Pokémon (Not-So) Griefing Thread - Scarlet and Violet Released with 10 Million Copies in First 3 Days in Buggy States

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

Oh thank goodness. He's done.

It’s amazing how much shorter the pages are now that I’ve set him to Ignore.

I don’t mind autistic walls of text, but every post being one is baffling.

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

Could have fooled me with that passive-aggressive seething. All I did was call you a casual and it seems I am right, no need to menstruate about it.

Passive aggressive entails saying someone smells under your breath or putting the milk they keep in the company fridge on the break room counter right after they've gone back to work after their lunch break. I'm loudly saying you're a faggot nigger who doesn't understand three letter words, but insists on being insufferably pedantic.

 

[Archeops]

Wasn't Worlds 2020 originally planned to have been in London, with Sword and Shield's Galar region being based on the UK, but then COVID happened and pushed those plans back?

That's correct, COVID also prevented the event from being held in 2021.

The said pushing back also probably prevent a Spain event from happening with Scarlet and Violet's Paldea region being based on there

That's unfortunately wishful thinking on many peoples' part, hosting Worlds in Spain isn't ideal due to the country's strict gambling laws (they're part of the reason why Spain sees its tournament branded as SPEs rather than Regionals and ICs).

would they do an event outside of the US?

It's possible but unlikely, the big gotcha with London and Yokohama is that TPCi more than likely had help in hosting those events (with TPCi's European branch being located in the UK and their parent company being in Japan). If Worlds is hosted in a country without those safety nets than there's chance they'd end up like Vancouver's World Championships did. IIRC it was a bit messy despite being a stone's throw away from TPCi's main HQ in Washington: import taxes had to be paid on every piece of merchandise that was being given away or sold during the event and TPCi refused to get involved (outside of giving the perpetrators a slap on the wrist) in a big scandal that affected the TCG scene due to it taking place the morning after the event.

 

[Computer God Autism]

What are the most optimistic predictions for ZA? Actually being a decent followup to Arceus or disappointing enough to fans to cause real lashback against Gamefreak's inevitable laziness?

 

[Celebrate Nite]

or disappointing enough to fans to cause real lashback against Gamefreak's inevitable laziness?

This, minus the lashback

It will be a disappointment, but no one will care and will just buy the next game when it comes out because that's how the pattern has always been.

if S/V with its massive glitches to the point of offering refunds didn't do anything, this certainly won't

 

[starborn427614]

What are the most optimistic predictions for ZA? Actually being a decent followup to Arceus or disappointing enough to fans to cause real lashback against Gamefreak's inevitable laziness?

The lack of different areas beside the city is disappointing (even if they were barren by design in Arceus), so that's not exactly helping. Maybe there'll be a lot of sub-areas to make up for it? As for the other side of things, the Switch 2 Edition will help mitigate a lot of the technical issues and that's a big thing for me after Scarlet and Violet.

 

[X-avier cuck]

I think at the end of the day the biggest strength of Pokemon is that it offers escapism to people of all ages IMHO.

It's kind of like a classic Saturday morning cartoon for kids that effectively gives them a power fantasy where adults are basically useless, and they have the control of a bunch of nuclear powered monsters.
Adults basically view the series as a gateway back to simpler times before everything got so complicated and political.

I think there's a certain level of earnestness that Pokemon as a franchise has that almost feels like classic Disney which is why despite the weird Japanese corporate shogunism around the brand it's still highly engaged with.

What are the most optimistic predictions for ZA? Actually being a decent followup to Arceus or disappointing enough to fans to cause real lashback against Gamefreak's inevitable laziness?

I think that the game is going to definitely be similar to Legends where a lot of people are going to go into it not excited but be pleasantly surprised by it.

The people who probably were not a fan of the original Legends being predominantly catching will probably like za better because it is more battle focused and, and more normie types are probably going to get a kick out of how different the battle system is since now you have to relearn how things work for the first time ever.

 

[Scream Aim Fire]

Are any of the current (Switch) Pokemon games worth picking up these days? From what I've seen, Scarlet and Violent are pretty crap in general (still glitchy, and apparently infected with wokeshit and a rather fucked plotline), but what about Legends, Sword and Shield, Pokken Tournament, the Mystery Dungeon games, etc.? Any suggestions?

 

[Sad and Lonely Earthworm]

Are any of the current (Switch) Pokemon games worth picking up these days? From what I've seen, Scarlet and Violent are pretty crap in general (still glitchy, and apparently infected with wokeshit and a rather fucked plotline), but what about Legends, Sword and Shield, Pokken Tournament, the Mystery Dungeon games, etc.? Any suggestions?

Idk about Pokken or Mystery Dungeon, but the others aren't worth your time I'm afraid

 

[30+GameOvers]

Are any of the current (Switch) Pokemon games worth picking up these days? From what I've seen, Scarlet and Violent are pretty crap in general (still glitchy, and apparently infected with wokeshit and a rather fucked plotline), but what about Legends, Sword and Shield, Pokken Tournament, the Mystery Dungeon games, etc.? Any suggestions?

