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>Still not wild hunt Heathcliff
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Hope Bulletcliff inflicts Dark Flame, we need more sources of it. Other than that it's a bot interesting Outis and Heathcliff got Bullet identities, maybe there's some parellel or connection there?
Also more datamined stuff, but it looks like the new Heathcliff EGO is going to get a cutscene.
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Emily Bronte's birthday (author of Wuthering Heights) is the 30th of July. Which would just so happen to line up perfectly with the expected cycle of ID announced this week, released next week, and no new IDs announced until the following week. Dawn Office Sinclair was released in time with Philip's birthday in Ruina, so there's loose precedent...>Still not wild hunt Heathcliff
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I kind of want that too, but what heathcliff would you put in your team if that was the case, heathcliff 4th pack rabbit?
, i happen to play burn team.All the supports are just to be there aside Hong Lu for burn count and Faust is pretty good to maintain Sinclair at low sanity when you need to without dropping to -45 also +2 fanatic for damage.
PD : waiting for Walpurgis Night because i need Sinclair Dawn Office Fixer
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@Sulla Not to drag this up but I was doing reading on season length and I noticed something I ignored and thought about your post.
Before your quote I said S3 was the longest at 133 days with a month delay which was completely wrong. Season 2 was actually the longest at 168 days since that one had the delay. We are completely on pace to approach S2 in terms of length given we still don't have a date on the WARP event, which I think your bolded prediction is right, and we still haven't gotten the Heath ID. I think we're looking at between 155-170 days for this one.
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They've given EGOs to Sinners that don't have a matching ID before, for instance we still don't have a Burn Faust to go with Faust's 9:2. We still don't have a Lust focused Heathcliff despite him having Ya Śūnyatā Tad Rūpam for a while now.I kind of want that too, but what heathcliff would you put in your team if that was the case, heathcliff 4th pack rabbit?
But if we're just going by what could help Heathcliff's current ID's I think another SP draining overtime EGO for Sunshow would be nice, something that lowers health for Shi, Bleed for N corp and Pqeoud, or Rupture for 7s Heathcliff.
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I'm glad we're finally getting some Envy on Outis. Although Load seems like it might take a bit to get online since her only way of getting Charge potency is by consuming Charge via her passive. Although Rip Dimension's final fit gives her back some Charge count so at least she isn't plummeted back down to 0 Charge, although you might have to be a bit careful with her skill 2 as to not lose all your Charge count.
Fell Bullet, feels a bit awkward, since Rabbit doesn't have any Pride or Poise, although he's flexible enough in team comps where I don't think it'll be a problem.. It better at least return 3 bullets and it looks like it's meant to work with the Pierce Ego Gifts in Mirror Dungeon. The Pierce team already has another Ammo using character in Pirate Gregor and plenty of Pride from Cinq so ressonance shouldn't be that big of a problem.
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There was also an 8GB unannounced update a few days ago. So, there is a good chance that it'll be something setting up for the Warp train canto.
Once you have dawn Sinclair you can use the support from Shi Don and Heath for bigger damage. Also, base Hong-Lu and Yi-sang give passive SP healing. I am waiting for Walpurgis again because I need Rossete Rodya to make my bleed teams more viable.happen to play burn team.
Also pretty sweet there is a project moon thread, big fan of the game, played for a long time, so will have fun reading the threadAll the supports are just to be there aside Hong Lu for burn count and Faust is pretty good to maintain Sinclair at low sanity when you need to without dropping to -45 also +2 fanatic for damage.
PD : waiting for Walpurgis Night because i need Sinclair Dawn Office Fixer
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That's been an issue with the game for a while, sometimes the game just re-downloads itself.
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For me a solid EGO , It looks like the one to benefit the most is heathcliff pequod to build huge poise by EGO and EGO passive , as at combat start for X+ reson you gain 1? poise, so he can set up poise faster for skill 2 to crit coin 2 for bleed counts, also depeding how it interacts with his defense skill that gains defense level up for every poise at combat start, so its one extra defense level up.
Also big damage finisher with heathcliff pequod low hp with power levels up, pride reson and huge poise consumption for EGO overclock will do high damage and clean anything.
Well the poise is more for the EGO to hit crit for damage, it doesnt necessarily need to have poise synergy, a one use poise, and the passive 1 poise for that 5% luck casino
.Once you have dawn Sinclair you can use the support from Shi Don and Heath for bigger damage. Also, base Hong-Lu and Yi-sang give passive SP healing. I am waiting for Walpurgis again because I need Rossete Rodya to make my bleed teams more viable.
Sounds sweet i still got to build a bleed team that work, ryoshu kurokumo uptie 4 isnt paying off so far
After you said HongLu and YiSang i got suspicious, i didnt read volatile passion would scale to -40SP in 8 turns, still plenty of turns for a combo setup and burn, of course my team sucks for sloth generation for HongLu passive, 5 sloth is rough that you will not use.
