Porn Ban Debate Thread

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Endless Torment said:
I do like the extreme anti-porn sentiment on this site, but people also flipped out about the new anti-revenge porn laws because it will hurt Kiwifarms because Kiwifarms does host revenge porn.
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"Revenge porn" in this case being things the people involved willingly posted to the public or to their OnlyFans, which was then leaked. Unfortunately for the latter, pics of someone being an ethot are a commercial product and protected by fair use, and for the former, we have been told for the past 20 years to assume that the moment it's on the Internet, it's there forever. If my wife and I broke up tomorrow and I posted a pic she sent me to tease me when I was at work ~2 years ago, that would be the image in people's minds of revenge porn, for example. The attempts to expand that definition to "sexually explicit images, at all, for the purposes of humiliating someone", are the umbrella under which Kiwifarms would be said to host revenge porn. As pretty much anything on Kiwifarms is just what people have already said on clearnet in the open with archives, the expectation that the images and videos in question were to be kept in confidence is simply not there.
 
Staticness said:
"Revenge porn" in this case being things the people involved willingly posted to the public or to their OnlyFans, which was then leaked. Unfortunately for the latter, pics of someone being an ethot are a commercial product and protected by fair use, and for the former, we have been told for the past 20 years to assume that the moment it's on the Internet, it's there forever. If my wife and I broke up tomorrow and I posted a pic she sent me to tease me when I was at work ~2 years ago, that would be the image in people's minds of revenge porn, for example. The attempts to expand that definition to "sexually explicit images, at all, for the purposes of humiliating someone", are the umbrella under which Kiwifarms would be said to host revenge porn. As pretty much anything on Kiwifarms is just what people have already said on clearnet in the open with archives, the expectation that the images and videos in question were to be kept in confidence is simply not there.
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The Destiny tape would be the first thing that comes to mind and even the Gunt tape is revenge porn. The site does host revenge porn despite it being funny and relevant to the lolcows that appear in them.
 
Pornography must be destroyed. Its a great evil which enables rape, trafficking and sexual exploitation of women and children. Its also widely available, addictive and turns people into degenerates.

So yes, it should be banned.
 
I don't know about a total ban, but I think banning it from major social media platforms and forcing all porn sites to have some sort of ID age verification system wouldn't be bad. Also have some sort of registry of actors in porn and legally require them to sign up to try and mitigate minors ending up being exploited. You would also have to ban home made amateur shit to make the registry work, but I think this way would be the best.
 
People have had access to pornography for most of human history—ever since we learned to record ideas in written or visual form. And for the most of history it wans't a big problem.
The real problem began when technology removed nearly all the barriers to accessing it, aka 2007, when iPhone was released. Suddenly, anyone could watch porn anytime, anywhere, just by pulling a phone out of their pocket.
A complete ban isn’t necessary, but we do need to make access more inconvenient—intentionally placing speed bumps in the way of viewing even a single video. The goal is to reduce the constant stimulation bombarding the brain and senses.
Just imagine if a slot machine required you to solve a CAPTCHA before every pull, it would probably discourage 80% of gamblers right away, and prevent 95% of potential future gamblers from even starting.
 
The sissy hypno porn should probably be investigated at the very least. And yes porn sites should have some sort of age verification outside of the 'agree or disagree' popup. There are or should be laws in place about showing minors pornography.
 
Porn is banned in South Korea. And then so everyone streams porn from Japan. Spy cameras in Womens bathrooms are out of control
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And with the ban on prostitution, the illegal market flourishes, with child prostitution available
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Once the ban comes, theres no legal protections for women or children from abuse, enjoy the utopia
 
A porn ban is inherently unenforceable because 1 - the cat’s already out of the bag and the shit’s everywhere, and 2 - anyone can make it at any time. Banning it isn’t productive and will only drive MORE people to access it. Bans have never worked. Remember: prohibition enabled the mob, the war on drugs enabled the cartels, and the highest amount of gun sales in U.S. history was right before the 1994 assault weapons ban took effect.

You know what can be enforced, though? Strict age requirements, REAL ID verification to access the stuff, and a tax on any porn sales (around the same as alcohol and cigarettes).
 
I think there are dumb ways of going about it. For example, over a decade ago, South Carolina attempted to mandate selling porn filters on every computer sold in the state. It never passed, but limiting access to porn is okay if done in the framework of common sense. Society isn't benefiting from people gooning all day on Pornhub and not having children. At the very least, I.D. requirements for viewing porn to limit the access to minors are reasonable. Nor would be unreasonable to levy six taxes on businesses that primarily deal porn, limiting access to obscene materials in schools, or allowing states to reject business licenses for companies that operate on such a basis.
 
