Law Prince Andrew Trial

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Fall from Grace
In November 2019, the BBC's Newsnight arranged an interview between Prince Andrew and Emily Maitlis in which he publicly recounted his dealings with Epstein for the first time. The interview was recorded in Buckingham Palace on 14 November and broadcast on 16 November.Prince Andrew said that he met Epstein in 1999 through Maxwell; this version contradicts the account given by the Duke's private secretary in 2011, who said the two met in "the early 1990s".[The Duke said he did not regret his friendship with Epstein, saying "the people that I met and the opportunities that I was given to learn either by him or because of him were actually very useful"
The walk in the park where he supposedly ends ties with Epstein
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Attempts to Silence the Scandal
Maxwell Guilty verdict means bad news for Prince Andrew’s civil case [a]
With the conclusion of the Maxwell case, attention will now turn to a U.S. civil suit in which the plaintiff alleges Maxwell and long-time boyfriend Jeffrey Epstein took her to London, New York and the U.S. Virgin Islands to have sex with Andrew when she was underage.
While U.S. criminal cases must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, civil defendants can be ordered to pay financial damages if they are found responsible based on a preponderance of the evidence.

The verdict is problematic for Andrew because he has long been friends with Maxwell, Even after Epstein was charged with sex crimes, Andrew failed to distance himself from her.
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Virginia Giuffre states that Jeffrey Epstein sex-trafficked her to Prince Andrew accepted a $500,000 settlement from Epstein in 2009 and agreed she wouldn't sue him or any other “potential defendant,” according to a court document unsealed Monday.
The Duke of York's lawyers say the agreement between accuser Virginia Roberts Giuffre and Epstein should bar Giuffre from suing Andrew now. Andrew and Giuffre are likely to face cross-examination under oath by 14 July 2022 and a civil trial is possible before the end of the year 2022.
Pre-Trial
Giuffre's lead lawyer, David Boies, said the 2009 settlement is "irrelevant" to the lawsuit against Andrew because it doesn't mention the prince by name. He said in a statement Monday that Giuffre's team sought to have the settlement made public to refute Andrew's argument that it absolved him of liability by implication.
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Its not going well already , Andrew has been stripped of his titles and will defend himself as a "private citizen" [a]
Duke will also cease to be called 'His Royal Highness'
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The civil case will now move into a discovery phase where Andrew may have to sit for an interview under oath - known as a deposition.

Giuffre v. Prince Andrew , was settled out of court mere weeks from when the prince was going to give a witness testimony under oath.

Ghislaine Maxwell Trial
 
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US court, right?

Calling it now, the royal formerly known as "Prince" Andrew didn't kill himself.
sooo, Andrew ... Windsor?
Next move is to order him to change his surname back to Saxe-Coburg.

As an aside, how much must this sick for Lizzy. Husband dead, favorite son a chomo, favorite grandson a pussy-whipped idiot, all in the span of a couple years. Hell of a way to ride off into the sunset.
 
Honestly I'm surprised that a US Court has the weight to actually make a Prince show up and have to face charges at all. I know he's losing his royal/diplomatic protection and we have extradition, but we're getting a prince easier than we got Julian Assange.
 
Honestly I'm surprised that a US Court has the weight to actually make a Prince show up and have to face charges at all. I know he's losing his royal/diplomatic protection and we have extradition, but we're getting a prince easier than we got Julian Assange.
I might be wrong on this, but it's not like an extradition. It's civil court, if he doesn't put up a defense it just results in him being found guilty?
 
Honestly I'm surprised that a US Court has the weight to actually make a Prince show up and have to face charges at all. I know he's losing his royal/diplomatic protection and we have extradition, but we're getting a prince easier than we got Julian Assange.
I pretty sure most conservative originalists judges would froth at the mouth of this opportunity.
sticking it to british royalty one more time.
 
