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The launch of ChatGPT in 2022 ignited the artificial-intelligence boom—and elicited a chorus of warnings from AI bosses of an impending jobs apocalypse. Never mind that they have reason to talk up the disruptiveness of their products, or that rich-world employment is near all-time highs—the dark message has landed. Seven in ten Americans think AI will make it harder for people to find work; nearly a third fear for their own jobs. A dearth of openings for college graduates—especially computer programmers—amplifies the dread.

The past offers some solace for the anxious. Labour markets constantly change. Today’s offices would be unrecognisable to a worker from 50 years ago. Never in modern history has technological progress hurt the overall demand for human labour. Economic historians now play down the magnitude of “Engels’ pause”, the period during the Industrial Revolution in which working-class wages grew more slowly than the wider economy.

Yet history is not always a good guide to the future, as the Industrial Revolution itself showed. The top AI models are awesome. They can tackle much more complex coding tasks than people were predicting a year ago. The number of AI agents has exploded. Spending on AI by businesses is up dramatically. Annualised recurring revenue of Anthropic, a hot model-maker, is set to reach $50bn by the end of June. There is no evidence yet in the labour-market data of AI destroying many jobs. But given how fast it is improving, it would be rash to dismiss fears that it will. Society may be on the verge of a profound reallocation of resources, and political upheaval.

Economists’ prediction that work will stay plentiful is less reassuring than it looks, especially over a long horizon. Though the market will find uses for human labour even as models and robots become more capable, the quality of those jobs and the wages they pay are not guaranteed. Data centres will account for 8.5% of America’s peak power demand in 2027, up from 4.1% in 2025, predicts Goldman Sachs, a bank. As AI firms bid up the price of land and energy, the dollars people earn will go less far. Eventually humans could, like horses in the age of the car, become uneconomical. Income may go mostly or entirely to owners of capital, who then go on to spend it on things that are made by AI and robots using natural resources that they monopolise.

This dystopian possibility is behind Silicon Valley’s admonitions that state intervention, and perhaps a universal basic income, will be necessary. That remains a long way off, if it ever happens. But governments may have to act sooner, for you do not need a cataclysm to stoke popular fury. Perhaps 2m Americans lost their jobs between 1999 and 2011 owing to China’s entry into the global trading system. That is no worse than a typical month’s lay-offs in America’s churning labour market. Yet the “China shock” helped propel Donald Trump to office and led to the highest tariffs since the 1930s.

The white-collar employees threatened by AI have more political and social clout than factory workers hurt by Chinese competition. Even a small number of lay-offs could provoke a backlash against the technology; furious opposition to new data centres is a hint of what may be to come. Severe disruption to the security and status of many people could lead to widespread unrest, even revolution.

What should governments do? One set of ideas involves slowing down change. China has urged its companies to adopt AI, but not to lay off workers. Prominent economists around the world have proposed higher taxes on capital and lower ones on labour. Some campaigners want levies on data centres. Inhibiting technology is not, however, a wise path to choose. Humanity is likely to reap enormous benefits from AI: not just greater wealth, but progress fighting diseases and solving problems such as climate change and poverty. Had the Luddites stopped the automation of textile mills in early 19th-century England, the world would be far worse off today.

A second category of countermeasures would be better. If employment falls, income that once went to workers is likely to show up as high profits in AI firms, chipmakers, data centres or elsewhere in the supply chain. Clever tax reforms, such as levies on corporate profits that are above a normal return on capital, on land and on natural resources, could capture these rents. The case for inheritance taxes to prevent the entrenchment of a capital-owning elite looks even stronger than before.

At the same time governments could help workers adjust. Public wage-insurance, which smooths out falls in income after job losses, can help workers find better opportunities (and so can eventually pay for itself). Denmark’s active labour-market policies, in which the state helps people find and train for new occupations, have been proved to cut spells in unemployment.
These ideas would make the economy more efficient and fairer regardless of AI. Would they satisfy voters facing disruption and uncertainty? In a populist era technocratic reforms are a hard sell. Past efforts to help workers adjust to trade liberalisation failed to stop the “China shock” backlash. In an all-AI workforce, humans will need help surviving, not adjusting.

Hence a last set of radical ideas, such as the partial nationalisation of AI firms. This week a South Korean presidential adviser floated a citizens’ “dividend” from AI businesses, sending the local stockmarket down by 5%, before backtracking. In America politicians murmur about giving citizens shares in AI companies via “Trump accounts”. In economic terms there is little difference between a well-designed tax system and a government stake in the private sector—and countries without AI giants will have to rely on taxes rather than seizing shares in foreign companies. But America may find that some public ownership is the best way to make the social upside from the technology transparent.

Concentrations of rent must be confronted early, before the power of rentiers is too great. The jobs apocalypse is not yet here. But if governments wait for conclusive evidence before creating a safety-net, it will be too late. Better to start now.
 
