Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Marissa Moira]

Pokemon is going to die by a thousand cuts just like Warcraft did. You can already see the retarded gameplay decisions that have taken root.

 

[Ohohdeerling]

I... what? You seem to be objecting to, like, standard fantasy plot no. 3. They do this so that the main and perspective character knows as much about the world as the viewer, and thus is prompted to ask and learn for us.

And the games don’t treat all humans as great. The first game had a festering asshole second human, and Gates to Infinity said most of the humans who came down were defeated. Add on that there’s always a second, natural Pokémon who helps you the whole way through to the end, and I feel like your ‘only humans save the world’ take falls apart.

And that’s all putting aside that you looked at a civilisation of talking animals and your mind went straight to Wakanda.

I mean there are a shit ton of other games that have the character actually established in the world yet can ask all the questions that you want for those that don't know. You don't need to be an actual alien from another dimension to be able to ask questions. Plus it kinda makes me feel detached if I am not actually part of the world, especially when I am reminded constantly.

I never said humans were great, I said that they were the only things capable to fix the big problems. I didnt know that in gates there were other humans before you but still you eventually sort things so my point still stands (unless there is another game that has you as a normal born Pokemon my point can't be wrong cause it is literally what you are and what you do). And yes your partner is a real Pokemon but they seem to be very codependent on you to the point that in the endings that I spoilered happens, it kinda lessens their impact and contribution a bit.

No my mind didn't went to Wakanda, my mind went to superior race tries to fix the problems of inferior race by posing as inferior race. I think Far Cry has that as its premise maybe so maybe it is less racist and more acceptable than I think (especially if you use fantasy races).

 

[Disc]

No my mind didn't went to Wakanda, my mind went to superior race tries to fix the problems of inferior race. I think Far Cry has that as its premise so maybe it is less racist and more acceptable than I think (especially if you use fantasy races).

You're forgetting that there's nothing shown as unique to humans in most of these games, and the person has to be a Pokemon to do nearly everything that they do. And the person chooses to leave the human world behind to be a Pokemon.

There's some exceptions - like the Dimensional Scream - but those are unique to the person, and it's implied that Pokemon can occasionally have it as well.

You're reading a thousand miles deep into 'hey, wouldn't it be cool if I could use thunderbolt like a Pikachu?'

 

[Ido]

This reminds me of the fire emblem fates shit where the other two games were $20 a piece if you spent $50/60 on the main game. While I liked the game as it was my first fe game and I could Phoenix mode my way out of sucking, I hear most people did not like it at all. I feel like pokemons going to be going down this road from now on and as someone who has shelled out for all those fe games, it wasn't worth it then and it probably isnt worth it for this either. I like the idea of adding things along the way to spice things up, but absolutely fuck paying $15-30 for it. For all this, they're getting you for sword/shield, pokebank (until you're able to bring them up), pokemon home, and these two expansions. Way too much money to be sinking into this gen, imo.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

I think the best games in the "core series" are OR/AS. Especially because of the secret bases, the free flying, and the underwater.

The original Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald are pretty good too.

Also I like how there's tubers in those games.

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

Reminder that the GTS is locked behind Home, scummy as fuck

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

I think the best games in the "core series" are OR/AS. Especially because of the secret bases, the free flying, and the underwater.

The original Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald are pretty good too.

Also I like how there's tubers in those games.

I wish I could agree here, I love Emerald but hate the changes made in ORAS. Kirby-tier difficulty with very little of that brutal Kirby postgame challenge.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Kirby-tier difficulty

What's that? Too easy or hard?

I like the Battle Test thing in OR/AS. Only 5 battles, and even if you lose, you still go on to the highest level of difficulty. A level of difficulty that could take hundreds of battles at Battle Tower to get - if it doesn't all reset because of a single loss. Also the Battle Test doesn't make you save before doing it.

 

[Massively Strong Greed]

What's that? Too easy or hard?

I like the Battle Test thing in OR/AS. Only 5 battles, and even if you lose, you still go on to the highest level of difficulty. A level of difficulty that could take hundreds of battles at Battle Tower to get - if it doesn't all reset because of a single loss. Also the Battle Test doesn't make you save before doing it.

Extremely easy. You should play Kirby games, they're very chill unless you go for 100%.

 

[OddEyes]

I like the name mustard it's a silly name.

For me Birch had the silliest name, mainly because when I was younger, I kept calling him Professor Bitch.

I'm really curious what the levels are gonna be at? 70s like it should? How long could it possibly be if they are actually going to want you to run a new team with this (not)starter.

If I can put my tinfoil hat on, considering that the Slowpoke that you get in the games is 12, that the event to get it is in the first town you visit...

