Proof that Catholicism is true

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Jacob Harrison said:
Being made in the image of God means being the species that God chose to have a relationship with. Just because God does not have a relationship with animals, does not mean that they don't have immortal souls. And the bible commentary actually says that it is referring to literal animals.

Still a literal change in the relations of animals to man and each other, restoring the state in Eden, is a more likely interpretation
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So God could have had a special relationship with dogs or elephants and he chose us instead?

Lol what a fucking dumbass
 
Jacob Harrison said:
Being made in the image of God means being the species that God chose to have a relationship with. Just because God does not have a relationship with animals, does not mean that they don't have immortal souls. And the bible commentary actually says that it is referring to literal animals.

Still a literal change in the relations of animals to man and each other, restoring the state in Eden, is a more likely interpretation
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That site I linked covers both Protestant and Catholic interpretations of the bible, and you have selected the heretical portion. If you'd like the most recent commentary by the U.S Bishops you may find it here, and they affirm it is a non-literal statement upon the Davidic Kingship. http://www.usccb.org/bible/isaiah/11

Your beloved Catholic Answers likewise states that there is no, in their words, "Doggie Heaven" https://www.catholic.com/qa/do-animals-have-souls-like-human-beings.

Animals do not have immortal souls according to Catholic Tradition, they have material souls bound to their flesh that perishes upon death. This is in-keeping with ancient Jewish thought on the matter, however they went a step further and denied a human afterlife as well.

Being made in the image of God means just that, being made the closest to God. Older theologians would describe this in terms of sapience, but more modern ones shy away from it as it becomes more readily apparent animals actually do retain memories and display emotions.

This is why Catholicism does not recognise a concept of animal rights. Even in Laudato Si, a document by Francis affirming John Paul II's opinions on Environmentalism and Stewardship the Catholic Church affirms it is acceptable to use and experiment on animals. If they had an eternal aspect, this would not be allowed.

Catholicism is not a buffet Jacob, it's a set course meal.
 
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Jacob Harrison said:
1. I am the type of traditionalist Catholic who is not a sedevacantist heretic.
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Hahahahahah, repent heretic, you know you're wrong.
You were making a big show of how you were "teaching error" before, but now you've actually straight up admitted that you're engaged in heretical activities. How can you call yourself a member of the Catholic (universal) church if you're voluntarily fighting against its core tenants?
 
Splendid Meat Sticks said:
Hahahahahah, repent heretic, you know you're wrong.
You were making a big show of how you were "teaching error" before, but now you've actually straight up admitted that you're engaged in heretical activities. How can you call yourself a member of the Catholic (universal) church if you're voluntarily fighting against its core tenants?
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He said he wasn't sedevacantist. He has heretical views on other things, but this post isn't apt to mock him with RE: those.
 
He already thinks the Pope is a heretic and a communist. The Holy Spirit must be off on sabbatical again like when Julius III the gay pope and Alexander "orgy" VI got in.

I'm calling them both out for being kinky, but they were probably some of the better among a bad bunch tbh.
 
Uncanny Valley said:
Explain the little boy fucking now
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Back in the day homosexuals were ousted from society and the church said they would take them in if they committed to a life of faith. Being homosexuals though kid fucking and degeneracy are your right and left hand. The reality is the amount of kids molested by priests isn't particularly high, you're just dumb and consume too much media. It's about 2% which is the estimate of pedos in all rungs of society.

Now let's look somewhere else, maybe a propaganda center that outed the Catholic Church for the deeds of some faggot clergy men. Maybe a boy raping machine like Hollywood, or gee IDK how about Judaism as a whole. How about rabbis giving babies herpes because when they are sucking on their little dicks, woops got a cold sore!

You anti Christ fags are the worst.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
1. You have committed a first-order heresy against the Catholic Church and its doctrine by claiming visitation from spirits. The saints may appear in divine visions to relay messages from God, but the dead do not return to this world for any other reason. Ghosts are deceits by Satan and his angels to tempt mortals into witchcraft. If you are truly faithful, you would recant.
2. If a father is cruel and hateful to his child, ever punishing and torturing him, does the child still owe him love and obedience?
3. Everything regarding your statements RE: Purgatory would have been woefully outdated and in cases heretical 300 years ago. Your understanding of the Catholic faith is a shambol of various era's teachings and your own heretical beliefs meant to justify yourself. This is not your fault: it is the nature of the self to cling to things they desire, such as righteousness. But these things cannot truly satisfy. All things are transient. Your faith is transient, as is your body and mind and self. Even if you are right, the I that arises upon your death will not be the I you are: for how can it be? The soul without the mind and body is not the same thing as you, just as a wheel is not a chariot.
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1. The dead also
friends o' niall said:
So, what's your stance regarding the "Freemason-infiltrated" popes post-John XXIII? Are you one of those who maintain John Paul I was murdered to prevent him from steering the church back to their pre-Vatican II ways?
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I'll do more research on it, but his death was suspicious.
 
