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Universities could be restricted in recruiting students to poor quality courses, under new government plans.
Ministers will ask the independent regulator, the Office for Students (OfS), to limit numbers on courses that do not have "good outcomes".

Education Minister Robert Halfon said imposing restrictions would encourage universities to improve course quality. Labour said the move would "put up fresh barriers to opportunity in areas with fewer graduate jobs".

The advocacy group Universities UK said university was a great investment for the vast majority of students.

A spokeswoman for the organisation warned any measures must be "targeted and proportionate, and not a sledgehammer to crack a nut".

He said any recruitment limits on courses will be a matter for the regulator, the OfS, rather than the government.

He suggested that the OfS would use "existing powers" to look into poor quality courses, saying: "We can't order the Office for Students to do anything."

Labour's shadow education secretary Bridget Phillipson said the announcement was "an attack on the aspirations of young people".

But Mr Halfon dubbed that accusation as "nonsense".

"The Labour party has been obsessed with quantity over quality and had been party of poor standards in education," he said.

Liberal Democrat education spokesperson Munira Wilson said the prime minister was "out of ideas" and had "dug up a policy the Conservatives announced and then unannounced twice over".

She said: "Universities don't want this. It's a cap on aspiration, making it harder for young people from disadvantaged backgrounds to go on to further study." Universities UK said the UK had the highest completion rates of any OECD country and overall satisfaction rates were high.

"However, it is right that the regulatory framework is there as a backstop to protect student interests in the very small proportion of instances where quality needs to be improved," a spokeswoman said.

The idea originated in a 2018 review set up under then-Prime Minister Theresa May. The same review also suggested that more money needed to be pumped into education and that tuition fees needed to be cut - but these are not being implemented.

The new pledge comes ahead of three by-elections in Conservative-held seats on Thursday.
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The government also announced it would reduce the maximum fees universities can charge for classroom-based foundation-year courses, from £9,250 to £5,760. In 2021/22, 29,080 students were studying a foundation degree.

Foundation year courses are designed to help prepare students for degrees with specific entry requirements or knowledge, such as medicine and veterinary sciences.

However, the government said research suggested too many people were encouraged to take a foundation year in some subjects like business, where it was not necessary.

University Alliance, which represents professional and technical universities, said cutting fees for foundation year courses was "disappointingly regressive" and "makes them financially unviable to deliver".

Chief executive Vanessa Wilson said: "Disadvantaged students and the 'Covid generation' will lose out if this provision is reduced or lost."

She added that the government had chosen "to berate one of the few UK sectors which is genuinely world-leading".



No more degrees for the sake of degrees sounds good to me. The 1997 Labour 50% of kids ending up with degrees goal has been disastrous and needs reversing. -studies departments on suicide watch.
 
God I hope not, getting into these courses the day before it starts at it's cheapest point is how you can keep getting student discounts for years, you don't need to do the test or show up to class as well. Great deal would recommend.
 
Our universities are basically far-left globohomo indoctrination centres at this point. Students who graduate with degrees in shit like "Women's Studies" or "Ethnic Studies" end up filling the ranks of left-leaning NGOs and the civil service, influencing and often undermining government policy, demanding mass immigration and promoting degenerate shit like HRT for children and tranny drag queen story hour in schools. . It's like how universities in many countries in Latin America have long been recruiting grounds for Communists and other far-left groups.
 

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Knowing Bongland, a course quality will be determined by the lecturer's political leaning and how much the course advocates on sucking tranny cock.
Can confirm, former uni fag. Shit was pretty silly back in 2017, here's a few things that were unironically brought up in class even though I was studying history
- Incels
- Jordan Peterson
- Alex Jones
- The Far right
Had one soy man get very upset over confederate statues despite being Scottish. He was the resident expert on niggerolgy though so i'm not really surprised but even so, I was there to learn the facts, not opinions but opinions was like 50% of my fucking education there.
 