... I wanna hazard that it's a low level.

Unless of course GF actually is doing something smart like Level Scaling - Where the trainers and the wild pokemon are scaled to your gym badges or something.

... Now that I think about it, I think that would've been a better way to level cap - You want a stronger monster? They ain't gonna show up at all. Go battle the gyms, at least in that way you don't have to worry about coming across a shiny that the game actively prevents you to fight.

Not to mention, having low leveled critters would make exp grinding much less desirable and push the player to actually fight against the Gym leaders in order to access stronger critters.

 

[Disc]

This reminds me of the fire emblem fates shit where the other two games were $20 a piece if you spent $50/60 on the main game.

Well, don't forget that after Fates came Three Houses, which was a supermassive, standalone, superpopular game.

I'm more leaning this is a continuation of '15 years back up the path' thing that I've mentioned about Game Freak. They had their 'HD is a big thing' stumbling, what follows is a DLC trend.

Reminder that the GTS is locked behind Home, scummy as fuck

Honestly, the GTS might be more automated, but I vastly prefer the Link Code system. I don't have to sift through millions of requests for a level 69 Shiny Arceus to find something useful, all I need is a few appropriate pokemon, an active pokemon discord channel, and a pin code that isn't a meme. It's easy to do a bunch of trades in succession, as well.

 

[Ohohdeerling]

You're forgetting that there's nothing shown as unique to humans in most of these games, and the person has to be a Pokemon to do nearly everything that they do. And the person chooses to leave the human world behind to be a Pokemon.

There's some exceptions - like the Dimensional Scream - but those are unique to the person, and it's implied that Pokemon can occasionally have it as well.

You're reading a thousand miles deep into 'hey, wouldn't it be cool if I could use thunderbolt like a Pikachu?'

I will just say this, I do not want to slog through a subpar story just to play the game, is the reason why i skipped the latest in the mainline when it seems that they are trying to beat the previous generations record in bad story amd cutscenes.

Maybe I would like the game better if it was like the actual game Rogue where you go into a dungeon for treasure and glory and thats it instead of a storyline that really wants you to cry at the final minute because they say it is time to be sad and character development is for the queers. You obviously like the game so don't let me stop you from getting it.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Maybe I would like the game better if it was like the actual game Rogue where you go into a dungeon for treasure and glory and thats it instead of a storyline that really wants you to cry at the final minute because they say it is time to be sad and character development is for the queers.

The game gives you plenty of that, but if you want the gameplay without the story the post game gives you that in spades.

 

[Rivalo]

It does sound like it's giving a blowjob like a champ.

I'm still amazed at how Vinny managed to get AI Dungeon to get that. Funny references aside...

The Direct was fine in my opinion. I've played the PMD Demo already, it's pretty solid, it's just more PMD, and it's pretty much like Super, the only exception being that the A button doesn't do the regular attack any more, just whatever move will deal more damage to the Pokémon in front of you (it actually prioritises type effectiveness, my Cyndaquil uses Ember on most Pokémon, but used Double Kick on a Rattata, good stuff). I'm so glad they kept the original Job Listing mechanic from the first two PMDs, it was one of the things that Super lacked that made the game basically have nothing for you to do once you got Arceus.

However, I'm a bit worried over the fact it doesn't seem to have post-Gen 3 Pokémon (I know Lucario is apparently in, but that was already somewhat in the original Rescue Team, through a statue once you unlock Lucario Rank). Sure, it's a remake of a Gen 3 PMD game, but it'd be nice to have some of the future Pokémon. Other than that, though, it plays well, it looks good (even better than I originally thought while looking at the trailer), it's PMD at its finest. Hell, just the Demo was more enjoyable than Sw/Sh, which is not good for Game Freak. Finally: an actual, non-mobile spin-off, at long last!

Now the expansion, it's better than a third version, yeah. $30 (or your regional equivalent) is a bit too much for what it gives, though, especially since the original game is already so fucking lacking. This isn't a case like when Civ V was already a solid game, and became so much better with its expansions, or XCOM 2 already being great, and getting the amazing additions from WotC, this is a barren game getting content it desperately needed to have SOMETHING for you to do after beating the main story.

The Galarian Legendary Birds and Regis look interesting, and the new legendaries are... Okay, I'm not a big fan of the Isle of Armor's legendary's evolution, they look really weird. Tundra Crown's legendary just makes me ask "why the fuck does it have Triforces on its neck?", but its design is alright.