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PM is never beating the spaghetti code allegations like this.
HongLu is nice but you can be fine without his passive. Yi-sang is the most easy to get since dawn office Sinclair comes with gloom S1 and you can get 3 lust ressonance easily with the Liu IDs for N-Faust's passive. I am now trying to build a burn/tremor team.
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Oh boy 
Heathcliff Fell Bullet EGO is something, i didnt expect it to be this way. specially with bullet generation, was it necessary to cap it at 3 per encounter?, so awkward that you cant get to at least 75% crit chance in poise so at least it can be used by any Hcliff ID
at least i did expect that it would be very good in Pequod
Heathcliff Fell Bullet EGO is something, i didnt expect it to be this way. specially with bullet generation, was it necessary to cap it at 3 per encounter?, so awkward that you cant get to at least 75% crit chance in poise so at least it can be used by any Hcliff ID
at least i did expect that it would be very good in Pequod
So you can get a max of 7 Torn memory , high Reson +1 or A-Reson +2 , as the limit is 7 you can archive before attack a max poise of 7 which is 35% critical chance , so we are playing bossmanjack 1 out of 3 to hit jackpot casino, if you dont hit that 1/3 basically having 7 torns means nothing as your second coin will not hit 105% more damage, now what if you have the EGO passive active, you bump the critical chance to 10 poise , a flip coin 50% crit chance, Also no Atk weight. all for the cost of 1 wrath , 3 pride and 2 envy..
On the other hand EGO Overclock at max has a weight of 4 (if 6 torns) , +21% damage for 7 torns , +25% for 25 poise but just by EGO is 10 poise making it +10%, a max of +46% damage , now as it has a weight of 4 i guess it can be viewed as +184% damage, also the damage is no crit guarantee, so poise is just to boost damage
My conclusion
EGO awakening - The bad
My conclusion
EGO awakening - The bad
- Heathcliff with no poise gain of any sort, not worth using it for a 1/3 gamble unless you want to commit for spamming EGO second time for passive giving a 1/2 chance to hit 105%(+20% for crit poise base damage) which still can miss and will make you feel very sad.
- You need 7 torns for the casino to start 1/3 chance to hit, so you need to do A-Reson at 5 for +2 torns.
- Torns are useless if you dont crit, goodbye 105% damage.
- Only gives bullets if you crit and kill with second coin, no crit on kill no bullets, crit on first coin and kill no bullets.
- If you kill you get one bullet at a time, no Atk weight
- You can only get 3 bullets per Encounter, you may start using your fists rather than your gun, ammo more scarce than in a zombie apocalypse
- High Risk High Reward????
- Any poise generation for Heathcliff, easy crit and easy damage.
- Good in focused encounters.
- Flexible to get torns, you dont need pride Reson specifically.
- Tons of damage, at 7 torns for 105% +20% base poise crit and if its Pride Reson or A-Reson it will boost damage even more.
- If you crit it will feel very satisfying , specially if you have low poise
- If you like Heathcliff Pequod , this EGO is for you, to use 1 wrath (defense skill) 3 pride (skill 1) and 2 envy(skill 2 and 3), gains poise and poise count.
- You look cool.
- Low Atk weight, only 4, so its a shotgun more than a sniper rifle.
- Good with any Heathcliff to throw some AoE damage.
- You dont need to crit for damage, only torns by Reson.
- Good in not focused encounters.
- Solid easy to gain fast poise, +3 poise in combat start.
- +15% crit chance for non poise ID's for that extra damage if you get lucky.
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Get hype, capital G Gamers, we're getting a stream!
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PLEASE DIRECTOR! Announce the Wild Hunt Heathcliff ID and Farmwatch Outis ID on the stream I beg of you!
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Project Moon posted this notice to their twitter about Leviathan and Wonderlab.
TLDR: The people who drew the Leviathan and Wonderlab Comic filled a copyright notice in tandem to get Project Moon to remove Wonderlab and Leviathan from the Project Moon website and are trying to assert that they are the sole creators of the comics.
Also the characters in Wonderlab not having a canon gender wasn't something the Wonderlab artist chose, it was something KJH decided on in order for the comic's characters to fit more closely with the nuggets in Lobotomy Corp and he was offended when people called it "PC"
Edit:
Also a new Charge type or Charge adjacent effect called Charge Storage was added in the files.
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"buffClass": "NonvolatileBuff",
"buffType": "Positive",
"maxStack": 5,
"canBeDespelled": false,
"list": [
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"ability": "ChargeStorageFirstAbility",
"value": 0.1,
"buffData": {
"buffKeyword": "Charge",
"turn": 1
}
},
{
"ability": "ChargeStorageSecondAbility",
"value": 5,
"buffData": {
"buffKeyword": "Charge"
}
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],
"categoryKeywordList": [ "CHARGE" ]
Edit2: Project Moon has posted chat logs between the Director and the artists of both Wonderlab and Leviathan.
