accept its teachings, this is why the SPPX were cast out and have been excommunicated for so long.

Vatican II has been declared by every single one of them as Valid. The only way it could be proved invalid was if a future Pope said so....The very same way Francis could declare Trent invalid if he ever so wished to.

There's no way to prove if a council or a decree is valid until a pope says it isn't. As of now, it's valid. It's one aspect of why Infalliability is nonsensical. Not only because there are multiple examples of Popes contradicting each other while teaching to the whole church, but because you just have to assume this time a Pope is right without any way of knowing until the next guy says otherwise.
Vatican II was not infallible because all it did was make reforms in church practices. It did not declare new doctrine concerning faith or morals. The SSPX were not excommunicated for not accepting Vatican II's teachings, they were excommunicated in 1988 because Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without papal approval. Many within the society opposed Lefebvre's actions and founded the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, a traditionalist Catholic organization that is in full communion with the church. So Catholics are allowed to reject Vatican II without being excommunicated.
 
I will do research to see if there are Catholic explanations on Vix Pervenit.

Vatican II was not infallible because all it did was make reforms in church practices. It did not declare new doctrine concerning faith or morals. The SSPX were not excommunicated for not accepting Vatican II's teachings, they were excommunicated in 1988 because Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops without papal approval. Many within the society opposed Lefebvre's actions and founded the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, a traditionalist Catholic organization that is in full communion with the church. So Catholics are allowed to reject Vatican II without being excommunicated.

I'm well aware of what the SSPX and God Emperor Lefebvre taught Jacob and of what lineage their clerics are, I'm guessing you didn't see the certificate I posted earlier in this thread. They are wrong, and do not hold all the faculties of a priest in good standing. Their sacrements of Holy Communion and Baptism along with the mass are "valid but illicit", but as part of Francis' gesture they can perform valid confessions. This will cease upon the end of his pontificate unless his successor chooses to extend it. They cannot perform last rites or marriages due to their schism with the Holy See.

The SSPX for all their sabre rattling and cries of Deus Vult has accepted the still-in-the-works "Hybrid Mass" said in the vernacular, and are slowly cowing to all the demands of Vatican II as their funds slowly dry up. They did expand well in Africa, but Africa is poor and unless Sugar Daddy Francis takes up their bills they're done for.

The SSPX are in schism. The Fraternity of Saint Peter is not, however the Fraternity of Saint Peter does accept Vatican II and is condemned by the SSPX for it.
 
I'm well aware of what the SSPX and God Emperor Lefebvre taught Jacob and of what lineage their clerics are, I'm guessing you didn't see the certificate I posted earlier in this thread. They are wrong, and do not hold all the faculties of a priest in good standing. Their sacrements of Holy Communion and Baptism along with the mass are "valid but illicit", but as part of Francis' gesture they can perform valid confessions. This will cease upon the end of his pontificate unless his successor chooses to extend it. They cannot perform last rites or marriages due to their schism with the Holy See.

The SSPX for all their sabre rattling and cries of Deus Vult has accepted the still-in-the-works "Hybrid Mass" said in the vernacular, and are slowly cowing to all the demands of Vatican II as their funds slowly dry up. They did expand well in Africa, but Africa is poor and unless Sugar Daddy Francis takes up their bills they're done for.

The SSPX are in schism. The Fraternity of Saint Peter is not, however the Fraternity of Saint Peter does accept Vatican II and is condemned by the SSPX for it.
I'm well aware of what the SSPX and God Emperor Lefebvre taught Jacob and of what lineage their clerics are, I'm guessing you didn't see the certificate I posted earlier in this thread. They are wrong, and do not hold all the faculties of a priest in good standing. Their sacrements of Holy Communion and Baptism along with the mass are "valid but illicit", but as part of Francis' gesture they can perform valid confessions. This will cease upon the end of his pontificate unless his successor chooses to extend it. They cannot perform last rites or marriages due to their schism with the Holy See.

The SSPX for all their sabre rattling and cries of Deus Vult has accepted the still-in-the-works "Hybrid Mass" said in the vernacular, and are slowly cowing to all the demands of Vatican II as their funds slowly dry up. They did expand well in Africa, but Africa is poor and unless Sugar Daddy Francis takes up their bills they're done for.

The SSPX are in schism. The Fraternity of Saint Peter is not, however the Fraternity of Saint Peter does accept Vatican II and is condemned by the SSPX for it.
But the SSPX is no longer excommunicated, so while they have irregular status, being a member of it does not cause damnation.