Can confirm, former uni fag. Shit was pretty silly back in 2017, here's a few things that were unironically brought up in class even though I was studying history
- Incels
- Jordan Peterson
- Alex Jones
- The Far right
Had one soy man get very upset over confederate statues despite being Scottish. He was the resident expert on niggerolgy though so i'm not really surprised but even so, I was there to learn the facts, not opinions but opinions was like 50% of my fucking education there.

I graduated in the early 2010s, my experience was much the same. I studied English Lit and all my lecturers were obsessed with "diversity", "otherness" and "queer theory" , constantly crowbarring these concepts into centuries old texts that had zero relevance to them. Every other text we studied was written by a black author, either poetry or political screeds crying about how oppressed they were and "muh colonialism", and to get good marks you'd have to make statements like "The lack of LGBT or people of colour in Dickens' Great Expectations is certainly problematic and indicative of Dickens being a white supremacist homophobe writing white cis-centric fiction", otherwise you'd get marked down for "failing to challenge white centric narratives".

I was a typical young naive lefty when I enrolled at uni, after three years of tiresome never-ending propaganda I graduated convinced that Enoch was right.
 
The advocacy group Universities UK said university was a great investment for the vast majority of students.
Haha, look at the language they use - great "investment".

How much does it cost to go to uni these days? Because back when I went it was basically free. I didn't have to "invest" anything.

Of course unis actually had some standards back then, and they weren't quite at the point where they take in any old retard who could fill in a loan application form.
 
Shitty polytechnics offering media studies and shit like that to a bunch of fee-paying wogs as a ploy for leave to remain should be shut down.
 
University Alliance, which represents professional and technical universities, said cutting fees for foundation year courses was "disappointingly regressive" and "makes them financially unviable to deliver".

Chief executive Vanessa Wilson said: "Disadvantaged students and the 'Covid generation' will lose out if this provision is reduced or lost."
How, pray tell, does cutting the fee to a course make disadvantaged students lose out? Reducing the cost of the course would be better for poor students.
 
A good idea but one that I can easily see having the wrong intended effect.
Ministers will ask the independent regulator, the Office for Students (OfS), to limit numbers on courses that do not have "good outcomes".
What exactly are degrees that don't have "good outcomes"? If we base it off how successful someone is with that degree then agriculture stands as a great example of an arguably important area of study that would in theory be limited because its not a "good outcome". I do hope they go through with this policy but they need to be very transparent with what criteria they're using to judge the courses.
 
How, pray tell, does cutting the fee to a course make disadvantaged students lose out? Reducing the cost of the course would be better for poor students.
"Makes them financially unviable to deliver" is speech for "we'll cancel the course because it costs us more to run than we make off it."
 
A good idea but one that I can easily see having the wrong intended effect.

What exactly are degrees that don't have "good outcomes"? If we base it off how successful someone is with that degree then agriculture stands as a great example of an arguably important area of study that would in theory be limited because its not a "good outcome". I do hope they go through with this policy but they need to be very transparent with what criteria they're using to judge the courses.
They will keep pumping out (((lawyers))) and (((economists))), and of course (((PPE))) graduates from Oxbridge.

I'm doing alright now and have a good degree but if I could have my time again knowing what I know now I would have learned a trade. I think I'd have been happier and better off much quicker. I hated learning, I got through it but I fucking hated it.
 
I graduated last century, and this was just starting up then. The idea of having 50% of kids at uni for academic degree courses is insane. Academics should be for the most academic 10-15% of kids.
The rest should have really good post 16 options that aren’t academic degree paths. Apprenticeships, technical colleges, etc. We need trades, we need the skilled technical stuff that’s not really degree material but still needs a lot of time and skill. We do not need gender studies degrees, media studies degrees or golf course design degrees. The latter should be some kind of standalone technical college course if you want to do that kind of thing. Nursing doesn’t need to be a degree.
Agricultural college is a valuable thing, and rolling it in with gender studies seems weird to me.
50% of kids in degrees means that kids who are below average intelligence are getting in to do academic degrees courses.
 
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