Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Registration]

I read through the PDF from 2021 going over the past structure of GF a little and how Masuda was kicked as director, and the part that made me stop the most was this slide.
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It's about their relationship with TPC, and it says that GF has a lot of independence to do whatever they want, but that also means they don't really work together or hear out requests. The particular point that draws my attention is that it says this means they often can't get development funds from TPC to make the games. They then say that because Legends Arceus was spearheaded by GF, they didn't receive any funds and almost had to pay the entire development costs themselves until talks where made with TPC at the last minute.

Is this why GF acts like they're a small, frugal company that can't afford anything? TPC and Nintendo suck up a big chunk of the revenue and then TPC refuses to work with GF on pooling money for development budgets?

Now this makes all the budget decision too much sense. It is intentional, they want GF fo fail. Because if they fail and let the game development up to air, they can sweep in via Nintendo or even outsourcing it to maximize their profits.

Lets say that GF fails so bad that they have to close down. This only means that GF failed and left a space void for others (Nintendo and TCP to sweep in and do what they want)

Now imagine if all pokemon designs were created as marketeable creatures out of the bat, who would profit more from this creative decision? TCP or GF? If you aim for the kid's market, with designs and games intended for children, you will get them now and in the future, because you already have the adults in your pocket, they are your costumers already.

Now lets say that TCP gets even more control than Nintendo themselves. Why limit their reach to Nintendo hardware when they can sell stuff for other platforms and games? What if you outsource game development and make less time to pass between generations since you can have two teams working at the same time?

This makes so much damn sense. TPC wins anyway with the failure of the games or their success. Because for them, funding would never be an issue, and at this current level, they could literally pump out a single game each year with enough dev teams.

This is corporate bullshit at its finest, the games aren't important at all, the brand is. Their profits aren't based on the games itself but the derived profits of other merchandise. Damn, now I understand why GF is so much in deep shit

 

[30+GameOvers]

Now this makes all the budget decision too much sense. It is intentional, they want GF fo fail. Because if they fail and let the game development up to air, they can sweep in via Nintendo or even outsourcing it to maximize their profits.

Lets say that GF fails so bad that they have to close down. This only means that GF failed and left a space void for others (Nintendo and TCP to sweep in and do what they want)

Now imagine if all pokemon designs were created as marketeable creatures out of the bat, who would profit more from this creative decision? TCP or GF? If you aim for the kid's market, with designs and games intended for children, you will get them now and in the future, because you already have the adults in your pocket, they are your costumers already.

Now lets say that TCP gets even more control than Nintendo themselves. Why limit their reach to Nintendo hardware when they can sell stuff for other platforms and games? What if you outsource game development and make less time to pass between generations since you can have two teams working at the same time?

This makes so much damn sense. TPC wins anyway with the failure of the games or their success. Because for them, funding would never be an issue, and at this current level, they could literally pump out a single game each year with enough dev teams.

This is corporate bullshit at its finest, the games aren't important at all, the brand is. Their profits aren't based on the games itself but the derived profits of other merchandise. Damn, now I understand why GF is so much in deep shit

TPC didn't force them to pull Dexit or cut Battle Frontier at gunpoint. This was their choice, if they really wanted to they could still implement these features. They are simply incompetent and trying to bite off more than they can chew, at this point TPC hiring another studio would be an improvement. Not an ounce of sympathy for them.

 

[Danann]

I read through the PDF from 2021 going over the past structure of GF a little and how Masuda was kicked as director, and the part that made me stop the most was this slide.
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It's about their relationship with TPC, and it says that GF has a lot of independence to do whatever they want, but that also means they don't really work together or hear out requests. The particular point that draws my attention is that it says this means they often can't get development funds from TPC to make the games. They then say that because Legends Arceus was spearheaded by GF, they didn't receive any funds and almost had to pay the entire development costs themselves until talks where made with TPC at the last minute.

Is this why GF acts like they're a small, frugal company that can't afford anything? TPC and Nintendo suck up a big chunk of the revenue and then TPC refuses to work with GF on pooling money for development budgets?

So all of those "We, GF, are small indie studio. Please understand" memes are actually true then... You know what, TPC is right. Game Freak weren't meant to be the eternal game dev studio but they only clamped on for so long because the team behind it are desperate to keep it from getting away from their hands.

 

[Not Xavier Ravenblood]

I really like this new pokemon game

 

[Registration]

TPC didn't force them to pull Dexit or cut Battle Frontier at gunpoint. This was their choice, if they really wanted to they could still implement these features. They are simply incompetent and trying to bite off more than they can chew, at this point TPC hiring another studio would be an improvement. Not an ounce of sympathy for them.

That is the only thing they still control: their games. As the games gets more complex, it gets harder to develop, even more when you also have to remember that you are working within Nintendo's hardware.

For example most DS games could easily work out without the touchscreen control but they needed to be used anyway.

It isn't like they develop their own engine with a specified hardware in mind and with each game they just build upon it like long running series on PC.

No one denies that GF is incompetent, these leaks shows us more and more (Galar had plans for more than genwun dynas), but for GF to know that they aren't going to be helped by TPC injecting more money in their projects and that they don't even to attempt to measure leverage with TPC (the card thing being attached to the game, what is valuable here isn't the game but the card itself, this really swings the profit mind to TPC instead of GF)

It may seem insane that GF denying more money/sales to their product when you don't factor that it would mean that another company born of your work would get more power by including the card. The same goes for the artwork made by other artist. The only thing that GF have is their games and the moment other parties start getting control in those too, what else do you have left to claim as your own? Legacy? The TPC gets more money out of a charizard card than releasing red in a switch 2 online shop anyway. Shit is fucked to them no matter what.