Also, you said that you will tell me the specific chapter in the book that mentions the important highlights such as the different Pope's statements on fetus's souls.
 
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But the SSPX is no longer excommunicated, so while they have irregular status, being a member of it does not cause damnation.

Also, you said that you will tell me the specific chapters in the book that mention the important highlights such as the different Pope's statements on Fetus's souls.

Ah. Now that is misleading.

Several high ranking members are no longer excommunicated, such as Fellay (an act that led to the SSPX themselves having a schism leading to the SSPX remnant). That does not mean all the laity and clergy are back in communion. Some of the younger clergy and laity raised within the SSPX are in irregular communion (it depends mostly if they've given much thought to condemning Vatican II or not), the vast majority of the older members are still excommunicated.

A Catholic who goes from the Novus Ordo Latin Rite (That is, "normal" Catholic Mass) to an SSPX Chapel risks both the sins of scandal and schism depending....On their mindset (I'm not kidding). If they go because they believe the SSPX mass is somehow better or more valid than a Novus Ordo one, they're excommunicated. If they go because they don't accept Vatican II, they're excommunicated. If they go because they can't feasibly get to a normal Church or because they were born into the SSPX...That one more grey, but is mostly held as acceptable. That's where they could be irregular, but still in partial communion but it's very narrow criteria.

As for the Fetus it's discussed in Book 1 of the 1994 edition, but I'm told it's stretched further across Books 1 and 2 in the earlier one.
 
Ah. Now that is misleading.

Several high ranking members are no longer excommunicated, such as Fellay (an act that led to the SSPX themselves having a schism leading to the SSPX remnant). That does not mean all the laity and clergy are back in communion. Some of the younger clergy and laity raised within the SSPX are in irregular communion (it depends mostly if they've given much thought to condemning Vatican II or not), the vast majority of the older members are still excommunicated.

A Catholic who goes from the Novus Ordo Latin Rite (That is, "normal" Catholic Mass) to an SSPX Chapel risks both the sins of scandal and schism depending....On their mindset (I'm not kidding). If they go because they believe the SSPX mass is somehow better or more valid than a Novus Ordo one, they're excommunicated. If they go because they don't accept Vatican II, they're excommunicated. If they go because they can't feasibly get to a normal Church or because they were born into the SSPX...That one more grey, but is mostly held as acceptable. That's where they could be irregular, but still in partial communion but it's very narrow criteria.

As for the Fetus it's discussed in Book 1 of the 1994 edition, but I'm told it's stretched further across Books 1 and 2 in the earlier one.
According to the Wikipedia article on the Canonical situation of the SSPX, the excommunications of the SSPX bishops did not extend to the other SSPX members. But while I am traditionalist, I only support what the SSPX were doing up until Lefebrve commited schism in 1988 so I will not attend a SSPX mass and while I wish I could go to a traditionalist church in good standing with the Vatican, there aren’t any close by so I have to attend the Novus Ordo Mass.
 
According to the Wikipedia article on the Canonical situation of the SSPX, the excommunications of the SSPX bishops did not extend to the other SSPX members.

Not all ex-communications need a formal decree from the Vatican or to be done "By Book and By Crook". When someone commits a mortal sin they're said to have incurred a Latae sententiae excommunication. It means they excommunicated themselves, but this can be restored by confession. They don't necessarily need to be sorry for it (That would be perfect contrition if they felt sorrow for offending God), but merely fearing hell (Imperfect Contrition) is adequate to be restored.

Most of the older SSPX members would have at one point been members of Mainstream/Novus Ordo Latin Rite parishes, and have migrated from that rite to the SSPX. If they shunned the Novus Ordo in favour of the SSPX for theological reasons like not accepting Vatican II, they would be excommunicate. Younger ones (attending SSPX at all at one time was mortal sin, not now) who attend because it's all they've ever known? That wouldn't incur it.

But while I am traditionalist, I only support what the SSPX were doing up until Lefebvre committed schism in 1988 so I will not attend a SSPX mass and while I wish I could go to a traditionalist church in good standing with the Vatican, there aren’t any close by so I have to attend the Novus Ordo Mass.

They're both equally valid in the eyes of the Vatican, so it meets the requirements. If you want a more "smells and bells" experience, modern Latin Rite parishes do sometimes offer Latin Mass depending on demand in the area (You could check with the Latin Mass society for your country, or State if yours has one). Alternatively, the US is rather unique in that many other Eastern Rites such as the Byzantine, Ruthenian etc all operate within Latin Rite dioceses. The rites aren't necessarily as old as the Tridentine, some are really quite modern, but the rejection of the vernacular tends to make it popular among traditionalists without access to a Latin mass.
 