Fagatron said:
That site I linked covers both Protestant and Catholic interpretations of the bible, and you have selected the heretical portion. If you'd like the most recent commentary by the U.S Bishops you may find it here, and they affirm it is a non-literal statement upon the Davidic Kingship. http://www.usccb.org/bible/isaiah/11

Your beloved Catholic Answers likewise states that there is no, in their words, "Doggie Heaven" https://www.catholic.com/qa/do-animals-have-souls-like-human-beings.

Animals do not have immortal souls according to Catholic Tradition, they have material souls bound to their flesh that perishes upon death. This is in-keeping with ancient Jewish thought on the matter, however they went a step further and denied a human afterlife as well.

Being made in the image of God means just that, being made the closest to God. Older theologians would describe this in terms of sapience, but more modern ones shy away from it as it becomes more readily apparent animals actually do retain memories and display emotions.

This is why Catholicism does not recognise a concept of animal rights. Even in Laudato Si, a document by Francis affirming John Paul II's opinions on Environmentalism and Stewardship the Catholic Church affirms it is acceptable to use and experiment on animals. If they had an eternal aspect, this would not be allowed.

Catholicism is not a buffet Jacob, it's a set course meal.
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The US Bishops commentary is heretical because they are using the New American Bible and not the Douay-Rheims Bible which is the true version of the bible as it is a direct translation of the Latin Vulgate. Them using the wrong bible demonstrates the heresy in the church after Vatican 2.

While I often use Catholic Answers as a source, there are many things I disagree with since they promote the Vatican 2 doctrine. I am a bigger fan of The Remnant which is a traditionalist Catholic site.

And yes we are made closest to God, but that fact does not exclude them from his kingdom. Us being God's chosen species gives us permission to eat other animals, but the bible is pro animal rights in that it condemns animal abuse in the story of Balaam and the talking donkey. Animals are God's creation too, so using common sense, why would an eternal God create animals who do not last forever? What would be the purpose of creating them? Why would God have Noah save a bunch of animals on the Ark during that great flood in the middle east?
Senior Lexmechanic said:
Don't leave me in suspense here.
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I am watching the Super Bowl so I will work on a good response tomorrow. The Patriots will win!
 
Jacob Harrison said:
The US Bishops commentary is heretical because they are using the New American Bible and not the Douay-Rheims Bible which is the true version of the bible as it is a direct translation of the Latin Vulgate. Them using the wrong bible demonstrates the heresy in the church after Vatican 2.
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The Douay-Rheims is but one acceptable translation, and not the only one endorsed by the Catholic Church. As an American, you are obligated to obey the decrees and guidance of the Americans Bishops council on matters of discipline. As they have declared the NAB acceptable, which they themselves had a big hand in producing, it cannot be heresy.

The Douay-Rheims is in fact the total opposite from a Vulgate translation, it was a response during the reformation against critique from the Reformists. Jeromes' Vulgate was a frankly awful translation fettered with errors, and the Catholics rather than reccomend Reform works, produced their own version of scriptures from Greek texts.

It's unfair to a degree to levy too much critique against the vulgate, because the producers of the Douay-Rheims and Reform versions had access to many original greek texts earlier translators did not. That said, scholars within the Catholic Church were already long aware prior to the Reformation that the Vulgate was not entirely accurate. It wasn't until the fall of Constantinople and the surge of Greek speakers from there into Western Europe (especially Italy) that the Catholic church was once again able to reaccess classical literature it had lost the capacity to read and copies of texts brought from the east it was not aware existed.

Jacob Harrison said:
While I often use Catholic Answers as a source, there are many things I disagree with since they promote the Vatican 2 doctrine. I am a bigger fan of The Remnant which is a traditionalist Catholic site.
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Catholic Answers is an officialy endorsed apostolate of the Catholic Church, the Remnant is not. Due to its support for the still-partially schismatic Society of Saint Pius X, it may be heretical. It certainly wouldn't gain a nihil obstat ot imprimatur from a mainstream bishop unlike Catholic Answers.

