Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Disc]

They'll probably be some recycled assets in Legends, but with the remakes I feel like the only thing getting recycled will be the pokemon models. It's really too early to tell at the moment especially since BDSP is being worked on by a different company.

They're almost certainly going to use the models that were in home - ILCA's the company who made Home, After all.

I would agree with this but it'd be pretty radical to make a game that previously wasn't open-world one that is, they could have easily just followed the originals exactly but with 3D assets instead (GameFreak aren't exactly known for their innovation).

That's what the remake is gonna be, Legends is likely just them recycling Sword&Shield's assets and development tools for another quick but major game to release, they seem to be trying to release either a main-line series game every year or a near main-line game like the Let's Go games.

I think one of the deciding factors for me is that it’s two sinnoh games, at the same time, and a spin-off game set in a mainline region - which, as far as I'm aware, has never been done before.

first, they set up the wild area in normal SS - people think it’s okay to bad, but just kinda there with little impact on the story. The expansion pass develops that idea further using the same core engine, making wild areas that effectively are independent stories, and many people say they’re the best parts of SwSh content. To then step it up into a full open world is a perfectly logical progression.

Sinnoh is not a region known for being untamed. It has some key landmarks, but compared to say, Hoenn, I wouldn’t pick it as the first place to have an uncivilised prequel in. So why Sinnoh, then? Maybe because of Arceus, but it also makes sense if they were making a more open-world system for DP and then pivoted from it.

As for why they'd look at Sinnoh to BotW-ify in the first place, it might be because of the HMs. Sinnoh had the most hms of any region, and some of them, like rock climb and defog, were never used before or since. Rock climb in particular would be a big one to replace in an open-world game.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

My opinion is that the games were overrated and too much of a childish marketing fad - basically the "catch/trade/battle 100s of Pokemon" was the main gimmick and one-trick pony. Other than that there were just pretty generic and mediocre JRPGs - with little to no plot or character development, and simple "rock/paper/scissors" battles.

The whole appeal of monster catching games is catching and using the monsters you encounter. What you call a one-trick-pony gimmick is just a monster catching game being a monster catching game.

The Combat system is way more intricate than you make it out to be what with there being 18 different types (with some having immunites to other types) and that's not to mention the abilities, EVs and IVs, dual types, etc.

Is your opinion based on the earliest entries or have you tried the later titles?

In the 2020s, there are many infinitely better RPG games in almost every era beyond the "collect 100s of Pokemon" gimmick - and even in that area, I think that games like Nexomon and Gundam G Generation Cross Rays are better, along with having better plot, characters, combat, etc.

That's really a matter of taste. Personally, I've played some JRPGs that I found to be pretty fun, but I still find myself playing some pokemon games fan-made or official.

 

[chimpSculpture]

Sinnoh is not a region known for being untamed. It has some key landmarks, but compared to say, Hoenn, I wouldn’t pick it as the first place to have an uncivilised prequel in. So why Sinnoh, then? Maybe because of Arceus, but it also makes sense if they were making a more open-world system for DP and then pivoted from it.

Sinnoh has always had a theme of folk lore history so a game set in the far past would be best suited to Sinnoh.

Something else that's interesting is that Pokémon existing in the far past with Humans has been shown before, one of the films (Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life I think ?) even had Pokémon in the past being captured with ancient Pokéballs, kinda like in Legends. This game has a lot in common with that film actually except it's specifically feudal themed.

 

[starborn427614]

Sinnoh has always had a theme of folk lore history so a game set in the far past would be best suited to Sinnoh.

Something else that's interesting is that Pokémon existing in the far past with Humans has been shown before, one of the films (Pokémon: Arceus and the Jewel of Life I think ?) even had Pokémon in the past being captured with ancient Pokéballs, kinda like in Legends. This game has a lot in common with that film actually except it's specifically feudal themed.

That was Pokemon 4Ever I think. They're the one on the left in this pic.

 

[Woke Capitalism]

I kept looking, because I was expecting one of those to be goatse. I am...disappointed?