Only Arceus is worth playing. As I sad last page, triggering many a redditor, the other Switch games, all of them, are garbage and should be avoided at all costs, be it you're a fan(which doesn't seem to apply to this thread) or a casual. That's "real" games I am talking about here, spin offs like Pokken or Mystery Dungeon I can't speak for, altho I did hear good things about both of them.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

What are the most optimistic predictions for ZA? Actually being a decent followup to Arceus or disappointing enough to fans to cause real lashback against Gamefreak's inevitable laziness?

ZA will be an experiment on whether the Pokemon name is enough to guarantee sales. It hasn't been marketed well, it has practically no online presence, and what little you hear about it on social media is lukewarm to negative. Give me all the rainbows but this game may not sell well, at least overseas (Japan seems to like it from what I've heard).

Are any of the current (Switch) Pokemon games worth picking up these days? From what I've seen, Scarlet and Violent are pretty crap in general (still glitchy, and apparently infected with wokeshit and a rather fucked plotline), but what about Legends, Sword and Shield, Pokken Tournament, the Mystery Dungeon games, etc.? Any suggestions?

I've only played Legends Arceus and Mystery Dungeon DX, so I'll offer my thoughts on those:
Arceus is boring, the open world is barren with Pokemon haphazardly sprinkled in, and the controls are an actual struggle, I never managed to get used to them. If you played BotW/TotK, be prepared to sneak when you meant to run and run when you meant to sneak. Also, the environments look at home on the PS1, but that's a given unfortunately.

Mystery Dungeon is decent, it has a nice art style and it plays well (unless you've got joycon drift where it becomes unplayable), but I still prefer the original Rescue Team. There are some things the remake added that I like (the new recruitment gimmick, Megas, shinies, cross-gen evos added after gen 3, QoL features from other PMD games), but there are also plenty that I dislike (forced autosave, forced X-ray specs before the postgame, allies attacking twice at random even when the foe has no HP left, friend areas being reduced to a wallpaper).

Could have fooled me with that passive-aggressive seething.

As I sad last page, triggering many a redditor

be it you're a fan(which doesn't seem to apply to this thread)

lol

 

[30+GameOvers]

Give me all the rainbows but this game may not sell well, at least overseas (Japan seems to like it from what I've heard).

It will sell, these games always sell. This is why they're getting more and more barebones, I don't know why this is so hard to understand. You don't come back as a franchise when your most broken and barebones tech demo you offer gets you the most amount of money in franchise's history, all this does is teach the bigwigs that they need to offer less content for more money(and that will work, too).
Also, "lol" isn't a proper counter argument to anything I said, but at this point I think I have all but given up hope of having any real discussions in this thread. /vp/ unironically has better quality threads(and people who are actual fans, the definition of which still eludes some people in this thread).

 

[X-avier cuck]

Are any of the current (Switch) Pokemon games worth picking up these days? From what I've seen, Scarlet and Violent are pretty crap in general (still glitchy, and apparently infected with wokeshit and a rather fucked plotline), but what about Legends, Sword and Shield, Pokken Tournament, the Mystery Dungeon games, etc.? Any suggestions?

If you want my take, I would say Legends Arceus would probably be a smoother experience because it is incredibly unique and is a prequel to the upcoming ZA game.


@Squawking Macaw to be honest, I feel like Pokemon as a brand has proven that it could probably survive an apocalypse given all of the horrible things surrounding it that could have made people tune out but it still stands.

The Porygon incident, dexit, SV being the way that it is, etc.

Nintendo has inconsistent marketing but especially when it comes to Pokemon because they believe that the viewers need to experience the maximum of the games offerings through streaming so they can look at the engagement.

The Legends games are an even bigger departure from the average core game experience, so they probably don't know how to market it compared to what they usually go for.

There's a reason some people so consider Arceus to be a spin-off despite it being a main series game

 

[30+GameOvers]

There's a reason some people so consider Arceus to be a spin-off despite it being a main series game

This is such a pointless categorization. Gamecube games are considered spinoff titles, despite playing exactly like their handheld counterparts and even letting you trade Pokemon back and forth. You even get unique ribbons in that game that carry over to the modern games. But then you have Arceus, which despite changing how the game plays completely and adding in tons of Pokemon you wouldn't normally see up until this point, it is considered a proper mainline game. Makes no sense to me, I don't think that game even had online, just the single player.
The whole franchise is a mess, and frankly it's pointless to try and think too hard about any decisions made about these games. As you said, no matter what they will do, the brand will still print money. There is literally a Pokemon sleeping app and from what I can tell, it is doing just fine, so you don't even need gameplay of any kind anymore to get engagement. I think a better question is "will the fans(there is that word again) like it" and that's a huge distinction. I don't know, and I really don't care since I can already tell that game will be a shitshow. Casuals and probably people ITT will buy it anyways so it's a moot point, they also bought SV which was quite literally unplayable at launch(still is, to an extent) but they didn't care, they caught their Pikachu again, they soypogged about it, they felt those good, comfortable memberberries and that's all that mattered to them. They will do so again for ZA and then for the next game after that.