[ 리바이어던 만화 게재 중단 및 저작권 분쟁에 대한 공지 ]
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안녕하세요 프로젝트문 대표 김지훈입니다.
업로드되어 있던 리바이어던의 만화 버전 게재 중지에 대한건으로 공지를 작성하게 되었습니다.
작년 2023년 12월경에 원더랩 만화 작가분과 리바이어던 만화 작가분으로부터 내용증명을 받았습니다.
내용증명은 최근까지도 법적 분쟁중에있던 'pm유저협회(게임소비자협회)'를 통해 받았으며, 그 내용은 최종적으로 원더랩 만화와 리바이어던 만화에 대한 저작권적 권리를 포함한 모든 권리를 프로젝트문은 포기하라는 내용이었습니다.
구체적으로는 원더랩과 리바이어던에 대한 모든 종류의 권리, 권한의 수여, 합의, 동의를 전부 철회할 것에 대하여 최종 고지를 받았습니다.
또한 작가분들은 프로젝트문과 어떤 상의 없이 한국 저작권 위원회에 각 작가분이 단독으로 자신들을 저작권자로 등록하였습니다.
처음으로 받은 내용증명 이후 세 차례에 걸쳐 내용증명에 대한 답을 주고받았으나, 2024년 1월 말에 대화 기록과 작업 기록을 첨부한 저희의 답변 이후로 상대 법무법인으로부터 어떤 답도 오지 않고 프로젝트문이 요청한 대처도 실행하지 않았었습니다.
이후 오히려 '게임소비자협회'와 '원더랩'작가는 프로젝트문에 저작권 민사 소송을 걸어왔습니다.
저작권 분쟁 상태를 모호하게 지속하지 않고, 명확한 결론을 내기 위해 저작권 분쟁 소송을 진행하며, 이에 따라 게재된 리바이어던 만화 버전 게재를 중단합니다.
또한 프로젝트문이 모든 권리를 포기하라 받은 고지와 독단적으로 한국 저작권 위원회에 저작물을 등록한점에 대해서는 적극적으로 대처를 해야한다 판단했기에 이와 같은 공지를 작성하게 되었습니다.
원더랩과 리바이어던 두 만화에 대해 프로젝트문의 '업무상 저작물'로 인정받기 위한 저작권 소송을 진행할 것임을 알립니다.
하단부에서 알려드리는 내용은 현재로써 알려드릴 수 있는 적지만 세부적인 정보로. 정황에 대해 의문을 가지실 분들에게 알려드리는 내용입니다.
비교적 긴 내용인 점 참고해 주셔서 읽어주시면 감사드리겠습니다.
프로젝트문이 받은 내용 중 하나는 프로젝트문이 만화 제작에 직접적으로 참여하지 않았기 때문에, 만화의 저작물은 온전히 해당 작가들의 저작물이고 그렇기 때문에 프로젝트문이 만화에 대한 권리를 주장하는 것이 부당하다는 것이었습니다.
하지만 프로젝트문은 만화 연재 동안 작가분들과 계약직 직원 형태의 고용관계로 계약서를 작성했습니다. 또한 계약기간 동안 월급을 지급하며, 급여를 받는 동안 프로젝트문의 직원으로서 프로젝트문의 만화를 그리는 업무상 저작물의 형태로 취급하는 것을 목표로 계약서를 작성하고 작업을 진행했습니다.
이 내용은 리바이어던 만화 작가 모집 공고에 더 명확하게 명시되어 있고, 사전에도 고지되었음을 알 수 있습니다.
2021.05.28 [프로젝트문 세계관기반 웹툰 연재 작가 모집] - https://projectmoon.postype.com/post/9941572
만화 제작 과정에서 디렉터인 저를 포함한 프로젝트문의 직원분들이 만화에 대한 기획, 검토 등의 직접적인 제작 피드백을 통해 작업을 진행한 기록이 남아있습니다.
이처럼 계약서를 작성하여 회사의 직원으로 만화를 제작하고, 원고 연재 상황에 상관없이 매달 계약서에 따라 직원과 동일하게 300만원 이상의 급여를 지급해 왔습니다.
더불어 리바이어던 연재 시에는 개발직원분들에게 드리는 인센티브와 같은 퍼센트로 인센티브를 지급해 드리기도 했습니다.
즉, 두 작가는 프로젝트문의 고용관계인 회사 직원으로 만화를 제작하였고, 이에 대한 보수도 직원과 동일하게 계약서에 따라 지급했습니다.
그럼에도 외부 작가로써 단독 저작권자임을 주장하고, 프로젝트문에 모든 권리를 포기하라 주장하는 점에 대해 납득되지 않아 법적으로 대응하고자 합니다.
작업 형태와 별개로 리바이어던의 경우 프로젝트문이 일방적으로 연재 중단 통보를 내렸다는 글을 작가분이 게재하였습니다.
