EU Pope Francis is dead - GOOD. FUCKING. RIDDANCE.

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Francis became pope in 2013. In recent years, the 88-year-old was forced to cancel some events, sometimes at the last minute, because of his health.

Pope Francis has died at the age of 88, the Vatican has announced.
The pontiff, who was Bishop of Rome and head of the Catholic Church, became pope in 2013 after his predecessor Benedict XVI resigned.
In recent years, his papacy had been marked by several hospital visits and concerns about his health.
On 14 February, the Pope was admitted to hospital for bronchitis treatment.
In the days that followed, the Vatican said he had been diagnosed with bilateral pneumonia and that he had blood transfusions after tests revealed he had low levels of platelets in his blood, which is associated with anaemia.
On 22 February, it said the Pope was in a critical condition after a "prolonged respiratory crisis" that required a high flow of oxygen, and the next day the Vatican said Francis was showing an "initial, mild" kidney failure.
In the following days, thousands of faithful gathered in St Peter's Square to pray for his recovery, as others went to the Rome hospital where he was staying to leave flowers and cards.
He remained in hospital for the rest of the month, with doctors saying that his condition remained "complex".
On 6 March, his voice was heard for the first time since being admitted to hospital in an audio message, in which he thanked well-wishers, before adding: "I am with you from here."
On Sunday, he greeted crowds at the Easter Sunday Service.
His 38-day hospital stay ended on 23 March when he made his first public appearance in five weeks on a balcony at Gemelli where he smiled and gave a thumbs up to the crowds gathered outside.
He returned to the Vatican, making a surprise stop at his favourite basilica on the way home, before beginning two months of prescribed rest and recovery.
Doctors said Francis would have access to supplemental oxygen and 24-hour medical care as needed - adding that while the pneumonia infection had been successfully treated, the pontiff would continue to take oral medication for quite some time to treat the fungal infection in his lungs and continue his respiratory and physical physiotherapy.

'People's Pope'
Born in 1936, Francis was the first pope from South America. His papacy was marked by his championing of those escaping war and hunger, as well as those in poverty, earning him the moniker the "People's Pope".
In 2016, he washed the feet of refugees from different religions at an asylum centre outside Rome in a "gesture of humility and service".
He also made his views known on a wide range of issues, from climate change to wealth inequality and the role of women in the Catholic Church.
His acceptance of the LGBTQ community was unprecedented - beginning with an unexpected remark to reporters on a flight back from Brazil about gay clergy.
He said: "If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge them?"
However, in April 2024 he appeared to reiterate the Vatican's staunch opposition to gender reassignment, surrogacy, abortion and euthanasia, by signing the text "Dignitas Infinita" (Infinite Dignity).
In the same year, his own liberal credentials were questioned after reports he used a homophobic slur behind closed doors.
Pope's health in recent years
As a young man in his native Argentina, Francis had part of one lung removed.
In the last few years of his life, Francis needed a wheelchair or a cane to get around and limited his public speaking while struggling with bronchitis and flu.
Francis first spent time in hospital as pope in 2021 for an operation to remove part of his colon.
In June 2023 he was admitted to hospital for an operation on his intestine. At the time, the Vatican said he had been suffering "recurrent, painful and worsening" symptoms caused by an abdominal hernia.
His recent health issues meant he was forced to miss significant events in the Roman Catholic calendar, including the traditional Good Friday procession at Rome's Colosseum last year.
In 2022, he hinted he might step down if his health deteriorated after he was pictured using a wheelchair due to mobility issues caused by a flare-up of sciatica - a nerve condition that causes leg pain.
His predecessor, the late Benedict XVI, became the first pope to resign in more than 600 years in 2013 instead of serving for life, and died in 2022.
The Pope's original name was Jorge Mario Bergoglio and he previously served as a bishop in Buenos Aires.
An estimated 1.4 billion Catholics across the world will mourn Francis' passing.
 
iirc he was born in South America to a pair of Euro missionaries and isn't hispanic in any way shape or form
Pope Francis was born as Jorge Mario Bergoglio on 17 December 1936[17] in Flores,[18] a neighborhood of Buenos Aires.[17] He was the eldest[19] of the five children of Mario José Bergoglio and Regina María Sívori. Mario Bergoglio was an Italian immigrant accountant [20] from Piedmont. [21] Regina Sívori[22] was a housewife born in Buenos Aires to a family of northern Italian origin.[23][24][25]

I'm supposed to believe paco the vato from san diego who can't even speak spanish is more hispanic than him?
Brazil, which has the largest catholic population in latin america
Even the Bolsonaro fans?
 