 

[Twin Addler]

This is such a pointless categorization. Gamecube games are considered spinoff titles, despite playing exactly like their handheld counterparts and even letting you trade Pokemon back and forth. You even get unique ribbons in that game that carry over to the modern games. But then you have Arceus, which despite changing how the game plays completely and adding in tons of Pokemon you wouldn't normally see up until this point, it is considered a proper mainline game. Makes no sense to me, I don't think that game even had online, just the single player.
The whole franchise is a mess, and frankly it's pointless to try and think too hard about any decisions made about these games. As you said, no matter what they will do, the brand will still print money. There is literally a Pokemon sleeping app and from what I can tell, it is doing just fine, so you don't even need gameplay of any kind anymore to get engagement. I think a better question is "will the fans(there is that word again) like it" and that's a huge distinction. I don't know, and I really don't care since I can already tell that game will be a shitshow. Casuals and probably people ITT will buy it anyways so it's a moot point, they also bought SV which was quite literally unplayable at launch(still is, to an extent) but they didn't care, they caught their Pikachu again, they soypogged about it, they felt those good, comfortable memberberries and that's all that mattered to them. They will do so again for ZA and then for the next game after that.

PLA has online with trading using Link Codes same way SwSh SV and LGPE do. Not that there's any point besides for fun since there's no exclusives and this game added the item that evolves Trade evos.

There's also Lost Satchels where if you die you lose your items but they're returned to you as soon as anyone else picks up your Lost Satchel where you died. Picking up other people's Lost Satchels gives you currency to buy items with and if you don't have Internet / NSO There's just random Lost Satchels everywhere owned by NPCs so you can still earn the currency.

 

[30+GameOvers]

PLA has online with trading using Link Codes same way SwSh SV and LGPE do. Not that there's any point besides for fun since there's no exclusives and this game added the item that evolves Trade evos.

Yeah, but there is no PVP battles, which is what I meant. You just have AI trainers or Pokemon. Obviously you can trade, there is HOME integration after all.

 

[McMitch]

As I sad last page, triggering many a redditor, the other Switch games, all of them, are garbage

You can tell calling him a Redditor really got under his skin. He also, intentionally or otherwise, no longer understands the very argument he was part of. Especially when he later reiterated almost my exact point:

You don't come back as a franchise when your most broken and barebones tech demo you offer gets you the most amount of money in franchise's history, all this does is teach the bigwigs that they need to offer less content for more money

With the caveat that that money is largely from people who foresaw the negative direction the series was headed.

 

[Squawking Macaw]

It will sell, these games always sell.

@Squawking Macaw to be honest, I feel like Pokemon as a brand has proven that it could probably survive an apocalypse given all of the horrible things surrounding it that could have made people tune out but it still stands.

The Porygon incident, dexit, SV being the way that it is, etc.

I should've said "may not sell well by main series standards", it will still be financially successful, but I doubt it'll reach the 15 million units of Legends Arceus.

@X-avier cuck all of the horrible things surrounding Pokemon are a plus, I'm pretty sure Dexit actually helped SwSh sales. There's no such thing as bad publicity and all that controversy was free marketing.

Also, "lol" isn't a proper counter argument to anything I said, but at this point I think I have all but given up hope of having any real discussions in this thread. /vp/ unironically has better quality threads(and people who are actual fans, the definition of which still eludes some people in this thread).

I was making fun of your passive-aggressiveness after you accused another user of doing the same thing. And what's there to argue about anyway? We already know your definition of fan is "anyone who plays the games the way I do".

 

[X-avier cuck]

I should've said "may not sell well by main series standards", it will still be financially successful, but I doubt it'll reach the 15 million units of Legends Arceus.

@X-avier cuck all of the horrible things surrounding Pokemon are a plus, I'm pretty sure Dexit actually helped SwSh sales. There's no such thing as bad publicity and all that controversy was free marketing.


I was making fun of your passive-aggressiveness after you accused another user of doing the same thing. And what's there to argue about anyway? We already know your definition of fan is "anyone who plays the games the way I do".

I think one of the big advantages that Za has is that it's going to be on the switch two which is more expensive compared to the regular one so I expected to sell around if not a bit more than the original Legends TBH.

I think people who may not have been a fan of the original are probably going to like this one more just because it's more battle focused

 

[Computer God Autism]

There's no such thing as bad publicity and all that controversy was free marketing.

I disagree, we have plenty of examples in the past few years. Concord, Morbius, most recently Civ 7...

SwSh would have sold well regardless because they were the first Pokemon games on the Switch.