이에 대하여 저의 입장을 알려드리겠습니다. 프로젝트문은 연재 당시 오히려 반대로 더 이상 리바이어던 연재를 진행할 수 없을 같다는 작가분의 연락을 받고, 이를 받아들여 회사차원에서 림버스컴퍼니 개발 중에도 급박하게 소설 연재로 전환을 하게 되었습니다. 그리고 이 과정에서 작가분에게 책임에 대한 피해가 적게 가도록 프로젝트문의 잘못이 크다는 취지의 공지를 올리겠다고 상대 작가에 대한 배려를 기반으로한 합의를 나눴으며, 이에 대해 작가분은 감사함을 표시하셨고 기록으로 남아있습니다. 리바이어던 만화 준비 과정에서 미숙한 점이 있었을지언정, 연재중단 통보를 내린적이 없음을 밝힙니다. 이에 대한 대화 내용과 기록은 법정에서 제출할 예정입니다.
원더랩 작가분이 리바이어던은 원더랩과 다르게 너무 PC하지 않도록 그려 달라 요청을 받았다는 말을 들었다 하셨습니다. 그리고 이에 대해서는 작년 8월경에 원더랩 작가분과 나눈 메일에서도 답을 드렸었습니다. 2023년 8월에 오간 메일 답변을 일부를 옮겨드립니다.
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'원더랩이 제 색이 짙어 귀사가 원하는 방향들이 아니었고 이후 만화는 'pc'하지 않게 등 부탁드렸었다는 이야기를 이후 건너 들었습니다.' 에 대해서 조심스럽게 말씀을 드려보고자 합니다.
말씀주신 내용이 어디서 어떻게 전달되었을지는 모르겠지만 해당 내용을 전해 들으셨을때 작가님 입장에서 굉장히 속상하셨고 기분 나쁘셨을 것 같습니다.
짐작가는 바를 조심스럽게 말씀드리자면, 원더랩을 논의할 때는 작가님의 요청과 협의로 원더랩 캐릭터들의 성별을 설정적으로 정하거나 드러내지 않기로 하였던 기억이 있습니다. 하지만 그 이후 작품 부터는 성별 관련해서 설정과 묘사가 있을 필요가 있다고 판단하였습니다. 왜냐하면 지금까지 프로젝트 문 작품에서는 성별에 따라서 서사나 대우가 달라지지 않게 노력 해왔지만, 성별 자체를 정하지 않은 적은 거의 없었습니다. 그래서 다음 작품에서는 성별은 정하자는 생각까지 했었고, 그런 흐름의 이야기가 와전된 것이 아닌가 싶습니다.
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원더랩 또한 만화내에 등장한 환상체에 대한 기획과 논의 내역도 기록으로 남아있습니다.
2020년에 회사 규모가 작을 때 카카오톡의 단체 대화방을 통해 업무 피드백을 주고받았으며, 이때의 작업과 의사소통 기록이 전부 남아있습니다. 이 또한 법정에서 전체 제출할 예정입니다.
저작권과 관련되어 작품 외적으로 팬분들께 심려를 끼쳐드리게 되어 죄송합니다.
작가분들이 인터넷에 게시하는 글에 대해서 최대한 대응하지 않고, 언젠가 오해가 풀리기를 기다렸었습니다. 하지만 오히려 모든 권리를 포기하라는 내용을 받아 대응을 할 수 밖에 없다는 결론을 내렸습니다.
저작권 분쟁에 대해서 프로젝트문은 적극적으로 대처하고 결과에 따라 조치하겠습니다.
//This notice will be translated into English as soon as possible and further announced.
//このお知らせは早いうちに日本語に翻訳して追加でお知らせします。
//이 공지는 빠른 시일내에 영어, 일본어로 번역하여 추가 공지하겠습니다.
안녕하세요 프로젝트문 대표 김지훈입니다.
업로드되어 있던 리바이어던의 만화 버전 게재 중지에 대한건으로 공지를 작성하게 되었습니다.
작년 2023년 12월경에 원더랩 만화 작가분과 리바이어던 만화 작가분으로부터 내용증명을 받았습니다.
내용증명은 최근까지도 법적 분쟁중에있던 'pm유저협회(게임소비자협회)'를 통해 받았으며, 그 내용은 최종적으로 원더랩 만화와 리바이어던 만화에 대한 저작권적 권리를 포함한 모든 권리를 프로젝트문은 포기하라는 내용이었습니다.
구체적으로는 원더랩과 리바이어던에 대한 모든 종류의 권리, 권한의 수여, 합의, 동의를 전부 철회할 것에 대하여 최종 고지를 받았습니다.
또한 작가분들은 프로젝트문과 어떤 상의 없이 한국 저작권 위원회에 각 작가분이 단독으로 자신들을 저작권자로 등록하였습니다.
처음으로 받은 내용증명 이후 세 차례에 걸쳐 내용증명에 대한 답을 주고받았으나, 2024년 1월 말에 대화 기록과 작업 기록을 첨부한 저희의 답변 이후로 상대 법무법인으로부터 어떤 답도 오지 않고 프로젝트문이 요청한 대처도 실행하지 않았었습니다.