Prince Charles and Prince William allegedly urged the Queen to strip Prince Andrew of his royal patronages in a summit-style meeting at Windsor,
The Queen reportedly made the decision after a meeting with her eldest son and the Duke of Cambridge.
Both Prince William and Prince Charles were said to be in complete agreement that Andrew must go. The pair were “completely furious” after Prince Andrew “crossed a red line”. [a]


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sex-case andy
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he's royalty
Not anymore since he's been forced to abdicate his titles. I'm not familiar at all with the intrigues of royalty and the rules of claims and all that, but from what I was told in the other thread, he's ass-fucked. He can't even call himself His Royal Highness in any official capacity anymore. He's stuck defending himself as Andrew Windsor, not His Royal Highness Prince Andrew of Wales.

From the Ghislane Maxwell trial thread: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59987935
The response from Buckingham Palace has been swift and almost brutal.
The Royal Family is being firmly distanced from the toxic fall-out from the allegations against Prince Andrew.
He will have to defend himself against Virginia Giuffre as a private citizen, there will be no more His Royal Highness in this court case.

This is claimed to have been by mutual agreement, a stepping back rather than something imposed.
But the military titles and royal roles will go to other members of the family, which means they won't be coming back to Prince Andrew whatever the outcome.
The door is being closed on a return to public life.
(Emphasis Mine)
Although he does seem to be keeping his constitutional role as "counsellor of state", one of four royals who can undertake the Queen's official duties, should she be unwell.
The latest Palace announcement means he has lost military titles including Colonel of the Grenadier Guards - one of the most senior infantry regiments in the British army.
The other UK military titles he no longer has include:
  • Honorary air commodore of RAF Lossiemouth
  • Colonel-in-chief of the Royal Irish Regiment
  • Colonel-in-chief of the Small Arms School Corps
  • Colonel-in-chief of The Royal Lancers (Queen Elizabeth's Own)
  • Colonel-in-chief of the Yorkshire Regiment
  • Commodore-in-Chief of the Fleet Air Arm
  • Royal colonel of the Royal Highland Fusiliers
  • Royal colonel of the Royal Regiment of Scotland.
The duke will also lose several overseas honorary roles including colonel-in-chief of The Royal Highland Fusiliers Of Canada, colonel-in-chief of the Royal New Zealand Army Logistic Regiment, colonel-in-chief of the Princess Louise Fusiliers of Canada and colonel-in-chief of the Queen's York Rangers (1st American Regiment).
But he will retain his service rank of Vice-Admiral, the Palace has confirmed.
As an ex-member of the armed forces, he was promoted in line with his still-serving peers and made Vice-Admiral by the Navy on his 55th birthday in 2015.
The duke was due to be promoted to Admiral on his 60th birthday in 2020, but asked to defer this after stepping back from public duties in 2019.
Pertinent bits. He retains the authority to act in the Queen's stead if she is unwell thanks to being her son, and his earned service rank of Vice Admiral of the Royal Navy but aside from that his old lady's stuck the fork in him.
 
Andrew's got the protection to sing like nobody else ever has. He doesn't give a shit if it hurts the American political/industrial machine. He's old, he's royalty, and he's damn near untouchable.

Be funny if he went full "HE FUCKED HER! I SAW IT! HE DID IT!" and started pointing at all the big names.

Could you imagine the crash if he started fingering powerful people for the court instead of preteen girls?
He won’t. He also won’t have to worry about Feds using his Civil Case deposition testimony, (where he will surely lie and/or contradict himself), as a way to file perjury charges on him.

One Big Name had to swing over Epstein, and Prince Andrew is the one who drew the short straw, simple as that. They’ll go as easy as they can on him, he’s not going to jail like he would have years back if he’d been a Pleb caught fucking a child , but life is going to suck for him for sure.
 
Andrew "Fucked her in the loo" Windsor
Andrew "She's only 2" Windsor
Andrew "Smell my finger, it's her poo" Windsor
Andrew "I found your first pube" Windsor
 
So what happens to his 10,000 men? Are they up or down?
 
There once was this prince, Duke of York
Whom into his ass the queen stuck a fork
We know you're a nonce
Get out of here at once
Or I order the Black Watch t'all give you a pork.
 
Both Prince William and Prince Charles were said to be in complete agreement that Andrew must go. The pair were “completely furious” after Prince Andrew crossed a red line”.
Uhh...did they leave him alone with Charlotte? Or did Eugénie or Beatrice out him for shit he did to them?
 