@Fagatron I have been looking at the chapters, and so far, I haven't found the parts that mention historical examples such as the different Pope's statements on fetus' souls. It might not be in the edition I'm reading. So can you explain how the different Popes allegedly made ex cathedra statements on fetuses that contradict each other? What are the other historical examples that you remember from that edition. In a debate I had, someone mentioned the Galileo controversy, but that was done by the church tribunal. The pope himself never made an ex cathedra statement condemning Galileo. I also learned about the fact that Pope Sixtus V did a poor translation of the Latin Vulgate. However as I said before, he died before he officially proclaimed his botched translation to be the official bible of the church, which indicates that God had him die before he could teach error.
 
@Fagatron I did research on the Popes alleged contradictions of fetuses, and according to commenters on Catholic Answers forums, the only sites that mention it are anti catholic sites. https://forums.catholic.com/t/papal-contradictions-on-abortion/47552/4 Furthermore, the RationalWiki article on papal infallibility doesn’t have citations when mentioning the different Pope’s statements on fetuses. Are there contemporary sources on their statements?
 
I'm not ignoring you @Jacob Harrison I've just had a busy day and it's the early hours where I am right now. I'll get my sources together once I'm up with a clear head.

To be fair, Catholic Answers as an apostolate is beholden to only portray the Church in a good light. If you google "Catholic Answers Banned" you'll see people get banned for everything from winning public debates to sharing breaking news example of abuses. It's fairly rare someone gets banned for trolling. Even among Traditionalist Catholic sites with a far more hardline interpretation like FishEaters, TradInfo and Suscipe Domine you'll find widespread critique of how defensive the "Liberal" Catholic Answers is.

By the Catholic definition, anything that doesn't 100% agree with the current party line (including reporting sex abuse) is "Anti Catholic" and "Atheistic/Secularist/Democrat hate" so I'll take that with a pinch of salt.
 
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Alright here we go. I apologise for the wait, think I'm coming down with something.

@Fagatron I have been looking at the chapters, and so far, I haven't found the parts that mention historical examples such as the different Pope's statements on fetus' souls. It might not be in the edition I'm reading.

I've only read the 1994 edition but the contents, new additions aside, should be the same. All that was changed was instead of going through things by type of controversy he went through them chronologically.

So can you explain how the different Popes allegedly made ex cathedra statements on fetuses that contradict each other? What are the other historical examples that you remember from that edition.
@Fagatron I did research on the Popes alleged contradictions of fetuses, and according to commenters on Catholic Answers forums, the only sites that mention it are anti catholic sites. https://forums.catholic.com/t/papal-contradictions-on-abortion/47552/4 Furthermore, the RationalWiki article on papal infallibility doesn’t have citations when mentioning the different Pope’s statements on fetuses. Are there contemporary sources on their statements?

I'm not suprised RationalWiki has an article on it. It's one of the more easily verified examples of dogmatic contradiction and has been mentioned in TV shows like CSI before. I've also already commented on Catholic Answers and their policing of wrongthink.

As for Catholic commentary on abortion over the ages....

St. Jerome (4th century) wrote in a letter to Aglasia: "The seed gradually takes shape in the uterus, and it [abortion] does not count as killing until the individual elements have acquired their external appearance and their limbs"

Penitentials prior to the 10th century (they were most popular during the 7th) in the West were a convenient way for Catholics to recieve penance if/when clergy were not available to prescribe it. The most "serious" sexual sins like oral intercourse required between several years and a lifetime of penance as punishment....Wheras abortion was fairly consistently only given one hundered and twenty days penance. It clearly was not seen as severe.

Pope Stephen V (887 AD, Epistle to the Archbishop of Mainz): "If he who destroys what is conceived in the womb by abortion is a murderer, how much more is he unable to excuse himself of murder who kills a child even one day old".

Thomas Aquinas (13th Century): He's the best known propoment of the "Quickening" test within the Summa Theologica (the literal Theology handbook of the Catholic Church) to test when a fetus was "ensouled". Only the abortion of an "animated" fetus as murder.