이후 오히려 '게임소비자협회'와 '원더랩'작가는 프로젝트문에 저작권 민사 소송을 걸어왔습니다.
저작권 분쟁 상태를 모호하게 지속하지 않고, 명확한 결론을 내기 위해 저작권 분쟁 소송을 진행하며, 이에 따라 게재된 리바이어던 만화 버전 게재를 중단합니다.
또한 프로젝트문이 모든 권리를 포기하라 받은 고지와 독단적으로 한국 저작권 위원회에 저작물을 등록한점에 대해서는 적극적으로 대처를 해야한다 판단했기에 이와 같은 공지를 작성하게 되었습니다.
원더랩과 리바이어던 두 만화에 대해 프로젝트문의 '업무상 저작물'로 인정받기 위한 저작권 소송을 진행할 것임을 알립니다.
하단부에서 알려드리는 내용은 현재로써 알려드릴 수 있는 적지만 세부적인 정보로. 정황에 대해 의문을 가지실 분들에게 알려드리는 내용입니다.
비교적 긴 내용인 점 참고해 주셔서 읽어주시면 감사드리겠습니다.
프로젝트문이 받은 내용 중 하나는 프로젝트문이 만화 제작에 직접적으로 참여하지 않았기 때문에, 만화의 저작물은 온전히 해당 작가들의 저작물이고 그렇기 때문에 프로젝트문이 만화에 대한 권리를 주장하는 것이 부당하다는 것이었습니다.
하지만 프로젝트문은 만화 연재 동안 작가분들과 계약직 직원 형태의 고용관계로 계약서를 작성했습니다. 또한 계약기간 동안 월급을 지급하며, 급여를 받는 동안 프로젝트문의 직원으로서 프로젝트문의 만화를 그리는 업무상 저작물의 형태로 취급하는 것을 목표로 계약서를 작성하고 작업을 진행했습니다.
이 내용은 리바이어던 만화 작가 모집 공고에 더 명확하게 명시되어 있고, 사전에도 고지되었음을 알 수 있습니다.
2021.05.28 [프로젝트문 세계관기반 웹툰 연재 작가 모집] - https://projectmoon.postype.com/post/9941572
만화 제작 과정에서 디렉터인 저를 포함한 프로젝트문의 직원분들이 만화에 대한 기획, 검토 등의 직접적인 제작 피드백을 통해 작업을 진행한 기록이 남아있습니다.
이처럼 계약서를 작성하여 회사의 직원으로 만화를 제작하고, 원고 연재 상황에 상관없이 매달 계약서에 따라 직원과 동일하게 300만원 이상의 급여를 지급해 왔습니다.
더불어 리바이어던 연재 시에는 개발직원분들에게 드리는 인센티브와 같은 퍼센트로 인센티브를 지급해 드리기도 했습니다.
즉, 두 작가는 프로젝트문의 고용관계인 회사 직원으로 만화를 제작하였고, 이에 대한 보수도 직원과 동일하게 계약서에 따라 지급했습니다.
그럼에도 외부 작가로써 단독 저작권자임을 주장하고, 프로젝트문에 모든 권리를 포기하라 주장하는 점에 대해 납득되지 않아 법적으로 대응하고자 합니다.
작업 형태와 별개로 리바이어던의 경우 프로젝트문이 일방적으로 연재 중단 통보를 내렸다는 글을 작가분이 게재하였습니다.
이에 대하여 저의 입장을 알려드리겠습니다. 프로젝트문은 연재 당시 오히려 반대로 더 이상 리바이어던 연재를 진행할 수 없을 같다는 작가분의 연락을 받고, 이를 받아들여 회사차원에서 림버스컴퍼니 개발 중에도 급박하게 소설 연재로 전환을 하게 되었습니다. 그리고 이 과정에서 작가분에게 책임에 대한 피해가 적게 가도록 프로젝트문의 잘못이 크다는 취지의 공지를 올리겠다고 상대 작가에 대한 배려를 기반으로한 합의를 나눴으며, 이에 대해 작가분은 감사함을 표시하셨고 기록으로 남아있습니다. 리바이어던 만화 준비 과정에서 미숙한 점이 있었을지언정, 연재중단 통보를 내린적이 없음을 밝힙니다. 이에 대한 대화 내용과 기록은 법정에서 제출할 예정입니다.
원더랩 작가분이 리바이어던은 원더랩과 다르게 너무 PC하지 않도록 그려 달라 요청을 받았다는 말을 들었다 하셨습니다. 그리고 이에 대해서는 작년 8월경에 원더랩 작가분과 나눈 메일에서도 답을 드렸었습니다. 2023년 8월에 오간 메일 답변을 일부를 옮겨드립니다.