 

[The Iconoclast]

That was Pokemon 4Ever I think. They're the one on the left in this pic.

Yeah 4Ever showed off older Pokeballs, but Jewel of Life showed off an old, probably Greek or Roman style era. I don't think they used Pokeballs though, those harnesses they kept on the Pokemon were what kept them in line.

Though of course that doesn't preclude the existence of Pokeballs in that era

Pokemon is very inconsistent with its lore though (for instance, what came first? Mew or Arceus?), and the game/anime universes are typically considered very separate, so the games certainly have different histories

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Magnezone justifies the entirety of Gen IV. https://youtube.com/watch?v=WWhail91bLg

Reeeee M.O.G.U.E.R.A. is not a monster but a mecha reeeee

Still pretty cool, though.

EDIT:

That was Pokemon 4Ever I think. They're the one on the left in this pic.

Apparently those are what old-school Apricorn Poké Balls are supposed to look like, since in at least Johto, that's how they made them. Kurt is one of the few who knows how to make Poké Balls out of Apricorns, anymore, unless Johto is known for exporting those kinds of Poké Balls.

 

[The Iconoclast]

Speaking of lore inconsistency

 

[Disc]

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I mean, that is already an anachronism because the anime suggests poke balls existed at least four decades ago, in the Celebi movie. Both Oak and Drayden are meant to be in their 50s. At the latest, poke balls were normal sights at 15yrs.

You could also argue that he might have meant poke balls in their modern form, but the most likely answer is that TPC had no plans to make games in the past with poke bab all mechanics, and trying to understand the timeline of the games has always been more creative arts than real deduction.

 

[Cedric_Eff]

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Well it’s hinted that individual regions had their form of Poke Balls like how Johto had the Apricorn Balls. So it’s likely that Unova likely didn’t have them or had something else entirely.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

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What if the joke is Drayden is older than the dinosaurs?

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

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To be fair, he could've been joking about his age.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I gotta admit, I'm almost kinda curious to get back into Pokemon games. I haven't touched one since I beat Emerald on an emulator like 10 years ago.

 

[Wingnut]

Platinum is better. Hopefully they have at least some of its content, but it's the Pokemon Company.

That said, it's funny that people were pissed that ORAS changed too much, and now they're mad that the D/P remakes are changing too little. The Pokemon fanbase is really fucking autistic.

I liked ORAS with the exception of one thing, how they changed Mauville. I'm not talking about just the Game Corner either, I just didn't like the redesign of the city at all, it felt really odd. Otherwise they were perfectly good remakes with nice QoL changes.

 

[BeboRefugee]

Why didn't Gen 8 look like Pokêmon Snap?

Watch the next mainline game be a tremendous graphical downgrade by the series' own standards now.

I'm ashamed to have called this.. not even 6 months lmao

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

I'm ashamed to have called this.. not even 6 months lmao

Graphically, the game's passable. It's the gameplay that matters the most.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

They're already making a remake of Diamond and Pearl? I still remember when the original Diamond and Pearl were brand new.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

They're already making a remake of Diamond and Pearl? I still remember when the original Diamond and Pearl were brand new.

Yep, their also making BoTW Pokemon edition.

 

[BroccoliBrain]

simple "rock/paper/scissors" battles.

Hard disagree when it comes to battling other real people, but I've been out of the franchise for so long I can't say if AI battles are any good, I thought they were kind of shit to be honest. Can someone fill us in here?

 

[StraightShooter2]

Hard disagree when it comes to battling other real people, but I've been out of the franchise for so long I can't say if AI battles are any good, I thought they were kind of shit to be honest. Can someone fill us in here?

All I remember is that in the earlier ones, the AI battles were extremely easy and just boiled down to matching the correct element (e.x. water, fire, grass, etc).

You could be 10-20 levels below your opponent, and as long as you used the right element, you could kill all of his Pokemon in 1-2 shots. The AI was also pretty stupid and would do stuff like heal itself even when its HP bar was full.