This position was held consistently until Pope Sixtus V declared within Effraenatam (158 8) which threatened those who recieved or carried out abortions at any stage of pregnancy with excommunication and the death penalty.This was revoked immediatly by Pope Gregory XIV as heretical (because claiming the quickening test was false amounted to accusing the chief Catholic theologian of heresy, the Church had not accepted aspects of Aquinas writing were heretical yet). He reinstated the "quickening" test among several other changes pertaining to abortion in Sedes Apostolicae, which he determined happened 116 days into pregnancy. Gregory XVI did consider abortion to be a sin, but certainly not murder and a far lesser one than fornication or sodomy (the Church today still does consider climxing outside the vagina worse than abortion, one of the "sins that cry to heaven for vengence").

This arragement more or less carried on until Pope Pius IX dropped the distinction between an animated and inanimated fetus in his writing (the lesser punishment for abortion never changed until the release of the revised cannon code of law in 1917, and further clarified in 1983), and it wasn't until as late as the 19th century that Leo XIII declared abortion in as always mortally sinful without exception, even to save the life of the mother when the infant has no hope of surival (In statements on specific cases in 1884, 1885, 1886 and 1889, the Catholic Church confirmed its view that a pregnant woman must not be saved from death when she and her child would otherwise both die. This was confirmed in 1930 in Pius XI's Casti connubii. If you can get a copy of Uta Ranke-Heinemann's, Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven, I suggest you read his commentary on pages 271-2)

I hope that last bit strikes you as interesting, because the Church today does believe that abortion as a side affect of medical treatment for the mother is permissible.


In a debate I had, someone mentioned the Galileo controversy, but that was done by the church tribunal. The pope himself never made an ex cathedra statement condemning Galileo.

Not all statements to be held with Catholic faith need to come from the Pope. The American Bishops for instance have declared it is a mortal sin to eat meat on a Friday as highlighted elsewhere.

The Holy Office (A.K.A: The Doctrine of the Congregation of the Faith, formerly known as the Inquisition) declared belief in the Copernician model of the Earth was heresy. This wasn't a short term thing and as late as the 1800's "belief" in Uranus (at the time, the "Gregorian Star") was mortal sin and all books describing it were on the Index of Forbidden Books.

Of course in practice Catholics in more advanced societies like France and England just ignored this, but in Italy you would be charged for heresy.

The Pope doesn't have to personally go around and declare in each country if it's a sin to eat meat on Friday or if women may serve the altar or not, his delegates have some power to set disciplines as they please for the most part.

I also learned about the fact that Pope Sixtus V did a poor translation of the Latin Vulgate. However as I said before, he died before he officially proclaimed his botched translation to be the official bible of the church, which indicates that God had him die before he could teach error.

The same deity that used to appear before mortals and ask them to change their ways like Saul seems to have backslid back into defaulting to murder as the answer relativley quickly.

The point in that story is that while Sixtus was alive, his translation was "Infalliable" and he insisted it was. The next person who came along insisted that it wasn't.

That's not a miracle Jacob, that's contradiction. There's literally nothing stopping Francis coming out tomorrow and declaring Trent to be invalid, because if those words leave his lips it is. Until the next Pope cares to contradict him in turn.

That's not infalliability, that's just absolute elective monarchy.

Many of us arent atheists because we need the "Good News" shared with us Jacob or to see the light. It's because we've seen rather a bit too much of it to buy into the illusion of continuity.
 
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Alright here we go. I apologise for the wait, think I'm coming down with something.



I've only read the 1994 edition but the contents, new additions aside, should be the same. All that was changed was instead of going through things by type of controversy he went through them chronologically.




I'm not suprised RationalWiki has an article on it. It's one of the more easily verified examples of dogmatic contradiction and has been mentioned in TV shows like CSI before. I've also already commented on Catholic Answers and their policing of wrongthink.

As for Catholic commentary on abortion over the ages....

St. Jerome (4th century) wrote in a letter to Aglasia: "The seed gradually takes shape in the uterus, and it [abortion] does not count as killing until the individual elements have acquired their external appearance and their limbs"

Penitentials prior to the 10th century (they were most popular during the 7th) in the West were a convenient way for Catholics to recieve penance if/when clergy were not available to prescribe it. The most "serious" sexual sins like oral intercourse required between several years and a lifetime of penance as punishment....Wheras abortion was fairly consistently only given one hundered and twenty days penance. It clearly was not seen as severe.

Pope Stephen V (887 AD, Epistle to the Archbishop of Mainz): "If he who destroys what is conceived in the womb by abortion is a murderer, how much more is he unable to excuse himself of murder who kills a child even one day old".

Thomas Aquinas (13th Century): He's the best known propoment of the "Quickening" test within the Summa Theologica (the literal Theology handbook of the Catholic Church) to test when a fetus was "ensouled". Only the abortion of an "animated" fetus as murder.