The AI that can't read a clock half the time is going to push us into a new economic era, sure.
 
The apocalypse I expect from AI isnt it causing mass job loss. (that I think will be negligible once they realize how incompetent it is) The real threat being when the bubble pops how much money has been dumped into what will turn into a black hole, there's no way it won't reverberate across the entire economy. The real job threat is outsourcing and migration aka Actually Indians

The real use case for ai though is to enhance the surveillance state, that part of the ai bubble will be kept afloat.
 
The real job threat is outsourcing and migration aka Actually Indians
You gotta feel bad for white niggas in America who went into computer science and got all certified up, only to see that every job was unavailable to them and instead given to jeet slave labor.
 
There is always a "threat" to jobs. Remember around the Covid era, they were talking about self driving vehicles becoming the norm. That millions of truckers would be out of jobs and chaos would reign.
 
Oh wow, amazing how the solutions to Current Thing are all the same things that j*urnos/Leftists always wanted: bigger government, nationalization, wealth & inheritance taxes, universal welfare, and no slowdown in importing the world's cheap replacement labour.

Public wage-insurance, which smooths out falls in income after job losses, can help workers find better opportunities (and so can eventually pay for itself)
I love how they jump to tiny cohesive Scandinavian ethno-states for their success stories. Surely after 70 years and trillions spent on "Great Society" programs, you can point to some 4th generation welfare "investments" that are about to pay off...
 
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Might be true if you're a journo. I'd be worried too.
Ironically computers are really fucking awful at lying, even when we order them to do so directly. They always seem to squeak out a way to notice patterns they're not supposed to, admit facts they're not supposed to, etc.

I suspect we'll never be able to adequately simulate "lying" via LLM the way these natural-born liars do it.
 
They always talk about AI stealing jobs, but never H1Bs. Plus, a large part of me feels like they're prepping for the financial collapse and making sure they can blame something a lot of people don't know much about: AI. But, they'll make sure to protect the H1Bs because they are precious to the elites.
 
Ironically computers are really fucking awful at lying, even when we order them to do so directly. They always seem to squeak out a way to notice patterns they're not supposed to, admit facts they're not supposed to, etc.

I suspect we'll never be able to adequately simulate "lying" via LLM the way these natural-born liars do it.
I can be mitigated with context. It does not take too much work around to get an llm to argue in bad faith if you need it to.
 
AI isn't going to take any jobs, already giant corpos are scaling it back due to how unreliable and expensive it is.

The real threat is the 2 trillion dollar AI bubble popping and potentially collapsing the already fragile U.S economy.
 
AI isn't going to take any jobs, already giant corpos are scaling it back due to how unreliable and expensive it is.

The real threat is the 2 trillion dollar AI bubble popping and potentially collapsing the already fragile U.S economy.
The amount of circular financing in that shit alone is probably going to take some legacy companies out via collateral damage.

Although I expect a bailout anyway.
 
Maybe if people owned their own means of production as was commonplace prior to the turn of the previous century people wouldn't be so dependent on 'Job creators' for their personal wellbeing.
You gotta feel bad for white niggas in America who went into computer science and got all certified up, only to see that every job was unavailable to them and instead given to jeet slave labor.
No I don't. It was obvious before 2010 that the market was oversaturated even before eternal Jeet spam which is why I walked away from it and went into something else.
 
The real threat is the 2 trillion dollar AI bubble popping and potentially collapsing the already fragile U.S economy.

The plan right now is for a series of IPOs (SpaceX-AI, OpenAI, Anthropic) all at trillion-dollar+ valuation. The IPOs will lead stupid people to directly buy the stocks and the market caps of these companies will force not so stupid people to end up owning these stocks because of how "safe" index funds work. Index funds in the stock market weight stocks in the portfolios by market cap. The other entities with massively overweight investment in AI companies are public pension funds.

The only good news coming out of AI is that it turns out the majority of the "data center" construction is in reality real estate investment scams. There is no intent on the part of most of those people to build anything. One of the shark tank guys is in the news with a massive data center project in Utah. But his intent seems to be to get the property and then all the public approvals for the project and then find someone incredibly stupid to pass the thing off to.

The time to flee the market will probably be when the final trillion-dollar AI IPO happens. Because at that point, there will be no further incentive to keep the game going.
 
I can't wait for AI to take this guy's job

Nigga I'm that guy

literally same. finished my comp sci degree just in time for all the tech jobs to dry up due to H1B imports. but oooOoOooOOOooOo spoOOoOoky AI is going to steal the job a jeet already stole from me. good. I hope he gets shipped straight back to Delhi and spends the rest of his life cleaning cow shit clogs out of everyone's cow shit gas harvester tanks
 
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