You'd have to look back further than that to find a decent model for a faithful steward for the Church - Pius the XII maybe.
There are those who will argue, forcefully and passionately, that Pius XII was the last validly elected bishop of Rome. They will argue that Cardinal Roncalli was improperly selected pope in 1958 in that a different person was initially elected and that people in St. Peter's Square clearly saw white smoke coming from the chimney and later saw it turn black.

It's said that Curia mafia twisted metaphorical arms to negate that previous vote and ensure that Roncalli, a well-known liberal and modernist, would be pope. Roncalli, as John XXIII, would later convene the Second Vatican Council before his death in 1963. (A smaller subset of those who doubt Roncalli's valid investiture note his chosen papal name, John XXIII, had last been used by an antipope in the 15th century.)

These same groups also question the qualifications of Cardinal Montini to be pope (on the grounds that he was a secret freemason), especially in light of his dogged implementation of the liberalising "reforms" of Vatican II.

Only when he decides to speak ex cathedra, is he speaking in a doctrinal capacity.
That makes it official forever, so none of them particularly enjoy the pressure of actually doing that.
The last time a pope spoke ex cathedra was 1950, when Pope Pius XII declared the dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary
Stating exactly when a pope speaks ex cathedra is like trying to nail gelatin to a wall. Most people will agree with your statement above, but will also say that John Paul II also spoke ex cathedra in 1994 in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis when he said the Church has no authority to ordain women. The reason being that there's no procedure or words set out anywhere that will alert the Church that something is definitively being declared ex cathedra and thus infallibly.

But putting that aside, the idea of extra Ecclesiam nulla salus has/had been considered dogma, i.e., infallible truth, by the Roman church for centuries. See, e.g., Council of Florence, Cantate Domino (1441); Leo XII, Ubi Primum, (1824); and Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (1928 ). Today, post Vatican II, the Roman church flat-out denies that heretofore dogmatic statement.  See The Catechism of the Catholic Church.

How can that be? How can something handed down as dogma, and as such, an infallible teaching of the Church, and accepted as such for centuries, be, within the past 60 years, mothballed as one of those, "Yeah, the church says a lot of things. We don't believe that as strictly anymore"? Certainly Francis didn't believe in it as he thought Muslims, Jews, Hindus, what have you, would be saved.

Kinda confusing, no?
 
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After looking through the papabili , I reckon three of the ones likely to actually be Francis' successor are Ambongo, Parolin, and Hollerich. The first one is a more moderate Sarah which gets him non-controversial progressive points, while the second is someone who knows the Vatican and could continue as a good manager. Luxembourg's cardinal could be the middle ground between the two.
It's not really right to have favorites, but Ambongo seems like a good pick
Brazil, which has the largest catholic population in latin america
I've heard liberation theology hurt Brazilian Catholics considerably, which led to a growth in evangelicals and prosperity dudes.
 
He was the eldest[19] of the five children of Mario José Bergoglio and Regina María Sívori. Mario Bergoglio was an Italian immigrant accountant [20] from Piedmont. [21] Regina Sívori[22] was a housewife born in Buenos Aires to a family of northern Italian origin.[23][24][25]

I'm supposed to believe paco the vato from san diego who can't even speak spanish is more hispanic than him?

Even the Bolsonaro fans?
Sounds pretty Italian, what with the Italian and the Italian?
 
We need a pope that will bitch slap MatPat for giving him undertale and screams at him that he will only play DOOM, DOOM II, DOOM64(III),Nu-DOOM 3, DOOM(2016), and DOOM ETERNAL. After that he kicks him out of the vatican and tell him that if he tries to convert, he will be excommunicated out of the church.
 
I've heard liberation theology hurt Brazilian Catholics considerably, which led to a growth in evangelicals and prosperity dudes.
It did. Catholicism is popular among the older people (and zoomer kids because they think the aesthetics are cool)

We have a huge catholic population but most christians are a mish mash of evangelical-catholic bullshit. In politics, most of the politics are some flavor of protestantism. Speaking of Bolsonaro, it's very common among his supporters to boot lick Israel and jews like there's no tomorrow, which is a thing catholics don't really do (and leads to pretty funny fights among the right wing)

Catholicism is really strong in the rural and older population
 
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Honestly the black dude might be the best hope to stop the globohomo crap.
 
> Be the the only poster expressing Christian virtues in the thread
> Gets downvoted by trad Caths and self-proclaimed Orthodox believers


What does god mean by this?
It means that by using this website, we’re all in Hell. A retchid hive of scum and villainy.
Glad he got to see one last Easter.

To be a fly on the wall in the room when they pick the next one. :story:
here’s hoping we see another one of these guys.
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You mean like Jack Posobiec?
 
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