It is a similar way that Marvel is. Marvel Comics was the origin, but their ongoing slow death doesn't mean that the MCU died, and if the MCU dies, doesn't mean that the branch of Marvel that takes care of their games also died with them. And as you can imagine, all these branches aren't connected and communicate between each other directly, they must pass the command over Disney.

The situation here is that TPC wants to be the disney of the marvel different branches. They have all the money, but not the creative control over it, if GF is out and they got control over it, they can generate even more money. What are Pokemon GO and Pokemon TCG pocket? Products by GF or Nintendo? Of course not, those are by TPC products, they already tasted it, now imagine what they can do if they also get the game development part too.

 

[30+GameOvers]

That is the only thing they still control: their games. As the games gets more complex, it gets harder to develop, even more when you also have to remember that you are working within Nintendo's hardware.

So incompetence, then. This is their job, if they can't do it right, someone else more qualified should take their place. Like, say, one of the many modders who already make Pokemon content for free.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

I uploaded this dude's animations here, but he develops a more in-depth video about nature-based animations.

By the by, not only did takatacheroki2624 already mention that 'Impish' ould be grouped with 'Naughty' and 'Sassy', but Random McRandomface mentioned this:

I did a bit of research, and I deduced that Game Freak likely has ~173 3D animators. Some quick math later and, without having literally every 3D animator all work on this and keep some to do other kinds of animation, if around 136 of those animators each did 9 and a half Pokémon’s animations, that would be all it would take to do every single Pokémon. And that still leaves 37 animators to work on other stuff (and obviously animators will swap between working on nature animations and working on other stuff). Very doable!!

 

[Toxinophile]

Christ almighty, kid.

 

[Howling Janny Dog]

So incompetence, then. This is their job, if they can't do it right, someone else more qualified should take their place. Like, say, one of the many modders who already make Pokemon content for free.

In theory, TPC would hire people with more passion towards the series who would build upon what GF leaves behind and make a game that a wide range of fans would enjoy.

In reality, they'll hire similar types of the niggers who run TCG Pocket who manage to run good will down in the dust after a year of operations.

 

[anliteralidiot]

Lets say that GF fails so bad that they have to close down. This only means that GF failed and left a space void for others (Nintendo and TCP to sweep in and do what they want)

Creatures Inc...

 

[Archeops]

Creatures Inc...

Ew, I hate how they've been handling the TCG (in terms of gameplay set design, the current supply issues and the rise of investor/scalper culture are a TPCi/distributor problem) as of late.

 

[anliteralidiot]

Ew, I hate how they've been handling the TCG (in terms of gameplay set design, the current supply issues and the rise of investor/scalper culture are a TPCi/distributor problem) as of late.

They're still around? I remembered reading about something happening to them, and suddenly their name stopped showing up in the main games.

 

[Archeops]

Ugh, I just noticed a text from a friend asking me if I preordered Z-A yet and I have half-a-mind to just text him back saying that the leaks kind of ruined it for me.

They're still around? I remembered reading about something happening to them, and suddenly their name stopped showing up in the main games.

It was probably due to Ishihara stepping down as their CEO in 2023 and dropping the Inc. from their name earlier this year. They also operate Pokémon CG Studio, the division responsible for animating and modeling Pokémon for the main games.

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

I was wondering how long it would take and annoying it would be to go from Z to A, the whole "contest" they marketed the game on and it's namesake.
Well you don't, at V you just get skipped to F. What was the fucking point of calling it "Z-A" then?

 

[anliteralidiot]

Ugh, I just noticed a text from a friend asking me if I preordered Z-A yet and I have half-a-mind to just text him back saying that the leaks kind of ruined it for me.

It was probably due to Ishihara stepping down as their CEO in 2023 and dropping the Inc. from their name earlier this year. They also operate Pokémon CG Studio, the division responsible for animating and modeling Pokémon for the main games.

No, it was in the 2010s... I think after ORAS, before SM.

 

[30+GameOvers]

In theory, TPC would hire people with more passion towards the series who would build upon what GF leaves behind and make a game that a wide range of fans would enjoy.

In reality, they'll hire similar types of the niggers who run TCG Pocket who manage to run good will down in the dust after a year of operations.

You cannot get worse than Gamefreak at this point, even an AI generated pajeet outsourced game has a better chance of working at launch if SV is anything to go by

 

[Toxinophile]

I was wondering how long it would take and annoying it would be to go from Z to A, the whole "contest" they marketed the game on and it's namesake.
Well you don't, at V you just get skipped to F. What was the fucking point of calling it "Z-A" then?
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Plenty of Anons on /vp/ have been saying that they're saving rank Z-A for post-game. I don't mind it too much. I'm at the same point in the game as you are and I feel like I've had my fill of battle royale already. I just wanna skip to the Gym Leaders and finish the story.

 

[Abella]

Centro is a nigger, nobody cares

The funniest thing is seeing nitwits from instagram and facebook taking him as the gospel and saying shit like “that’s when the games started to suck” as if they’ve played anything past gen 3.

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

Plenty of Anons on /vp/ have been saying that they're saving rank Z-A for post-game. I don't mind it too much. I'm at the same point in the game as you are and I feel like I've had my fill of battle royale already. I just wanna skip to the Gym Leaders and finish the story.

Well yeah doing it 26 times would suck, but why not just start at F like a grading system, then go up to A and finish at Z? Japs love their S rank, make it Z cause they look similar.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

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>The game's content shifted from being focused on fun to being driven by PR
goddam, why is it that anytime a company is successful, departments that have no business touching ANYTHING relating to the success have to sneak in and ruin it for everyone? Pokemon doesn't need, and never needed, shit like focus groups to see what works and doesn't work to sell their games.

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