This position was held consistently until Pope Sixtus V declared within Effraenatam (158 8) which threatened those who recieved or carried out abortions at any stage of pregnancy with excommunication and the death penalty.This was revoked immediatly by Pope Gregory XIV as heretical (because claiming the quickening test was false amounted to accusing the chief Catholic theologian of heresy, the Church had not accepted aspects of Aquinas writing were heretical yet). He reinstated the "quickening" test among several other changes pertaining to abortion in Sedes Apostolicae, which he determined happened 116 days into pregnancy. Gregory XVI did consider abortion to be a sin, but certainly not murder and a far lesser one than fornication or sodomy (the Church today still does consider climxing outside the vagina worse than abortion, one of the "sins that cry to heaven for vengence").

This arragement more or less carried on until Pope Pius IX dropped the distinction between an animated and inanimated fetus in his writing (the lesser punishment for abortion never changed until the release of the revised cannon code of law in 1917, and further clarified in 1983), and it wasn't until as late as the 19th century that Leo XIII declared abortion in as always mortally sinful without exception, even to save the life of the mother when the infant has no hope of surival (In statements on specific cases in 1884, 1885, 1886 and 1889, the Catholic Church confirmed its view that a pregnant woman must not be saved from death when she and her child would otherwise both die. This was confirmed in 1930 in Pius XI's Casti connubii. If you can get a copy of Uta Ranke-Heinemann's, Eunuchs for the Kingdom of Heaven, I suggest you read his commentary on pages 271-2)

I hope that last bit strikes you as interesting, because the Church today does believe that abortion as a side affect of medical treatment for the mother is permissible.




Not all statements to be held with Catholic faith need to come from the Pope. The American Bishops for instance have declared it is a mortal sin to eat meat on a Friday as highlighted elsewhere.

The Holy Office (A.K.A: The Doctrine of the Congregation of the Faith, formerly known as the Inquisition) declared belief in the Copernician model of the Earth was heresy. This wasn't a short term thing and as late as the 1800's "belief" in Uranus (at the time, the "Gregorian Star") was mortal sin and all books describing it were on the Index of Forbidden Books.

Of course in practice Catholics in more advanced societies like France and England just ignored this, but in Italy you would be charged for heresy.

The Pope doesn't have to personally go around and declare in each country if it's a sin to eat meat on Friday or if women may serve the altar or not, his delegates have some power to set disciplines as they please for the most part.



The same deity that used to appear before mortals and ask them to change their ways like Saul seems to have backslid back into defaulting to murder as the answer relativley quickly.

The point in that story is that while Sixtus was alive, his translation was "Infalliable" and he insisted it was. The next person who came along insisted that it wasn't.

That's not a miracle Jacob, that's contradiction. There's literally nothing stopping Francis coming out tomorrow and declaring Trent to be invalid, because if those words leave his lips it is. Until the next Pope cares to contradict him in turn.

That's not infalliability, that's just absolute elective monarchy.

Many of us arent atheists because we need the "Good News" shared with us Jacob or to see the light. It's because we've seen rather a bit too much of it to buy into the illusion of continuity.
Now you shown that the Popes contradicted each other on Fetuses. I am now having a spiritual crisis as this affects the doctrine of papal infallibility. Do you know if there are Catholic explanations about the Pope's contradictions?
 
Now you shown that the Popes contradicted each other on Fetuses. I am now having a spiritual crisis as this affects the doctrine of papal infallibility. Do you know if there are Catholic explanations about the Pope's contradictions?
Serious reply.

Visit Ann Barnhardt at www.barnhardt.biz and on the header is a link to a +2 hour video explaining that Heresiarch Jorge the Humble is not the real pople (and B16 is... while he's still alive, that is).
 
I was banned because I was falsely accused of promoting antisemitism which I wasn’t because I was only talking about the Jews in Spain.

I am not being judgemental, I am explaining the reason why it is our duty as Christians to convert others. Jesus Christ dying for our sins so that our souls can be saved is the meaning of Christianity.
Catholics and christians are two different bowls of fruit.
 
Serious reply.

Visit Ann Barnhardt at www.barnhardt.biz and on the header is a link to a +2 hour video explaining that Heresiarch Jorge the Humble is not the real pople (and B16 is... while he's still alive, that is).
I heard of that theory. That is because canon law says that a resignation under duress is not a valid resignation and many believe that Benedict XVI was forced to resign against his will.
 
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