200+ Pokémon being added, without you needing to pay for the DLC, is good, but this shouldn't even have been a thing of note, the ability to have all Pokémon should have always been a possibility without this update, with the DLC adding the Pokémon to the region itself. Also all legendaries being available is making me laugh at the people who celebrated Landorus being gone, so much for the "balance with the cut Dex", huh?

Regardless, this is better than a third version, even if people who don't even own the game now have to shell out $90 for everything instead of $60 if they had waited and a third version came out. It's a $30 discount on those who bought the game, but a $30 price increase for those who didn't, some people were going to win or lose here regardless of what Game Freak did. But this is how expansion packs have worked for decades now.

I'm also really glad Gen 4 didn't get remakes, those games are still great to this day (especially Platinum and HG/SS), I would have hated to see Game Freak destroy them with how poor their 3D games have been.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

The more I mull over this DLC thing the worse it sounds. $30 is just ten bucks short of a full package 3DS game, so in the grand scheme of things it's not all that much better from a third version. In fact the base Switch game + DLC costs more than two 3DS Pokemon games. On top of this, other cuts from the base game are starting to make a lot more sense...

The GTS for example. Yes, the returning old mons are technically free, but only through other people who've bought the pass themselves, Home (which we still don't know the cost of) or the mercy of Surprise Trades. With the ease of GTS gone, there's just a little bit more incentive for the impatient.

Another is the move tutors. Most of the original ones used for those have become TMs/TRs, so what could they use? The deleted moves. They're more than aware of how important some of those were for competitive, and such players will be forced to cough up that extra cash if they want to stay up to date unless, again, they get lucky with friends to trade around with.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

The GTS for example. Yes, the returning old mons are technically free, but only through other people who've bought the pass themselves, Home (which we still don't know the cost of) or the mercy of Surprise Trades. With the ease of GTS gone, there's just a little bit more incentive for the impatient.

They said there will be other methods to obtain the older mons. They just listed trading as one of them.

 

[El Porko Fako]

Looking forward to the DLC. The $30 price tag stinks, but at least they're adding to a game that was already lacking in content. Getting 200 of the old pokemon back for free is a really nice bonus as well. Really not looking forward to Landorus and Heatran flooding online play again though.

I will just say this, I do not want to slog through a subpar story just to play the game, is the reason why i skipped the latest in the mainline when it seems that they are trying to beat the previous generations record in bad story amd cutscenes.

Do you really go into Pokemon games for the story? Why would you do that to yourself?

 

[Disc]

I'm CAUTIOUSLY optimistic. We know next to nothing about the expacs. I totally get filling in the blanks with dread, but assuming that they've shown us everything they'll have is a bit too much. See: how long they kept Dynamax off the cards.

 

[Ridge Racer]

I just thought of something. Pokemon is basically like Destiny now where they release an incomplete game for $60 and force you to buy like 4 expansion packs for a complete game (I do believe they will add more, at least until the remaining Pokemon are added). Also, I played the demo for Pokemon Rescue Team. I like the backgrounds and the art style, but the models do look a little Gamecube (Colosseum/XD) and I don't like some of the remixes. It's basically RRT but plays like the 3DS games.

 

[Archeops]

I just watched the direct and I'm on the fence about it. On the one hand I'm glad to see that 200+ Pokemon are going to be added Sword/Shield but I HATE the fact that they'll only be available through Sword/Shield's craptastic trading/raid features (and Home's eventual transfer and trading functions). I can also see GF's still trying to find a common ground between revealing too much and too little but it feels like they're erring on the safe side again.

I'm also disappointed that we ONLY got a release date for Home, the lack of news is REALLY unsettling and it makes me feel like it'll be as barebones as humanly possible.

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Rescue Team DX looks interesting but I have a feeling it'll fall into the same issues that the recent The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening remake will encounter if it's a straight-up remake of Red/Blue Rescue Team, mainly not enough content to justify the price tag it'll have.

They said there will be other methods to obtain the older mons. They just listed trading as one of them.

Trading in Sword/Shield is a major pain due to the lack of a GTS, it's just not worth it if all you have is peer-to-peer trading

Honestly, the GTS might be more automated, but I vastly prefer the Link Code system. I don't have to sift through millions of requests for a level 69 Shiny Arceus to find something useful, all I need is a few appropriate pokemon, an active pokemon discord channel, and a pin code that isn't a meme. It's easy to do a bunch of trades in succession, as well.

I said it before and I'll say it again: If your main complaint about the GTS and the reason why you're happy it's gone is "I don't have to dig through countless crap trades to find what I want now!" then you used it wrong. Using the GTS "correctly" means YOU post the trade requests and wait for your request to be accepted, almost all reasonable trade requests that don't involve Legendaries are eventually accepted.