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'원더랩이 제 색이 짙어 귀사가 원하는 방향들이 아니었고 이후 만화는 'pc'하지 않게 등 부탁드렸었다는 이야기를 이후 건너 들었습니다.' 에 대해서 조심스럽게 말씀을 드려보고자 합니다.
말씀주신 내용이 어디서 어떻게 전달되었을지는 모르겠지만 해당 내용을 전해 들으셨을때 작가님 입장에서 굉장히 속상하셨고 기분 나쁘셨을 것 같습니다.
짐작가는 바를 조심스럽게 말씀드리자면, 원더랩을 논의할 때는 작가님의 요청과 협의로 원더랩 캐릭터들의 성별을 설정적으로 정하거나 드러내지 않기로 하였던 기억이 있습니다. 하지만 그 이후 작품 부터는 성별 관련해서 설정과 묘사가 있을 필요가 있다고 판단하였습니다. 왜냐하면 지금까지 프로젝트 문 작품에서는 성별에 따라서 서사나 대우가 달라지지 않게 노력 해왔지만, 성별 자체를 정하지 않은 적은 거의 없었습니다. 그래서 다음 작품에서는 성별은 정하자는 생각까지 했었고, 그런 흐름의 이야기가 와전된 것이 아닌가 싶습니다.
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원더랩 또한 만화내에 등장한 환상체에 대한 기획과 논의 내역도 기록으로 남아있습니다.
2020년에 회사 규모가 작을 때 카카오톡의 단체 대화방을 통해 업무 피드백을 주고받았으며, 이때의 작업과 의사소통 기록이 전부 남아있습니다. 이 또한 법정에서 전체 제출할 예정입니다.
저작권과 관련되어 작품 외적으로 팬분들께 심려를 끼쳐드리게 되어 죄송합니다.
작가분들이 인터넷에 게시하는 글에 대해서 최대한 대응하지 않고, 언젠가 오해가 풀리기를 기다렸었습니다. 하지만 오히려 모든 권리를 포기하라는 내용을 받아 대응을 할 수 밖에 없다는 결론을 내렸습니다.
저작권 분쟁에 대해서 프로젝트문은 적극적으로 대처하고 결과에 따라 조치하겠습니다.
[Notice on the suspension of publication of Leviathan comics and copyright dispute]
//This notice will be translated into English as soon as possible and further announced.
//This notice will be translated into Japanese and further announced as soon as possible.
//This notice will be translated into English and Japanese and further announced as soon as possible.
Hello, this is Project Moon CEO Kim Ji-hoon.
I am writing this notice regarding the suspension of publication of the Leviathan comic version that was uploaded.
I received a certified letter from the Wonderlab comics writer and the Leviathan comics writer around December 2023 last year.
The certified letter was received through the 'PM User Association (Game Consumer Association)', which was in a legal dispute until recently, and the content was that Project Moon should give up all rights, including copyright rights, to Wonder Lab and Leviathan comics.
Specifically, we received a final notice that all rights, authorizations, agreements, and consents to Wonder Lab and Leviathan would be completely withdrawn.
In addition, the writers registered themselves as copyright holders with the Korea Copyright Commission without any consultation with Project Moon.
After the first certified letter, we exchanged responses to the certified letters three times, but after our response at the end of January 2024, which attached conversation records and work records, we received no response from the opposing law firm, and Project Moon did not take any action as requested.
After that, the 'Game Consumer Association' and the 'Wonder Lab' writers filed a copyright civil lawsuit against Project Moon.
In order to avoid continuing the copyright dispute and reach a clear conclusion, we will proceed with the copyright dispute lawsuit, and accordingly, we will stop publishing the published Leviathan comic version.
In addition, we decided to actively respond to the notice that Project Moon gave up all rights and unilaterally registered the work with the Korean Copyright Commission, so we have written this notice.
We will proceed with a copyright lawsuit to have the two comics, Wonder Lab and Leviathan, recognized as Project Moon's 'works created in the course of business.'
The information provided below is the limited but detailed information that we can provide at the moment. This is for those who have questions about the situation.
Please read it carefully as it is relatively long.
One of the things Project Moon received was that since Project Moon did not directly participate in the production of the comic, the copyright of the comic is entirely the work of the respective authors, and therefore it is unfair for Project Moon to claim rights to the comic.
However, Project Moon signed a contract with the authors as a contract employee during the comic series. In addition, we wrote a contract and worked on it with the goal of paying a monthly salary during the contract period and treating it as a work-related work that was drawn as a Project Moon employee while receiving a salary.
This content is more clearly stated in the Leviathan cartoon writer recruitment notice, and you can see that it was notified in advance.
2021.05.28 [Project Moon Worldview-based Webtoon Serial Writer Recruitment] - https://projectmoon.postype.com/post/9941572
There is a record of Project Moon employees, including me as the director, working on the cartoon through direct production feedback such as planning and review during the cartoon production process.
