Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Ilikeoreos]

The one pokemon I'll be very disappointed without is Reuniclus, that's the one that got me hyped for black and white and I drew that the day it was revealed. I don't think I have much to worry about considering it's been in X, Y, Sun, Moon but it hasn't been confirmed yet.

Some of the pokemon I never want to see gone are Chinchou and Lanturn (confirmed) Phanpy and Donphan, Wooper and Quagsire (confirmed), Houndour and Houndoom, Sneasel and Weavile (confirmed, thank fuck), Slakoth (I literally don't care about the others), Mudkip, Mawile, Spoink and Grumpig, Spheal Sealeo and Walrein, Piplup, Shinx Luxio and Luxray, Cranidos and Rampardos, Buizel and Floatzel, Woobat and Swoobat, Cottonee and Whimsicott, Petilil and Liligant, Sandile Krokorok and Krookodile, Litwick Lampent and Chandelure, Larvesta and Volcarona, Skiddo and Gogoat, Furfrou, helioptile and Heliolisk, Tyrynt and Tyrantrum, Amaura and Aurorus, mimikyu (confirmed).

Like Bidoof is fucked, Luvdisk and Alomomola are too.

I can live without Dunsparce, Qwillfish, Spinda, Finneon and Lumineon, and probably countless others.

 

[Archeops]

Yeah, but its something they'd only have to do once per console generation and also something that they'd theoretically be able to reuse in a dozen games (Sword & Shield, S2 & S2, Gen9a & Gen9b, G9-2a & G9-2b, etc.). They could also team up with one or more of the other companies developing Pokemon games for the Switch to divide responsibilities, benefiting everybody.

I dunno, most of this shit feel like a failure of management to properly coordinate and allocate development resources.

I have a feeling that's the case here, Town looks really resource-heavy despite being a vanity project. And like Game Freak's other vanity projects it'll be forgotten after a few months, who the fuck remembers Harmoknight or Tembo the Badass Elephant?

The people getting worked up over not being able to bring in old Pokemon are honestly pretty lolworthy. That being said, I'm not happy about it. I would be perfectly fine with not being able to bring certain old Pokemon into Sword/Shield. What I don't like is that once things are sent to Pokemon Home, then they can't go back - not to Bank, not to Go, not to Let's Go - which means that a good chunk of them will literally just be stuck there.

I'll most likely still get Shield whenever I finally get a Switch, but I'm probably not going to transfer my Living Pokedex out of Bank until they either have somewhere all of it could theoretically be moved to, or they signal that they're going to discontinue Bank or somehow alter it so it's only a "one-way" transfer, i.e. things can no longer be moved into a Gen VI/VII game.

After getting over the initial shock of the announcement I'm in the same boat regarding getting the game, only I'll stick to finding it used. Or do what I did for XY/ORAS/SM/USUM and get it from a local mom-and-pop game shop a few days before release, leak the fuck out of the game and/or troll a GameStop midnight release if it hasn't already, and pray that my Switch doesn't get banned.

 

[Ilikeoreos]

One thing I just remembered is that when Ruby and Sapphire came out, it was nearly a year before we were able to legally transfer any non Hoenn pokemon to them. Granted, the data for them still existed in the ROM, but since we couldn't transfer from previous generations at that point I guess you could say it was kinda the same thing. Plus, this was back in the days before you could just send out patches to every console online free of charge. I still think that ROM space played a factor in this decision, but maybe we could still get at least some of the non-Galar mons back somewhere down the line.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

Moving on from the topic of Game Freak's screw ups. Is there some mobile pokemon games anyone plays every now and then? For me, it's pokemon duel (it was also that pokemon mobile rumble thing that bored me pretty quickly).

 

[Rotollo]

The people getting worked up over not being able to bring in old Pokemon are honestly pretty lolworthy. That being said, I'm not happy about it. I would be perfectly fine with not being able to bring certain old Pokemon into Sword/Shield. What I don't like is that once things are sent to Pokemon Home, then they can't go back - not to Bank, not to Go, not to Let's Go - which means that a good chunk of them will literally just be stuck there.

I'll most likely still get Shield whenever I finally get a Switch, but I'm probably not going to transfer my Living Pokedex out of Bank until they either have somewhere all of it could theoretically be moved to, or they signal that they're going to discontinue Bank or somehow alter it so it's only a "one-way" transfer, i.e. things can no longer be moved into a Gen VI/VII game.

the problem with home is it's a cloud based service that could go down easily and would probably require a subscription to access at all times
it just makes me not trust it on principle, with bank at least you could store on any of the 3ds games for storage where as with this you have to hope the servers are stable enough and don't fuck up at any point

One thing I just remembered is that when Ruby and Sapphire came out, it was nearly a year before we were able to legally transfer any non Hoenn pokemon to them. Granted, the data for them still existed in the ROM, but since we couldn't transfer from previous generations at that point I guess you could say it was kinda the same thing. Plus, this was back in the days before you could just send out patches to every console online free of charge. I still think that ROM space played a factor in this decision, but maybe we could still get at least some of the non-Galar mons back somewhere down the line.