Prince Andrew's lawyers say accuser may have false memories​


The Duke of York's lawyers want to question a psychologist who treated the woman accusing him of sexual assault, claiming she may "suffer from false memories".
Court documents show they want Virginia Giuffre's husband, Robert, and psychologist Dr Judith Lightfoot to be examined under oath.
Ms Giuffre's legal team want to call the prince's former assistant.
Prince Andrew has repeatedly denied the allegations.
With a trial due to go ahead after a judge threw out the prince's motion to dismiss the civil case, both parties are requesting help with calling witnesses overseas to give evidence.
Judge Lewis Kaplan, who is hearing the case in New York, has asked for witnesses' evidence to be taken by lawyers by 14 July and said a trial could take place in court later this year.
Prince Andrew, 61, faces allegations by Ms Giuffre that he was one of the men who had sex with her while she was being trafficked by the late financier Jeffrey Epstein at the age of 17 - a minor under US law.
The prince's lawyers want to question his accuser's husband, Robert Giuffre, about their household finances and how he met his wife around 2002, according to court documents.
They also want to ask her psychologist, Dr Judith Lightfoot, about subjects they discussed at her sessions and see her doctors' notes and medicines prescribed.
The legal team argue Ms Giuffre, now 38, "may suffer from false memories", and also want to examine Dr Lightfoot about the "theory of false memories".
Dr Lightfoot and Mr Giuffre, who both live in Australia, would be requested to be examined under oath in person or by videolink, the documents show.
A false memory expert, psychologist Dr Elizabeth Loftus, testified at the trial of Epstein's former girlfriend Ghislaine Maxwell in December, before Maxwell's conviction on sex-trafficking charges.
She said people continually reconstructed their memories rather than retrieving them as if from a recording device, and they could be subject to "post-event suggestion".
But she conceded while "peripheral memories" of traumatic events may be forgotten, core memories may get stronger.
Meanwhile, court documents show lawyers for Ms Giuffre are seeking testimony from two people in the UK.
Her legal team want Robert Olney, the prince's former assistant, to provide a statement.
A letter submitted to the Royal Courts of Justice in London says Ms Giuffre has reason to believe Mr Olney has relevant information about Prince Andrew's relationship with convicted child sex offender Epstein.
This is because Mr Olney's name appears in publicly-available copies of Epstein's phone book, her lawyers say.

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Watch: Why Prince Andrew's military titles and royal patronages meant so much
Another letter seeks testimony from Shukri Walker, explaining she stated in the press that she was a potential witness to Prince Andrew's presence at the Tramp nightclub around the time Ms Giuffre said she was abused.
Ms Giuffre has said they visited the club in London before she was assaulted in 2001, but the court documents note the duke has denied being at Tramp on the night in question or ever having met Ms Giuffre.
The developments come after Buckingham Palace announced on Thursday that Prince Andrew's military titles and royal patronages have been returned to the Queen.
"The Duke of York will continue not to undertake any public duties and is defending this case as a private citizen," the palace said in a statement.
 
I have a feeling all this stress of her favourite son being condemned by nonce court might be quickening Her Majesty's demise... The Queen's death and ensuing hysterics would certainly move the royal headlines away from this issue for a while. Could be convenient for them if she conks out soon.
 
He just wanted to live like a popstar, David Bowie, Jimmy Page, John Peel and Iggy Pop all fucked 13 year olds and everybody stands and applauds.
If Andrew had played the guitar, everybody would have thought fucking a 17 year old was fine.
 
He just wanted to live like a popstar, David Bowie, Jimmy Page, John Peel and Iggy Pop all fucked 13 year olds and everybody stands and applauds.
If Andrew had played the guitar, everybody would have thought fucking a 17 year old was fine.
What about Jerry Lee Lewis, though. He didn’t just fuck his 13 year old second cousin, he LEGALLY married her, and still got a ton of shit for it while Elvis had Priscilla living with him at Graceland at 15?

Oh, that’s right. JLL played the piano.
 
Andrew, name 'n shame. We know you fucked underage girls, but fuck over the other people in the flight logs.

We got Bill Clinton, Jamie Foxx, DRUMPH, etc in the logs and they should face punishment.
 
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