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I can think of 3 ways of discouraging porn consumption:
  • Site ID verification: Not a fan of it because it relies on sites to implement and not all of them would. Sure you could block the ones that don't but it would be like whack-a-mole. It might moderately reduce porn consumption but it would also push people to the sites that didn't follow the rules. Those sites would definitely have less moderation and more illegal/extreme content. Also, those sites would attract the ultra degenerates that don't want to tie their tranny midget blacked searches to their ID, pushing them further into the hole. In my opinion, this makes the issue worse.
  • Machine learning algorithms: Every image sent on social media platforms is ran through machine learning algos that can detect 18+ content (including softcore porn like OF promo). You can only see it if you verify you're 18+ with ID. Some platforms do this to an extent, but it's pretty useless since there's no verification. I think this would help and doesn't have many drawbacks.
  • Education: I remember porn being introduced in a playful way during primary school sex ed. There was no talk of it's harm and addiction, it was almost encouraged. Kids should be taught about the negatives of porn in school. This is good but wouldn't do a lot to help.
That being said, none of what I mentioned stops 13 year old me.
 
FatMebius said:
Kids need to know it's as addicting and as damaging as drugs are in some ways.
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if it is as addicting and damaging as drugs why is it not treated like drugs by legal system (aka banned)? Adults know that meth is pretty bad for you, yet should they be allowed to have it because "they are adults"? That's silly
x64x4 said:
Look at the amount of unnecessary turmoil that occurred after the US passed Prohibition back in the 1920's - sure, they managed to completely stop the (legal) production of alcohol during the decade or so that the 18th Amendment was active, but look at how much unnecessary crime it produced.
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the comparison is not apt, since porn is not a perennial beverage that can be used responsibly and virtuously. Yes, people miss use it, just like people misuse cars, money, and the internet, does that mean we should ban them? There can be tangible good effects from alcohol consumption

porn should be treated like abortion. It's evil and has no redeemable qualities, and should be stopped at all instances. Ease of access and lack of criminal consequences of its production and usage increases its consumption, thus making it illegal is the only correct answer
 
Lord of the Large Pants said:
If you don't like looking at titties, you're gay, in which case your opinion doesn't matter. Or you're a woman, in which case your opinion doesn't matter.

Okay, but seriously. Having the government play morality police is stupid and will only act as a back door for surveillance. Don't let porn be easily accessible by ACCIDENT, but trying to keep people from finding it on purpose is impossible and also retarded. Raise your Goddamn kids.
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yes i agree basically. it should be harder to find porn it shouldnt be so accessible a click away but its free speech, imagine arresting someone for writing about sex smut is porn too so are hentais which is just drawings how are those not violating free speech? Even real porn is just sex between consenting adults if anything just stop the sale of it to disincentivize companies from potentially abusing people and doing illegal or unethical stuff itd just be amateur stuff done for free then

If people want to protect kids from seeing it then ban giving or selling to them internet capable devices like phones or video game systems except maybe computers because thats easier for parents to monitor
 
dongykung said:
yes i agree basically. it should be harder to find porn it shouldnt be so accessible a click away but its free speech, imagine arresting someone for writing about sex smut is porn too so are hentais which is just drawings how are those not violating free speech?
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Obscenity isn't considered free speech and the goal is to expand what is considered obscenity is so they can simply ban porn. I would go look at this thread as it's what spurned on this discussion again.
Personally I don't take much stock in people preaching the morality of porn in a place such as this.
 
Banning porn from the internet is pretty much impossible however, impeding others who want to view porn will drastically lower the amount of people who consume it. With proper education coupled with impediments, porn use could see a drastic decline just like smoking or piracy for that matter as only I think 10% of people pirate even though it's extremely easy to do so now. However, because it is more work than simply going on stream and there could be repercussions most people don't.

Now what the government should do is crack down on sites like discord, roblock ect that allow for groomers and pedos to have access to young impressionable children. I don't care about the laws that protect them as discord especially has gone out of it's way to shield pedophiles and should be held accountable.
 
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I don't see how you could realistically ban something that ties into a need every post pubertal person has. No one needs porn, but how many people would be willing to give it up? The volume of consumers and producers for porn would make the war on drugs and prohibition look like stunning successes.

It's a shit industry filled with scumbags, I have no doubt they'd keep at it after a ban.
 
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