If game freak said that from now on pokemon out side of the region would be day one patches or something they would of, don't doubt they are considering the feasibility of it now but I doubt they ever thought of it before the backlash due to them never patching content in on the 3ds.

Moving on from the topic of Game Freak's screw ups. Is there some mobile pokemon games anyone plays every now and then? For me, it's pokemon duel (it was also that pokemon mobile rumble thing that bored me pretty quickly).

I played go for like a week, all there other attempts are kinda looking like shit to me, even that masters game looks like it will be low effort

 

[TrippinKahlua]

So is it true Gen 8 is not compatible with previous Gens? Guess I better forget about Shiny Hunting in my current Black playthrough

 

[Dunsparce]

So is it true Gen 8 is not compatible with previous Gens? Guess I better forget about Shiny Hunting in my current Black playthrough

It's more like all Pokemon can be sent from Pokemon Bank, Pokemon Go, Pokemon Let's Go, and Sword/Shield to Pokemon Home, but not all of them can be put from Home to Sword and Shield. So only Pokemon found in the Galar Regional Dex can be brought over to Sword and Shield, but it can include ones caught in other games.

 

[Polyboros2]

With the total number of Pokemon now over 1000, they probably had to do this to save ROM space. Still not an excuse to get rid of mega-evolutions, but whatever, the game is still enjoyable enough without them. I'm sure that most of the Pokemon being left out are the weak unpopular ones that no one ever uses or remembers. A seperate Switch app designed specifically for competitive battling that has all the stuff from previous generations would probably make up for it if anyone still cares

Gamefreak has had the understanding of Pokedex bloat since at least Black and White. That was a test run off a new region with only new region Pokemon on your first play through (though they also fucked up and put the most legendaries ever and that thinned out the pool a bit). That's kinda the point of Mega Evolutions, Regional Forms, and Ultra Beasts. To make content that could be cut, with out the upset.

I'm just kinda surprised they are going all in on it now. I guess cutting all those things wasn't enough for this Gen. We'll see how they capitulate. If they decide they can't get away with out including the full roster, people are going to be pissed when they turn cuttable content to 11 and you get 40-50 truly new Pokemon per Gen.

 

[Chin of Campbell]

I'm probably going to wait for Super Sword or whatever the sequel will be for these, unless they have resounding reviews or something.

If the leaks are true and they're brining back cross-gen evos I might have more trouble waiting, but we'll see.

 

[Agent Wet]

I have a feeling that's the case here, Town looks really resource-heavy despite being a vanity project. And like Game Freak's other vanity projects it'll be forgotten after a few months, who the fuck remembers Harmoknight or Tembo the Badass Elephant?

I remember them just need to get around finding a copy of either game (unless they are both digital only) but yea I guess thats what happens if you are only known to many as that one company that makes Pokemon other games gets overshadowed easily and I can see them eventually get tired of it.

After seeing whats going on with sword and shield I probably wait abit after release to see more content out of it. Because so far Its not winning me over especially since I wish they just focus more on fleshing out megas and do more with region varients as well instead of just throwing in a dynamaxing something I find just all around underwhelming.

 

[OddEyes]

After seeing whats going on with sword and shield I probably wait abit after release to see more content out of it.

That's probably the best way to see this.

Even though I'm a fan of PKM, I don't buy day one. If anything, I just wait for the reviews and first impressions talking about it.

Honestly, this won't be any different for me, and it's something that people who keep saying "It's a bad game" because of the lack of the transferring. It's a longshot, but it's possible that the games can be really good... Like really good.

Still, seeing the track record after BW...

That was a test run off a new region with only new region Pokemon on your first play through (though they also fucked up and put the most legendaries ever and that thinned out the pool a bit).

Thinned out the pool a bit? 13 pokemon out of a 155 thinned out the pool a bit?

That's just 8 percent of the roster.

Even then, you couldn't get 3 of them, making it just over 6 percent.

Honestly, the only reason why Gen 5 is so looked down upon by fans, is because of that feature of the pokedex...

But it honestly makes me roll my eyes that people don't give credit to Gen 5 for all it did for the series too:
-) Triple Battles and Rotation Battles
-) Wild Double Battles
-) Seasons
-) Constantly Animated Sprites
-) Branching off that, the sprites actually moved differently if they had a status effect
-) The Battle Music being more dynamic and actually played along with the status of the battle
-) TMs HAVE INFINITE USES
-) HM moves don't require the Badge to be used.
-) DIFFICULTY

I know there's more, but I will never stop defending Gen 5... As far as I'm concerned, it offered a lot more than X and Y did.