In this way, we wrote a contract to produce cartoons as employees of the company, and regardless of the serialization status of the manuscript, we paid a salary of more than 3 million won, the same as employees, according to the contract every month.
In addition, during the Leviathan serialization, we also paid incentives at the same percentage as the incentives given to the development staff.
In other words, the two writers created the cartoon as employees of Project Moon, and were paid the same compensation as employees according to the contract.
Nevertheless, I do not understand the fact that they claim to be the sole copyright holder as external writers and demand that Project Moon give up all rights, so I plan to take legal action.
Separately from the form of the work, in the case of Leviathan, the writer posted an article saying that Project Moon unilaterally notified them to stop serializing.
I will tell you my position on this. At the time of serialization, Project Moon received a call from the writer saying that it seemed that they would no longer be able to continue serializing Leviathan, and the company accepted this and urgently changed the serialization to a novel while Limbus Company was being developed. In the process, we reached an agreement based on consideration for the other writer, saying that we would post a notice stating that Project Moon was largely at fault so that the writer would not suffer any damages from the responsibility. The writer expressed his gratitude for this, and it remains on record. Although there may have been some immaturity in the process of preparing the Leviathan comic, I would like to clarify that I have never given notice of discontinuation of the series. I plan to submit the conversation and records regarding this in court.
I heard that the Wonderlab writer asked me to draw Leviathan differently from Wonderlab, but not in a PC way. I also answered this in an email exchange with the Wonderlab writer around August of last year. I will transfer some of the email responses from August 2023.
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I would like to cautiously address the question, 'I heard later that Wonderlab was too strong and not in the direction you wanted, and that you asked me not to make the comic 'PC' in the future.'
I don't know where or how the content you mentioned was delivered, but I think the writer must have been very upset and offended when he heard it.
If I may be cautious, when discussing Wonderlab, I remember that at the writer's request and in agreement, we decided not to set or reveal the genders of the Wonderlab characters. However, from then on, we decided that there needed to be settings and descriptions related to gender. This is because, in Project Moon’s works so far, we have tried not to let the narrative or treatment differ depending on gender, but we have rarely decided on gender itself. So, we even thought about deciding on gender in the next work, and I think that kind of story has been distorted.
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Wonder Lab also has records of planning and discussions regarding fantasy entities that appear in the comics.
In 2020, when the company was small, we exchanged work feedback through a group chat room on KakaoTalk, and all of the work and communication records from that time remain. We plan to submit this in full in court as well.
We apologize for causing concern to fans outside of the work in relation to copyright.
We did not respond as much as possible to the posts that the writers made on the Internet, and waited for the misunderstanding to be resolved someday. However, we received a request to give up all rights, so we concluded that we had no choice but to respond.
Project Moon will actively respond to copyright disputes and take action based on the results.
//This notice will be translated into English as soon as possible and further announced.
//This notice will be translated into Japanese and further announced as soon as possible.
//This notice will be translated into English and Japanese and further announced as soon as possible.
Hello, this is Project Moon CEO Kim Ji-hoon.
I am writing this notice regarding the suspension of publication of the Leviathan comic version that was uploaded.
I received a certified letter from the Wonderlab comics writer and the Leviathan comics writer around December 2023 last year.
The certified letter was received through the 'PM User Association (Game Consumer Association)', which was in a legal dispute until recently, and the content was that Project Moon should give up all rights, including copyright rights, to Wonder Lab and Leviathan comics.
Specifically, we received a final notice that all rights, authorizations, agreements, and consents to Wonder Lab and Leviathan would be completely withdrawn.
In addition, the writers registered themselves as copyright holders with the Korea Copyright Commission without any consultation with Project Moon.
After the first certified letter, we exchanged responses to the certified letters three times, but after our response at the end of January 2024, which attached conversation records and work records, we received no response from the opposing law firm, and Project Moon did not take any action as requested.
After that, the 'Game Consumer Association' and the 'Wonder Lab' writers filed a copyright civil lawsuit against Project Moon.
In order to avoid continuing the copyright dispute and reach a clear conclusion, we will proceed with the copyright dispute lawsuit, and accordingly, we will stop publishing the published Leviathan comic version.
In addition, we decided to actively respond to the notice that Project Moon gave up all rights and unilaterally registered the work with the Korean Copyright Commission, so we have written this notice.
We will proceed with a copyright lawsuit to have the two comics, Wonder Lab and Leviathan, recognized as Project Moon's 'works created in the course of business.'
The information provided below is the limited but detailed information that we can provide at the moment. This is for those who have questions about the situation.
Please read it carefully as it is relatively long.
One of the things Project Moon received was that since Project Moon did not directly participate in the production of the comic, the copyright of the comic is entirely the work of the respective authors, and therefore it is unfair for Project Moon to claim rights to the comic.
However, Project Moon signed a contract with the authors as a contract employee during the comic series. In addition, we wrote a contract and worked on it with the goal of paying a monthly salary during the contract period and treating it as a work-related work that was drawn as a Project Moon employee while receiving a salary.