Jacob Harrison said:
And yes we are made closest to God, but that fact does not exclude them from his kingdom. Us being God's chosen species gives us permission to eat other animals, but the bible is pro animal rights in that it condemns animal abuse in the story of Balaam and the talking donkey. Animals are God's creation too, so using common sense, why would an eternal God create animals who do not last forever? What would be the purpose of creating them? Why would God have Noah save a bunch of animals on the Ark during that great flood in the middle east?
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Why would God create an angel purely to lead his most loved creation into damnation? Why would God create a world in which it's possible to rape little girls? Why would God create a world in which people can eat each other? I know the only answer that makes logical sense, but you won't like it.

In any case, on the subject of animal souls if you're a Catholic Roma Locuta Est.
 
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Not tryna hate, but you could use stronger evidence than some church in lithuania nobody's heard of. Martyrs, for example, make a way better case for Catholicism than that.

I also think you need a better answer to the priestly diddling than "Masonsdidit, anytime fucked up shit happened in the church it was a mason."
 
Jacob Harrison said:
The US Bishops commentary is heretical because they are using the New American Bible and not the Douay-Rheims Bible which is the true version of the bible as it is a direct translation of the Latin Vulgate. Them using the wrong bible demonstrates the heresy in the church after Vatican 2.
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If you're gonna wave around an old ass Bible translation and claim it's somehow uniquely divinely inspired, just become a fundamentalist instead, you'll fit in much better.
 
Splendid Meat Sticks said:
If you're gonna wave around an old ass Bible translation and claim it's somehow uniquely divinely inspired, just become a fundamentalist instead, you'll fit in much better.
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It's not so much that it's divinley inspired, a lot of Catholic teachings hinge upon specific words in the bible. Take Parthenos, it can mean "Maiden" but it can also mean "Virgin".

In "Protestant bibles" Mary is often described as a "Young Woman". In the Douay-Rheims, she's a "Virgin". I'm sure you can see the issue. Same for James being described as the cousin in Catholic bibles vs the brother of Jesus Christ in Protestant ones.

There's other examples, and translations out there with much bigger arguing points.

As far as I'm aware, it is still a sin for a Catholic to read a "Protestant Bible" like the KJV. I don't know if it's a sin for an Orthodox (as they have larger bibles than both Catholics and Protestants) to read them.

As for this fellow....

Bleachedanoos said:
Back in the day homosexuals were ousted from society and the church said they would take them in if they committed to a life of faith.
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Homosexuals have long been a staple of the Catholic priesthood for three reasons.

1)Very few straight men are willing to renounce sex unless forced, like the second son of a nobleman.
2) It's an easy way for a gay man to hide in plain sight. Not being married or under holy vows was not, and still is not, an option in many Catholic societies.
3) Homosexual men are more likely than heterosexual men to hold supernatural beliefs. http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/quick_question19.html

A study by Darren E. Sherkat, Professor of Sociology at Southern Illinois University, published in the latest issue of the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion found that gay men were significantly more active in religious organizations when compared to heterosexual men. Gay men were also more active in religious groups when compared to lesbians and male and female bisexuals.
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Bleachedanoos said:
Being homosexuals though kid fucking and degeneracy are your right and left hand. The reality is the amount of kids molested by priests isn't particularly high, you're just dumb and consume too much media. It's about 2% which is the estimate of pedos in all rungs of society.
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Yes. I'm sure the Irish just made up their fifty odd years under a Catholic theocracy where having your spouse die was adequate reason to be incacerated for life in a laundry and your baby sold to rich Americans.

It's Satan and the Freemasons and the Gay Space Communism I'm sure.

Bleachedanoos said:
Now let's look somewhere else, maybe a propaganda center that outed the Catholic Church for the deeds of some faggot clergy men. Maybe a boy raping machine like Hollywood,
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Ironic that you call Hollywood a baby raping machine, considering that the Catholic Church controlled it for so long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Legion_of_Decency

Bleachedanoos said:
or gee IDK how about Judaism as a whole.How about rabbis giving babies herpes because when they are sucking on their little dicks, woops got a cold sore!
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Muslims are cunts. Orthodox Judaism is cunty too.

Just because they are cunts, does not make you or your fellow cultists any less of a cunt either.

Bleachedanoos said:
You anti Christ fags are the worst.
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Love you too boo <3
 
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Splendid Meat Sticks said:
If you're gonna wave around an old ass Bible translation and claim it's somehow uniquely divinely inspired, just become a fundamentalist instead, you'll fit in much better.
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The pope has the power of the grand magisterium when he makes interpretations of the Bible he is speaking as a divine messenger of Christ and can say no wrong. The Protestant religion has no objective interpretation. It is not so much the content or the exact words of the Bible that matter it is how they are interpreted.
 
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