 

[Samoyed]

Game Freak hasn't learned how to compress in over 20 years now

This is very true if you look at the recent games. X and Y had random assets floating in the out of bounds areas, and Gamefreak even duplicated some of the room models for mirror effects. When it comes to effeciency with game coding, Pokemon isn't one of them. It's insane.

 

[nonnewtonian]

-) Branching off that, the sprites actually moved differently if they had a status effect

I remember everyone losing their fucking minds at Pokemon closing their eyes when they fall asleep. What a time to be alive.

 

[Ilikeoreos]

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Australia.

Australia seems like it would be a no-brainer considering all the unique wildlife they have there. I'm pretty surprised that it took until Gen 7 for them to create a Koala pokemon considering how popular they are in Japan. And it would be cool to have the main legendary be encountered in a location based on Ayers Rock, especially if they tried to (tastefully) incorporate elements of Aboriginal mythology into it

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

Pokemon having a track-record for being sub-optimized and having rather strange design holes makes me question just how competently Sword and Shield is being handled.

From the game deleting it's own saves in X/Y, to the major online trading "crisis" back in Gen 4 where tons of hacked Pokemon were getting through the system virtually unapposed, to the 3D games having some of the worst framedrops on the 3DS, to all the way back in Gen 1 where half of the mechanics did not work, I have to wonder if Game Freak is taking a page from Valve and being strangely inept at actually putting a game together.

No this isn't me discreditng their work or saying they don't try. They clearly do. But I have to wonder how much I can take their word for it. Gen 2 infamously gained an entire region's worth of content when Iwata got his hands on it so I can only wonder.

 

[Nauseated Courgi]

To the 3D games having some of the worst framedrops on the 3DS, to all the way back in Gen 1 where half of the mechanics did not work

To be fair, for the poor framerate for the 3DS, that could be chalked up to them not being fully aware of how much that the hardware can handle on screen before it starts chugging. As, for half the mechanics not working in gen 1, they were just starting up as a company, we kinda have to cut them some slack there.

 

[OddEyes]

But I have to wonder how much I can take their word for it. Gen 2 infamously gained an entire region's worth of content when Iwata got his hands on it so I can only wonder.

That's nothing, you should see what some of the fan games are doing.

Like, take for example, Pokemon Rejuvenation. Story? Balls to the walls insane and is on the level of fanfiction, but the gameplay is where it's at. Still not done, but there are about... I wanna say 15 gym leaders in the game at this point, and there's a challenge mode for replays.

Oh, and the shinies don't suck. Snorlax looks like Totoro

Heck a lot of the shiny pokemon in that have actual effort in them.

Like, I know that this is is pretty impossible at this point in the official games, but hot damn, this is what Shiny pokemon should be like. And yes, they've done this FOR EVERY POKEMON known.

 

[AsbestosFlaygon]

To be fair, for the poor framerate for the 3DS, that could be chalked up to them not being fully aware of how much that hardware can handle on screen but it starts chugging. As, for half the mechanics not working in gen 1, they were just starting up as a company, we kinda have to cut them some slack there.

I don't know enough on gen one to comment on it, but I disagree on the 3DS games, it would be fair enough if it was just X & Y, but I believe that effects all the games on 3DS. Now I don't own any of them post X & Y but I do remember hearing about the frame drops, and doing a quick search I can confirm that's the case for at least Sun & Moon. Also I know that the Pokemon models for the 3DS are actually rather high poly, in fact it was speculated that they're as high poly as they are to future proof them for use on future consoles like the Switch. Regardless if that's true or not that tells me they should've lowered the poly count on them given all the frame rate issue those games have.

 

[X-Shaped Weeaboo]

That's nothing, you should see what some of the fan games are doing.

Like, take for example, Pokemon Rejuvenation. Story? Balls to the walls insane and is on the level of fanfiction, but the gameplay is where it's at. Still not done, but there are about... I wanna say 15 gym leaders in the game at this point, and there's a challenge mode for replays.

Oh, and the shinies don't suck. Snorlax looks like Totoro
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Like, I know that this is is pretty impossible at this point in the official games, but hot damn, this is what Shiny pokemon should be like. And yes, they've done this FOR EVERY POKEMON known.

I think I pee'd a little.

 

[Marissa Moira]

>design 56 gorillion tiny monsters
>fans wait years saying last two installments being bad was only because they were working real hard on the REAL sequel
>company comes out and says fuck you making games are hard and they're not fucking putting everyone in the next title
>it later comes out that EV training for transfers will be most likely fucked and essentially reset your guys to near zero anyways

I think this is it, Gamefreak is going to kill pokemon just like how bethesda killed fallout.