This content is more clearly stated in the Leviathan cartoon writer recruitment notice, and you can see that it was notified in advance.
2021.05.28 [Project Moon Worldview-based Webtoon Serial Writer Recruitment] - https://projectmoon.postype.com/post/9941572
There is a record of Project Moon employees, including me as the director, working on the cartoon through direct production feedback such as planning and review during the cartoon production process.
In this way, we wrote a contract to produce cartoons as employees of the company, and regardless of the serialization status of the manuscript, we paid a salary of more than 3 million won, the same as employees, according to the contract every month.
In addition, during the Leviathan serialization, we also paid incentives at the same percentage as the incentives given to the development staff.
In other words, the two writers created the cartoon as employees of Project Moon, and were paid the same compensation as employees according to the contract.
Nevertheless, I do not understand the fact that they claim to be the sole copyright holder as external writers and demand that Project Moon give up all rights, so I plan to take legal action.
Separately from the form of the work, in the case of Leviathan, the writer posted an article saying that Project Moon unilaterally notified them to stop serializing.
I will tell you my position on this. At the time of serialization, Project Moon received a call from the writer saying that it seemed that they would no longer be able to continue serializing Leviathan, and the company accepted this and urgently changed the serialization to a novel while Limbus Company was being developed. In the process, we reached an agreement based on consideration for the other writer, saying that we would post a notice stating that Project Moon was largely at fault so that the writer would not suffer any damages from the responsibility. The writer expressed his gratitude for this, and it remains on record. Although there may have been some immaturity in the process of preparing the Leviathan comic, I would like to clarify that I have never given notice of discontinuation of the series. I plan to submit the conversation and records regarding this in court.
I heard that the Wonderlab writer asked me to draw Leviathan differently from Wonderlab, but not in a PC way. I also answered this in an email exchange with the Wonderlab writer around August of last year. I will transfer some of the email responses from August 2023.
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I would like to cautiously address the question, 'I heard later that Wonderlab was too strong and not in the direction you wanted, and that you asked me not to make the comic 'PC' in the future.'
I don't know where or how the content you mentioned was delivered, but I think the writer must have been very upset and offended when he heard it.
If I may be cautious, when discussing Wonderlab, I remember that at the writer's request and in agreement, we decided not to set or reveal the genders of the Wonderlab characters. However, from then on, we decided that there needed to be settings and descriptions related to gender. This is because, in Project Moon’s works so far, we have tried not to let the narrative or treatment differ depending on gender, but we have rarely decided on gender itself. So, we even thought about deciding on gender in the next work, and I think that kind of story has been distorted.
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Wonder Lab also has records of planning and discussions regarding fantasy entities that appear in the comics.
In 2020, when the company was small, we exchanged work feedback through a group chat room on KakaoTalk, and all of the work and communication records from that time remain. We plan to submit this in full in court as well.
We apologize for causing concern to fans outside of the work in relation to copyright.
We did not respond as much as possible to the posts that the writers made on the Internet, and waited for the misunderstanding to be resolved someday. However, we received a request to give up all rights, so we concluded that we had no choice but to respond.
Project Moon will actively respond to copyright disputes and take action based on the results.
Also the characters in Wonderlab not having a canon gender wasn't something the Wonderlab artist chose, it was something KJH decided on in order for the comic's characters to fit more closely with the nuggets in Lobotomy Corp and he was offended when people called it "PC"
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Also a new Charge type or Charge adjacent effect called Charge Storage was added in the files.
"id": "ChargeStorage",
"buffClass": "NonvolatileBuff",
"buffType": "Positive",
"maxStack": 5,
"canBeDespelled": false,
"list": [
{
"ability": "ChargeStorageFirstAbility",
"value": 0.1,
"buffData": {
"buffKeyword": "Charge",
"turn": 1
}
},
{
"ability": "ChargeStorageSecondAbility",
"value": 5,
"buffData": {
"buffKeyword": "Charge"
}
}
],
"categoryKeywordList": [ "CHARGE" ]
Edit2: Project Moon has posted chat logs between the Director and the artists of both Wonderlab and Leviathan.
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Mr. Loland
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Listen, Mr. Ji-Hoon, I will gladly contribute to your warchest. On one condition, and here's a hint, it starts with an "erl" and ends with a "king"....
Shitposting aside, this is a huge pain in the ass. I wonder how these two authors were convinced to do something so perplexingly retarded- I imagine they were convinced they'd be able to extract settlement money or royalties, so it's worth a shot. Wonderlab hardly matters, and the creator of that was already known for being mentally unstable. Limbus Company can't exactly "continue on" without holding the rights to Leviathan, though, and Leviathan was a pretty great work at that.
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It's even more dickish, since the Project Moon Users Association who the artists are working with, purposefully started shit now right after the livestream announcement.
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Have you ever talked to an artist before? They are all like this lol, it transcends culture.